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Sansh Leko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.08 18:35:00 -
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Hello players.
I started new account yesterday and I chosed mining career in Eve.
I found in evelopedia advanced mining tutorial, what ships is recommended, what skills to improve first and very very usefull for new player like me.
I finished 2 tutorials, Aura, and mining agent.
Notice that I played 2 trial accounts in last 2 years, and now I want to start serious play here.
I allready completed much more agents in that 2 last trial accounts, military, business etc, and even allmost completed some arc
missions with catalyst ship but couldnt proceed because trail was over and I didnt have time to play and continue.
So, I know some stuff about agents, skills, etc. Not much.
What I want to ask experienced players is.
If I want to solo mine, long time, should I start right after completing miner agent, collecting ore and buff my player with miner skills and eventually go for Retriever and so on?
Or should I go and complete other agents missions and that storyline arc missions?
I am not interested in other types of playing, like battleships, corps, warfare etc.
Maybe science and exploration eventually but later in game.
I am now with my venture mining and collecting ore, following this tutorial: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Advanced_mining
Please, any advice and suggestion in further mining carrer, long term would help so that I can set that goal and go for it.
Thank you all in advance. |
Dave Stark
3611
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Posted - 2013.09.08 19:00:00 -
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mining is horrible isk/hour but yeah, get a retriever; it only takes a week to have the skills to fly one.
also half of that wiki page is out of date, and incorrect. |
Saleani Tsolyani
Bey Su
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Posted - 2013.09.08 19:55:00 -
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If you really like mining, you might want to do mining missions. I find that they're relaxing and that I can get 1k isk/LP out of the loyalty point stores from them also. ISK per hour isn't that great, but I was also doing it for the standings in order to get level 4 R&D agents and to be able to put up a POS.
http://eve-agents.com/
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReportsMining |
Death Reign
EntroPrelatial Industria
DARKNESS.
7
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Posted - 2013.09.08 20:18:00 -
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I am going to give you some advice. If you are getting into mining to further a goal like for example working your way into production/building an industrial empire for yourself or corp. Having the ability to mine up what you need is great.
If its purely to fund your gameplay, like PVP/Ship replacement there are easier ways to do it.
For example:
1 Orca and 5 Hulk Miners = 100,000,000 isk per hour.
1 Noctis Salvaging behind my corpmates plex's they cant be bothered to loot. 91 Million in 20 minutes.
I think you see what I am getting at. Now, if you need the ore anyways, thats fine. I mine to fuel production which amplifies things beyond simply mining and selling the ore. It makes me enough to plex all my accounts and further my goals. But make no mistake, I am not what you would call space rich. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.09.09 00:26:00 -
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If you're solo mining, I'd recommend mining missions as mentioned above.
Otherwise, mining solo is absolutely horrible ISK/hr (still pretty bad mining with full boosts and a hauler)... but the good part is it's largely afk- especially if you're using a retriever in mining missions. Target a rock, shoot it for a while- watch a movie in the mean time. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
203
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Posted - 2013.09.09 02:44:00 -
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Death Reign wrote:
1 Orca and 5 Hulk Miners = 100,000,000 isk per hour.
I'm guessing you're talking about nullsec? |
Death Reign
EntroPrelatial Industria
DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2013.09.09 02:48:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Death Reign wrote:
1 Orca and 5 Hulk Miners = 100,000,000 isk per hour.
I'm guessing you're talking about nullsec?
Yes, Was mostly using it to illustrate the point. If isk is what you are after there are better ways than mining to work towards. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
203
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Posted - 2013.09.09 03:00:00 -
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Death Reign wrote:IIshira wrote:Death Reign wrote:
1 Orca and 5 Hulk Miners = 100,000,000 isk per hour.
I'm guessing you're talking about nullsec? Yes, Was mostly using it to illustrate the point. If isk is what you are after there are better ways than mining to work towards.
I'll agree with that. It seems mining makes very little ISK compared to ratting or mission running. In highsec it's even less then when you factor in gankers it doesn't seem worth it. I spent months training one of my pilots to fly a Hulk but I've probably piloted one for 30 hours. I think I've spent more time ganking miners than mining LOL |
Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production
Headshot Gaming
21
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Posted - 2013.09.09 05:31:00 -
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Just remember that ISK is not everything.
Its a game and you are meant to have fun. If you really like mining and aspire to running you own massive mining fleets then good on you. Don't let all of the ISK per hour people get you down.
That being said mining can get really boring really fast (as does most PVE activities), unless you are watching a movie or doing something else. So dont lock yourself into doing one thing and dont be afraid to try new things.
PS join "RVB ganked" channel and come and pew pew, EVE really is about PVP and its about as non committal you can get, as long as you can fly a frigate and use the most basic guns ect (maybe 12 hours of training) you will have a spot. Then you will have a reason to make the isk. |
Death Reign
EntroPrelatial Industria
DARKNESS.
8
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Posted - 2013.09.09 07:35:00 -
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Andrew Indy wrote:Just remember that ISK is not everything.
Its a game and you are meant to have fun. If you really like mining and aspire to running you own massive mining fleets then good on you. Don't let all of the ISK per hour people get you down.
