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Luther Kincaid
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Posted - 2006.01.06 22:56:00 -
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It's funny how you watch Sci Fi films, play Sci Fi games like eve, and stare at the futuristic technologies thinking "how cool is that? I want one!"
well think about it.. how many of the technologies are available today, or just on the horizon? I came across this news article today, and it made me realise this might happen in my lifetime! wow!
http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=16902006
So warp drive might happen soon.. it's said that nuclear fusion will happen between the next 20-50 years.. lets see.. clones are looking like they'll be possible soon.. There's already missiles, railguns, lasers and projectile weapons.. electronic warfare.. afterburners..space stations.. hmmmmm.
/me gets the furry dice and sheepskin steering wheel cover ready for his first Chavberus :p
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2006.01.06 23:01:00 -
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would be nice but this is something they have been working on for many years and as the news item says its a "hypothetical device and a The theoretical engine"
One day mate. Not in our lifetime though.Tell your kids all about Star Trek though 
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Sixtyniner
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Posted - 2006.01.06 23:02:00 -
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Well, dont expect it too soon 
Would be cool if it actually was here one day.
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Jacques Archambault
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Posted - 2006.01.06 23:03:00 -
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Anyone like Projectile technology? Check this out: Metal storm.
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Luther Kincaid
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Posted - 2006.01.06 23:03:00 -
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hey, I did use the word "might"
anyway, life would be dull if you didn't have something to be optimistic and hopeful about :)
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2006.01.06 23:04:00 -
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o.O
Petiton for Advanced Individual Combat Weapon (AICW) Modules now!
http://phaze9.moonmanstudio.com/
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Vegeir
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Posted - 2006.01.06 23:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Jacques Archambault
Anyone like Projectile technology? Check this out: Metal storm.
Been watching them for years.
Originally by: Vegeir
Experience exists in EVE,
it just isn't measured in numbers.
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Gallell
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Posted - 2006.01.07 00:24:00 -
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I'm waiting for "accelerated learning by implants".
Theoretically feasible, but we're not really there yet :P
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Demangel
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Posted - 2006.01.07 00:43:00 -
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Not to sound pessemistic or anything, but almost every year there is another science report like this. Though I don't recall many with as much "official interest." involved.
One thing to keep in mind in all these discussions is that our actual level of technological capability is likely always a bit higher than is public or even private knowledge. Does this mean the US or some other government has a FTL engine collecting dust in some hanger somewhere? Well asside from little green men leaving them behind in shipwrecks or trading them for human slaves or something... It's doubtful but I suppose possible.
But rather than sound like some conspiracy nut (looks out the window for the men in black and sighs with relief), faced with what we do know in laymens terms about all this... I think it's safe to say that some new "breakthrough" often based on technology or theories developed decades ago is usualy just a pipe dream.
Five years ago, it was all about wormholes... how they would be the only way interstellar travel happening in reasonable time spans would happen (Ie not taking hundreds of years to get anywhere). Now we're once again going back to the interdimensional travel dealy... A rehashing of old ideas which is normal as our technology advances and we once again try to see if we have the capability to fit a once square peg into what was once a round hole... sometimes the peg gets rounded by the years and fits... sometimes the round hole gets distorted... and sometimes the peg is shrunk, or the hole enlarged so sometimes this aproach works.
In the case of this story, we have technology we didn't have before, that magnetic field generator thingy. something presumed to be a possible avenue of research.
But lets step back for a second and even assume we COULD get a working engine/ship setup working within the next five years (I don't even think the computer industry could make such a leap of advancement in that short a time, let alone a government funded researchproject), we as civilians wouldn't like reap any of the rewards asside from interesting articles in popular science in our lifetimes no... It would likely cost too much with very little initial return on investment for any of the big corporations in the world to consider, and if they did, the price per ticket would likely be something only ten people in the world could afford.
