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Puissant
Tempora Heroica
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Posted - 2013.09.04 23:53:00 -
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Why the change the Show info stats to align right for all values???
This not only looks awful but means large windows are now useless -- you have to scan from one end of the screen back to the other to see what matches up.
Stuff as simple "how much base cap does it take to activate" is no longer immediately obvious.
Someone please tell me I'm the only one seeing this and it's a localized bug. That this isn't another 'change for the better' that everyone, including new pilots, has to deal with. It's god awful to look at. Looking at stats on a POS tower makes me want to log out. |
Rengerel en Distel
1840
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Posted - 2013.09.04 23:58:00 -
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It was on the test server.
It was in the Dev Blog.
It was in the patch notes.
The time to complain about changes isn't usually after it hits the live server.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1344
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Posted - 2013.09.04 23:59:00 -
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Puissant wrote:
Someone please tell me I'm the only one seeing this and it's a localized bug.
You are, but it's not a bug.
You have made karkur angry. I don't know how, but now you are paying for it.
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Puissant
Tempora Heroica
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Posted - 2013.09.05 00:09:00 -
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No one can look at a two column excell spreadsheet and see variables on the left side of the screen, values on the far right and think that "Yeah.. this looks good." No one.
I can honestly say this is the game breaking mechanic that made me stop recommending EVE to my friends. For nearly 10 years I've encouraged people to give EVE a try. I wouldn't want new pilots seeing the GUI with show info as it currently stands -- it will send them screaming back to the MMO the pulled themselves out of.
*sigh* |
Jim Era
7506
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Posted - 2013.09.05 00:10:00 -
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I am more mad that I have so many new categories of skills in my skill queue,,,yet they left some of the categories alone and they are too general.
I mean if we're breaking up so much why not do it to everything |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1344
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Posted - 2013.09.05 00:11:00 -
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Puissant wrote:No one can look at a two column excell spreadsheet and see variables on the left side of the screen, values on the far right and think that "Yeah.. this looks good." No one.
Good thing this isn't an Excel spreadsheet.
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I can honestly say this is the game breaking mechanic that made me stop recommending EVE to my friends. For nearly 10 years I've encouraged people to give EVE a try. I wouldn't want new pilots seeing the GUI with show info as it currently stands -- it will send them screaming back to the MMO the pulled themselves out of.
*sigh*
Well...bye?
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
148
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Posted - 2013.09.05 00:14:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:It was on the test server.
It was in the Dev Blog.
It was in the patch notes.
The time to complain about changes isn't usually after it hits the live server.
While people tend to overreact to UI changes, I'm really tired of seeing this bullshit response.
Lots of people aren't inclined to provide Eve a free testing staff and they shouldn't be expected to. When software changes go into production is the expected time for customers to complain. |
Prince Sanguine
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Circle-Of-Two
45
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Posted - 2013.09.05 00:18:00 -
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Think of all the space for activities!
U w0t mate?! fight me IRL.! do you even lift?! |
Mac Munoz
Only One Corp
6
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Posted - 2013.09.05 00:22:00 -
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Puissant wrote:No one can look at a two column excell spreadsheet and see variables on the left side of the screen, values on the far right and think that "Yeah.. this looks good." No one.
I can honestly say this is the game breaking mechanic that made me stop recommending EVE to my friends. For nearly 10 years I've encouraged people to give EVE a try. I wouldn't want new pilots seeing the GUI with show info as it currently stands -- it will send them screaming back to the MMO the pulled themselves out of.
*sigh*
Something tells me if your friends won't play a game over a tiny UI element I wouldn't want to play with them anyway. |
Puissant
Tempora Heroica
8
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Posted - 2013.09.05 00:35:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Puissant wrote:No one can look at a two column excell spreadsheet and see variables on the left side of the screen, values on the far right and think that "Yeah.. this looks good." No one.
Good thing this isn't an Excel spreadsheet.
?? EVE is known as spreadsheets in space. Go troll another post, please.
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Puissant
Tempora Heroica
8
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Posted - 2013.09.05 00:50:00 -
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r-click -> Show Info, EVE Online.
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| Description | Attributes tab. | Prerequites |
EVE is GūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūź the best 4x MMO around.
EVE will never win a GūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūź "best looking game UI evah!" award.
This is GūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūź given.
These kind of changes make me think that the DEVs don't actually play the game they code. Btw - I originally tried spacing this out manually, but the DEV in charge of the forum code removes all of those nasty "extra spaces" to prevent the kind of formating I had to duplicate above.
I wonder why they would do that? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4288
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Posted - 2013.09.05 00:58:00 -
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Puissant wrote: That this isn't another 'change for the better' that everyone, including new pilots, has to deal with. It's god awful to look at. Looking at stats on a POS tower makes me want to log out.
