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Seolfor
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.08 09:23:00 -
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Right then.
The Nighthawk, clearly, despite contrary feedback, CCP Fozzie and others thought it balanced. Kindly inform me how and where this Command Ship is 'balanced' or 'fine'.
As a PvP Combat Ship: [A] Point range kiting with HMLs - Not fast enough - Not Agile enough - Anemic DPS, especially when not shooting Kinetic - The 5th low can be used for a Nanofiber, Hooray!
[B] Scram range brawling with HAMs - With ASBs the tank is Cyclone grade, sure, v/s Hybrid damage its far better than T1, but still relatively subpar staying power - What would CCP envision the 5th low to be used for? Nanofiber? - Compared to any other Command Ship, the brawl tank and buffer is inferior.
As a PvE ship: - Cant use HAMs since there is no range bonus - With HMLs, the DPS and Tank (on paper AND effective due to cruiser hull size/speed) is worse than a Cerberus or Tengu i.e. either side of price bracket PRE-1.1. The market realizes this and now the Cerb is selling for 10-15% higher than a Nighthawk.
--- 'Constructively' then, the options for CCP:
- Needs more speed, agility - the most obvious is take the 5th low and make it a Mid i.e. Drake layout - Alternatively, make the bonus not tied to Kinetic and give larger drone bay (but then thats not 'Caldari' flavor)
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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
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Posted - 2013.09.08 09:55:00 -
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I'm not big on Caldari ships, but a wicked passive shield tank + two utility highs seems like it'd have decent PVE applications.
Also not really sure I'm seeing the divide between it and the Claymore. |
Dyvim Slorm
Dronetech Prime
155
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Posted - 2013.09.08 10:20:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:I'm not big on Caldari ships, but a wicked passive shield tank + two utility highs seems like it'd have decent PVE applications.
Also not really sure I'm seeing the divide between it and the Claymore.
Nighthawk always had a good tank, losing the sixth launcher was a big mistake though as it killed the dps. I sold mine pretty quickly as it's not much use now.
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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
153
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Posted - 2013.09.08 10:40:00 -
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Dyvim Slorm wrote:S Byerley wrote:I'm not big on Caldari ships, but a wicked passive shield tank + two utility highs seems like it'd have decent PVE applications.
Also not really sure I'm seeing the divide between it and the Claymore. Nighthawk always had a good tank, losing the sixth launcher was a big mistake though as it killed the dps. I sold mine pretty quickly as it's not much use now.
Think it only lost ~2.8% DPS? The effective launchers come out virtually the same - a recurring theme across the board. |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.08 10:46:00 -
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You seem to be a Nighthawk BPO owner. Not selling them fast enough? My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
Make reasonable choices. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.09.08 10:54:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:Dyvim Slorm wrote:S Byerley wrote:I'm not big on Caldari ships, but a wicked passive shield tank + two utility highs seems like it'd have decent PVE applications.
Also not really sure I'm seeing the divide between it and the Claymore. Nighthawk always had a good tank, losing the sixth launcher was a big mistake though as it killed the dps. I sold mine pretty quickly as it's not much use now. Think it only lost ~2.8% DPS? The effective launchers come out virtually the same - a recurring theme across the board. It was 6 turrets, +25% kinetic damage, -25% cycle time = 10 base launchers worth of damage output. Now, it's 5 turrets, +37.5% kinetic damage, -37.5% cycle time = 11 base launchers worth of damage output.
Without the kinetic bonus, it was (6/0.75=) 8 launchers before, compared to (5/0.625=) 8 nowGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
153
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Posted - 2013.09.08 11:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:It was 6 turrets, +25% kinetic damage, -25% cycle time = 10 base launchers worth of damage output. Now, it's 5 turrets, +37.5% kinetic damage, -37.5% cycle time = 11 base launchers worth of damage output.
Good call; eyeballed it too quickly.
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Demolishar
United Aggression
903
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Posted - 2013.09.08 11:11:00 -
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Inb4 F&I |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
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Posted - 2013.09.08 12:31:00 -
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I'm just envisioning the Eos and Astarte cruising past the now-homeless Nighthawk in a brand new cadillac and flipping the bird. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.09.08 12:33:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:I'm just envisioning the Eos and Astarte cruising past the now-homeless Nighthawk in a brand new cadillac and flipping the bird. They've earned it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1910
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Posted - 2013.09.08 15:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:ElQuirko wrote:I'm just envisioning the Eos and Astarte cruising past the now-homeless Nighthawk in a brand new cadillac and flipping the bird. They've earned it. Agreed, they were the underdogs for far too long. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.09.08 16:11:00 -
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What did Jonathan Frakes do to deserve this disparagement of his name ??? |
Berendas
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.09.08 17:16:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:I'm just envisioning the Eos and Astarte cruising past the now-homeless Nighthawk in a brand new cadillac and flipping the bird.
Dude, nice jacket, stylish undershirt too. |
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ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.09.08 19:46:00 -
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This thread has been locked as it is duplicate topic to the Odessy 1.1 Update feedback thread. Odessy 1.1 Command Ships Thread. Please re-post your input there. ISD Gallifreyan Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCL) Interstellar Services Department |
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