But I do think it could happen in our lifetimes... No not within 10-40 years nescessarily, but it would be foolish to assume there is no chance of a nanotechnical/genetic breakthrough in the next 10-40 years which would prolong human life. Retro viruses being used to stop aging by replacing the mutated genes caused by aging (cells being replicated billions of times, and bombarded constantly by various radiations, eventually develop flaws, which are part of the aging process, some of these mutations leed to disease, which IMHO is all aging is... A genetic disease... albeit I think a nescessary one).
A good book on this subject (indirectly) though in many ways a bit dated would be the mars trilogy (red mars, Green mars, Blue mars by Kim stanely robinson).
In the end I'm of the mind that the only things that are really impossible are the things we refuse to accept as possible... There is evidance in science which is hard to dispute that says the same thing. It just depends on how far down the rabit hole you want to go... to turn a phrase.
No the better argument is to say that it is not YET possible, given what we currently know, and are likely to know in the next five years... but the future is a potentialy limitless horizon...
100 years ago the very thing I am using this instant wasn't even a daydream in the mind of a madman... Yet our world relies on it in ever increasing ways. Space flight was the realm of the budding genre of science fiction.
In the next 100 years, given the last 100 years rate of advance, it's almost impossible to speculate on anything, beyond: "Maybe?"
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you
Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
Galaxion > Just a bit.
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Demangel
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Posted - 2006.01.07 00:49:00 -
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Ps all the "scientific" refferences I made above are from the point of view from an armchair hobbiest, and sci fi lover... not as an expert on much of anything beyond having an open mind, and an untrained understanding of philosophical reasoning. To me, to be the most objective, i need to always remmeber that I just don't know... Neither does captain PHD, nor mr "My real life beyond EVE is astrophysics".
In the end we're all just floundering around inside of our egos, and IMHO most "experts" are more interested at the end of the day in being right, rather than correct or possessors/dispensers of the truth. The same goes for me, as for anyone else :)
But I can and do dream... And this article makes for one happy dream indeed...
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you
Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
Galaxion > Just a bit.
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Raynaar
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Posted - 2006.01.07 01:30:00 -
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Good thing we've already figured out the windows 
Linkage
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Dakath
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Posted - 2006.01.07 01:33:00 -
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The computer that I am using right now has a bigger and better screen than the little bitty one that Captain Kirk used.
Buck Rodger's (1930's) "raygun" has nothing on my real-life armament.
But, where are my anti-gravity boots! 
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Derek Degenerante
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Posted - 2006.01.07 01:35:00 -
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Ahhh I m not crazy then
I had told a friend a year ago about reading that some scientist have theorized how to build a warp engine.He of course said Im nuts.Now I have my proof.He also didnt believe that we are making a trip to mars and thats come true.
Another thing I read 6 months ago but havent seen mentioned since is about a 10 yr old Indian girl that says she can build a transporter machine.The goverment is funding her in billions of dollars from the story i read.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.01.07 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Gallell
I'm waiting for "accelerated learning by implants".
Theoretically feasible, but we're not really there yet :P
Me, I need a few memory implants. Badly. 
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Mr M
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Posted - 2006.01.07 01:46:00 -
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It's an oldie, but I still think it's amazingly cool that IBM is researching quantum technology or why not atomic wires? Just think about the possibilities? Cheese just a couple of atoms thick, great when you're on a diet.
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Chade Malloy
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Posted - 2006.01.07 02:29:00 -
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Tss, that AICW looks suspiciously - or more or less EXACT like a short barrel version of the Steyr AUG, better known as the STG 77 with some uhm...STRANGE modifications.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as20-e.htm
The metalstorm tech isnt that new, afaik they have still problems reloading the units.
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Mudkest
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Posted - 2006.01.07 03:05:00 -
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"Also, if a large enough magnetic field was created, the craft would slip into a different dimension, where the speed of light is faster, allowing incredible speeds to be reached."
yeah, but what about g-forces? even IF speed of light travel is possible, and you can find a pilot and passengers that can handle 10g(wich is a lot) it will still take about 3*10^8/100=3000000 seconds, or 34 days of constant acceleration to reach it. dont know how many people can actually survive a month spend constantly in 10g though ...
and then theres the feeling that I made a HUGE error in there somewhere as well(apart from over simplification of values) 
-just an fyi. Albert Einstein was dyslexic, and I wouldnt be surprised if he coulnd't spell properly either ;) |
Batou Itkar
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Posted - 2006.01.07 03:31:00 -
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IMHO, this sounds very suspect as a method of warping space. So far, their explaination for it amounts to:
We're hoping that sometime in the future the electromagnetic force will be linked with the gravitational force, allowing our theorised design to work.