Huh, I was thinking someone was different while looking up ships.
Hmm...
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Rengerel en Distel
1841
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Posted - 2013.09.05 01:22:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:It was on the test server.
It was in the Dev Blog.
It was in the patch notes.
The time to complain about changes isn't usually after it hits the live server. While people tend to overreact to UI changes, I'm really tired of seeing this bullshit response. Lots of people aren't inclined to provide Eve a free testing staff and they shouldn't be expected to. When software changes go into production is the expected time for customers to complain.
The changes went into production when they hit the test server, and you're right, that's when you should have complained. If you aren't inclined to help test out changes, you lose any high ground to complain about them.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
148
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Posted - 2013.09.05 01:45:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:The changes went into production when they hit the test server, and you're right, that's when you should have complained. If you aren't inclined to help test out changes, you lose any high ground to complain about them.
Confirming that the test server is really the production server and users have no right to comment on releases, herp derp |
Neo Hal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.09.05 01:52:00 -
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Puissant wrote:For nearly 10 years I've encouraged people to give EVE a try.
Your Likes received says 8. You've only received 8 likes in 10 years? That's less than 1 like per year.
Anyway, I find the new layout to be more readable.
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bloodknight2
Talledega Knights
PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
230
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:26:00 -
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I like the new attributes tab, but something i really, REALLY, *R-E-A-L-L-Y* hate about this game is how the DEV don't give a **** about customization like if they didn't care at all about their players. How hard is it to make a change to the UI, but let the players (you know...US) choose if they want the new change or keep the old one? How hard was it for CCP to let players choose to keep the undock button at the same old place instead of moving it and giving a finger to their players because, hey, that's our game and we don't give a **** about what you want? |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3861
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:47:00 -
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I bet your parents had sex before you even were born ! |
That Seems Legit
State War Academy
Caldari State
114
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Posted - 2013.09.05 02:49:00 -
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Neo Hal wrote:Puissant wrote:For nearly 10 years I've encouraged people to give EVE a try. Your Likes received says 8. You've only received 8 likes in 10 years? That's less than 1 like per year. Anyway, I find the new layout to be more readable.
likes havent been around, nor have these particular eve forums, for 10 years. I dont even think its 2. I dont remember but its not that old.
Also, I agree with the OP. Unlike the op though, I bitched about it before they made the change. Still bitching about it now. Its just plain dumb. With a big monitor its just plain silly.
Oh wait lemme just shrink my info window so I can match the numbers more efficiently, there we go. Come on ccp, what were you smoking?
Damns - you're ugly - and that's a compliment from me.
-Large Collidable Object
Seeking donations for facial reconstructive surgery, every little bit helps! |
culo duro
The Bootcamp
EveryoneVersusEveryone.com.
255
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Posted - 2013.09.05 08:05:00 -
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I too think it's worse than it was before. |
Chris Winter
Zephyr Corp
V.A.S.T.
221
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Posted - 2013.09.05 08:13:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:It was on the test server.
It was in the Dev Blog.
It was in the patch notes.
The time to complain about changes isn't usually after it hits the live server.
People DID complain about it when it was on the test server.
They got ignored. Not even acknowledged and dismissed. Completely ignored. |
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Cannibal Kane
My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse
Break-A-Wish Foundation
2338
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Posted - 2013.09.05 08:16:00 -
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Puissant wrote:r-click -> Show Info, EVE Online.
---------------------------------------------------------
| Description | Attributes | Prerequites |
EVE is GūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūź the best 4x MMO around.
EVE will never win a GūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūź "best looking game UI evah!" award.
This is GūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūź given.
These kind of changes make me think that the DEVs don't actually play the game they code. Btw - I originally tried spacing this out manually, but the DEV in charge of the forum code removes all of those nasty "extra spaces" to prevent the kind of formating I had to duplicate above.
I wonder why they would do that?
haha.. had to laugh at that since it is spot on.
The complaints were ignored... it is a pretty terrible change though if you really want to be honest.
However like most things humans are thank fully adaptable... even if it is terrible.
"I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -įHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -įHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -įIt was truly majestic. -įAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-įBecause I am like that." --įNEONOVUS |
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2013.09.05 08:25:00 -
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What is the actual reason for the change? Were there people complaining that they get nauseas from the left hand aligned graphics?
I disagree |
Lucretia DeWinter
Star Frontiers
Dirt Nap Squad.
43
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Posted - 2013.09.05 08:50:00 -
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Hey!!! Team Pony Express! Yeah, you...
Whilst I can appreciate the spirit behind this change in making things a bit more uniform and more readable than before, the execution and end result has not turned out as desired.
...................................................................................................Now reading things is
...........................................................................................................more difficult and requires
.................................................................................................................more focus shifting,
which induces eye strain.
And it looks bad.
Like seriously bad.
Like I'd be ashamed to call myself a UI Designer
if that abomination was within 5000 light years
of work I had any input on.
With the forced right justify that things seem to have, it makes windows look like they were added by a person with no concept of visual ergonomics or artistry.
Please do consider revising or reversing this change. the individual cells look better and are more legible, but the alignment, scalability and column spacings just make it look weird and hard to read.
-Öp¦„pu¦„dsns u¦„¦„q s+É+Ń dno+¦¦ā +¦¦„-ē-ē¦„q llGźĒ ¦āu-¦+Ń-ē-Ä+¦¦„-ī¦Ä ¦„-P+ÉW oGčŃ s¦„¦āu+É+Ń-+ sno-Äo++ ¦„-P+ÉW o+ŃM suos+¦¦„+Ē -Älpo¦ā ¦„+Ń-ē +o d-¦+Ńs+¦¦„q+»¦„+» ¦„-ī-¦-ē+ö¦„llo+ö +¦no-Ä -ē+É+Ń-ē ¦„+ö-¦-ēou ¦„-ī+¦¦„s -Äq¦„+¦¦„+Ń -ēsn+» I '-Älp+ÉS
(and that's what it feels like to read one Show Info window now. Please re-read this post 500 times to simulate an EVE game session. You may want to have somebody whack you with a tea tray when you're not expecting it and mug you for all you Kronas and hakarl for authenticity.) |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
545
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Posted - 2013.09.05 10:10:00 -
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Puissant wrote:No one can look at a two column excell spreadsheet and see variables on the left side of the screen, values on the far right and think that "Yeah.. this looks good." No one.
I can honestly say this is the game breaking mechanic that made me stop recommending EVE to my friends. For nearly 10 years I've encouraged people to give EVE a try. I wouldn't want new pilots seeing the GUI with show info as it currently stands -- it will send them screaming back to the MMO the pulled themselves out of.
*sigh*
So... you can't just make the window smaller? You have to have a full screen window for your show info panel?
I don't think it's gamebreaking that you can't read from left to right, not to mention there's key information of the fields value that differentiate them. "Meta Level" is unlikely to be "20%" for example.
I like the new windows, When you compact them down, they look much nicer.
The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Praetor Meles
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
145
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Posted - 2013.09.05 10:43:00 -
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Puissant wrote:I can honestly say this is the game breaking mechanic
Your stuff. I can have?
[insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*
* delete as required to make your point |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2306
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:04:00 -
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...what.
look left, see variable, look right, see value. Where's the problem? Why is this even a problem?
I mean, I'm not entirely sure why it was felt to be a necessary part of the patch, but are people genuinely angry about this, or are you all just absconding with the urine?
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
892
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:19:00 -
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I'm not usually one to complain about UI stuff (been around too long I guess) because normally people get used to it and then end up shuddering at the thought of reverting to the ways of the good ole days. Who in their right mind would want the old font back (ok, ok - not the old old font, the one we had before the current one)?
In this case, though - +1 for the OP. The actual info in the show info windows is too far away from their variables to be readily recognizable. Fix pl0x. Not even asking for a reversion, just an improvement. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
657
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:41:00 -
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Puissant wrote:I can honestly say this is the game breaking mechanic.
Alignment of a single data column is a game breaking mechanic to you?  Ha ha ha that's fresh! |
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
88
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:54:00 -
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Puissant wrote:r-click -> Show Info, EVE Online.
---------------------------------------------------------
| Description | Attributes | Prerequites |
EVE is GūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūź the best 4x MMO around.
EVE will never win a GūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūź "best looking game UI evah!" award.
This is GūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūźGūź given.
These kind of changes make me think that the DEVs don't actually play the game they code. Btw - I originally tried spacing this out manually, but the DEV in charge of the forum code removes all of those nasty "extra spaces" to prevent the kind of formating I had to duplicate above.
I wonder why they would do that?
your example is spot on IMO
i can see why people do that, it's a sound idea, but in this case, it did not work,
now matter how i format the window, it's harder to read then it was before
Return varied color to Gallente ships! not everything looks good in DARK GREEN! |
Trudeaux Margaret
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Art of War Alliance
138
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:03:00 -
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wat? I like the new layout a lot. I had difficulties reading the old one; but even so, I hardly considered that fact a "game-breaking mechanic". "OMG, I tried EVE Online and it was incredible in every way except for the game-breaking way that attributes were laid out in the Show Info panel! It was game-breaking, I tell you! Every time I tried to read an attribute, the game crashed!"
Such drama, OP. Such drama.
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