All our curent theories about electromagnetics and gravity point to this doing nothing more than attracting a large amount of spare change.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.07 03:36:00 -
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Warp theory is a reality but it requires gravity generators and the kind of energy you could only obtain from a black hole.
Sounds like they're trying to induce teh gravitational field using intense magntetism, which is something I've never heard of working. Ever. Seriously, have they even tested this theory or are they just grasping for funding?
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.01.07 03:38:00 -
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theoretical quantum physics has always been a major interest of mines since high school, so any possible research that is properly funded for "FTL" propulsion is greatly welcomed. :)
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Mudkest
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Posted - 2006.01.07 04:09:00 -
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I wonder how large/strong a field we are talking about here.
for starters, electroics are not very fond of (electro)magnetic fields. so how will the onboard computers handle such a field, and how will nearby ships react to it, and wht would be a safe distance for those other ships be :)
and compared to earth magnetic field, seeing earth isnt warping trough space, is a bigger/stronger field required? how will that affect our planet and its magnetic field(one theory about mars I've heard is that it once had an atmosphere like earth, but that the magnetic field around mars faded and as a result solar winds blew away the atmosphere. would suck if that happened here because the earth magnetic field got messed up by a warping ship)
guess no-one here has any awnsers to those questions, but still, I do wonder 
-just an fyi. Albert Einstein was dyslexic, and I wouldnt be surprised if he coulnd't spell properly either ;) |
Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.07 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mudkest
I wonder how large/strong a field we are talking about here.
for starters, electroics are not very fond of (electro)magnetic fields. so how will the onboard computers handle such a field, and how will nearby ships react to it, and wht would be a safe distance for those other ships be :)
and compared to earth magnetic field, seeing earth isnt warping trough space, is a bigger/stronger field required? how will that affect our planet and its magnetic field(one theory about mars I've heard is that it once had an atmosphere like earth, but that the magnetic field around mars faded and as a result solar winds blew away the atmosphere. would suck if that happened here because the earth magnetic field got messed up by a warping ship)
guess no-one here has any awnsers to those questions, but still, I do wonder
Apart from http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn28142this article[/url, I have yet to find any evidence in the slightest which would show that a magnetic field can alter gravity at all. And that article is not conclusive either. There is a certain leeway with the earth on this issue since the earth's crust is largely ferromagnetic and a strong enough magnetic field would change the shape of the earth, thus altering gravitic potential at a point on its surface. Not to mention that it would wreak havoc with the measurement instruments. It's simply not signficant enough a difference to be taken as evidence.
Also, in order to move at anywhere near the speed of light, the gravitational field required would be immense. Given that no significant gravitational deviation has ever been detected in extremely high tesla magnetic fields such as those used in fusion reactors or testing facilities, we can safely say that if intense magnetism can induce gravity in a vacuum as this *****pot theory suggests, the strength of the magnetic field required would be of several orders above what we can currently generate and what the human body can handle. It would tear your body apart. And for those that arn't convinced, search for pictures of frogs floating in magnetic fields. We are affected by magnets, but they have to be pretty strong to have a noticeable effect.
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Emmerich Steiner
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Posted - 2006.01.07 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Raynaar
Good thing we've already figured out the windows
Linkage
The slashdot folks made a big a deal about calling it alumina (oxidized aluminium) to squash the star trek fans out there :D:D But, most aluminum is actaully alumina (or encapsulated in alumina), that is unless you keep it in a oxygen free enviroment..
Alumina cans, Aicraft Alumina, etc.. bah it's aluminium :D
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Richard Villiers
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Posted - 2006.01.07 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: Richard Villiers on 07/01/2006 04:51:52
Originally by: Jacques Archambault
Anyone like Projectile technology? Check this out: Metal storm.
That ADWS looks a lot like the Heckler&Koch Grenade Machine Gun I've seen live. Very nice toy, though not handy for home-use...
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Originally by: Neon Genesis
This forum is about opinion, however, you are wrong.
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Emmerich Steiner
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Posted - 2006.01.07 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Chade Malloy
Tss, that AICW looks suspiciously - or more or less EXACT like a short barrel version of the Steyr AUG, better known as the STG 77 with some uhm...STRANGE modifications.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as20-e.htm
The metalstorm tech isnt that new, afaik they have still problems reloading the units.
Too bad the Steyr Aug doesn't have a ranging 40mm caseless grenade launcher, But I wouldn't be suprised if it is a liscensed revision of the Aug..
Metalstorm is actaully making there own version of the AICW which does officially use a liscensed revision of the styer aug.
Currently training: Original Sig / Rank 1 / SP: 254657 of 256000 |
Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.07 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Emmerich Steiner
Originally by: Raynaar
Good thing we've already figured out the windows
Linkage
The slashdot folks made a big a deal about calling it alumina (oxidized aluminium) to squash the star trek fans out there :D:D But, most aluminum is actaully alumina (or encapsulated in alumina), that is unless you keep it in a oxygen free enviroment..
Alumina cans, Aicraft Alumina, etc.. bah it's aluminium :D
Correct. Aluminium is pretty reactive stuff. It's actually a softish metal but it oxidises pretty quickly when exposed to normal air and a coating of aluminium oxide (the chemical name, by the way. Alumina is an americanisation) forms on it. Aluminium oxide is the tough stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a product out there you could spray on things to coat them in aluminium so that when it reacts with the air, it hardens to give you get a tough protective layer. And if there isn't, I should probably patent the idea.
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Emmerich Steiner
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Posted - 2006.01.07 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Correct. Aluminium is pretty reactive stuff. It's actually a softish metal but it oxidises pretty quickly when exposed to normal air and a coating of aluminium oxide (the chemical name, by the way. Alumina is an americanisation) forms on it. Aluminium oxide is the tough stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a product out there you could spray on things to coat them in aluminium so that when it reacts with the air, it hardens to give you get a tough protective layer. And if there isn't, I should probably patent the idea.
There is, the US navy uses it to cover out to sea repairs to ship hulls.. The aluminum spray is very resitant to salt water, whihc allows the patching to survive until it can get to a shipyard for real repairs. The compnay I work for uses something similar for coating the inside of our induction plasma reactor, everytime we shut it down to reduce plasma contamination.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.07 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Emmerich Steiner
Originally by: Nyphur
Correct. Aluminium is pretty reactive stuff. It's actually a softish metal but it oxidises pretty quickly when exposed to normal air and a coating of aluminium oxide (the chemical name, by the way. Alumina is an americanisation) forms on it. Aluminium oxide is the tough stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a product out there you could spray on things to coat them in aluminium so that when it reacts with the air, it hardens to give you get a tough protective layer. And if there isn't, I should probably patent the idea.
There is, the US navy uses it to cover out to sea repairs to ship hulls.. The aluminum spray is very resitant to salt water, whihc allows the patching to survive until it can get to a shipyard for real repairs. The compnay I work for uses something similar for coating the inside of our induction plasma reactor, everytime we shut it down to reduce plasma contamination.
There goes my millions ^^;
Guess I'll just invent the neural interface and make my millions that way.
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Malachi Nefzen
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Posted - 2006.01.07 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Luther Kincaid
So warp drive might happen soon.. it's said that nuclear fusion will happen between the next 20-50 years
where's my flying car?
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.07 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Luther Kincaid
So warp drive might happen soon.. it's said that nuclear fusion will happen between the next 20-50 years
I think you mean cold fusion. We already have fusion, although it requires a lot of energy to begin with. They're starting to get more energy out than they put in now.
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