That being said mining can get really boring really fast (as does most PVE activities), unless you are watching a movie or doing something else. So dont lock yourself into doing one thing and dont be afraid to try new things.
PS join "RVB ganked" channel and come and pew pew, EVE really is about PVP and its about as non committal you can get, as long as you can fly a frigate and use the most basic guns ect (maybe 12 hours of training) you will have a spot. Then you will have a reason to make the isk.
I don't mean to be harping on isk/h. I just wanted to make sure he knew that he shouldn't be getting into it for that because mining isn't where you'll find it. There are a lot of valid reasons to mine. Trust me I do A LOT of it.
The mistake I see alot of people making is thinking that mining is easy money. When in truth it's boring work for **** pay, unless you need the minerals for something your working on, its not really the way to go. |
elise densi
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Posted - 2013.09.09 11:30:00 -
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mining is a good choice for new ppl comimng to eve its a nice and eazy isk gaining thing to do and alot of corps out thare are mining corps aswell but later on in game when i wanna start plexing and if using 1 account mining wont be enough .. |
Rengerel en Distel
1871
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Posted - 2013.09.09 14:46:00 -
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elise densi wrote:mining is a good choice for new ppl comimng to eve its a nice and eazy isk gaining thing to do and alot of corps out thare are mining corps aswell but later on in game when i wanna start plexing and if using 1 account mining wont be enough ..
You need 20M isk/day to plex an account. That's an hour or two of mining in a retriever per day. If someone enjoys the relaxed gameplay of mining while chatting with corp mates or general channels, it can easily work to plex an account.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Sansh Leko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.09 18:54:00 -
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Hello players
I will consider everyones suggestions and advices in these coming weeks, really gratefull for all of them, thank you.
I even received invitations for joining miner corp I think, thank you also for invitation, I will think about that also and reply to you 
Now I am running first military rookie missions because I will need some beginner skills and ships for some of them that I came across in level 1 mining.
So, yea I decided to go mining agents for now to collect status and influence for lvl 2 etc agents.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
610
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Posted - 2013.09.09 19:00:00 -
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Run ALL of the career agents, not just the mining and millitary. Good ISK, free ships. |
Dave Stark
3621
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Posted - 2013.09.09 19:41:00 -
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Sansh Leko wrote:I even received invitations for joining miner corp I think,
-ú5 says reverse-safari. |
Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
71
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:02:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Sansh Leko wrote:I even received invitations for joining miner corp I think, -ú5 says reverse-safari.
*giggle....
I've done some really stupid **** in this game. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
Solar Assault Fleet
619
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Posted - 2013.09.10 22:19:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Run ALL of the career agents, not just the mining and millitary. Good ISK, free ships.
This is a good advice regardless of which way you think you will enjoy EvE.
Good ISK, free ships, free skill books and a tiny taste of some alternatives that are out there.
And if you intend to stay solo in an mmo environment then you will be dabbling with several different jobs.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil.
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Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production
Headshot Gaming
24
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Posted - 2013.09.11 03:08:00 -
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Sansh Leko wrote:Hello players I even received invitations for joining miner corp I think, thank you also for invitation, I will think about that also and reply to you
Just check taxes rates and the amount if isk per unit vs market prices to market sure they don't take to much advantage of you.
PS corps make eve a lot more fun if you get a good one.
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Twylla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.09.13 07:31:00 -
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My suggestion:
Take it slow, beef up your supporting skills before you 'go big'. This is true of mining as well as combat.
If you are fresh out of the airlock, I reiterate: TAKE IT SLOW.
There is severe temptation to train forty new skills to level 1-2 because they're so fast. Train what you need to fit out that Venture, and stick with those skills until they are maxed. Don't put it off or you will have entire months where you can't do anything new because you've got nothing but level 5 skills staring you in the face standing in the way of something you really want/need.
The part of the game that makes players hate life is that last level 5 stretch. Get the basics done and over with as early as possible.
Second, join a corp with similar interests. You can usually get a much older characters (like me) to refine your wares for you for free, saving you a lot of training time early on. They may even buy your ore straight off without refining.
Remember. Focus, focus, focus. If you lose focus, you lose efficacy. There's more to a miner than just the hull and lasers.
lastly: Core Competancy. The certificate path has a lot of skills I STRONGLY recommend completely training, as they're useful for every ship you will ever fly ever.
~Retired: Weapons R&D technician, arms manufacturer, weapons dealer, wormhole project manager, fleet pilot, capital ship pilot, alliance leader~
I've done everything. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN! |
Sansh Leko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.14 18:06:00 -
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Ty Twylla for that super-duper post, I will need to read all that couple of times to understand all of it 
I am still in Venture with miner 2, doing mining missions for CreoDron and gaining LP and reputation, atm I am on lvl 3 agent, in the meantime skilling to the Retriever, 5-6 days to go.
About corporations, I did mentioned that I like to play solo, maybe one day I will apply, but for now I like as it is.
Did find my native language channel, and guys do help alot in info also.
About certificates, I did saw that message when i finished training one skill for Retriever, it poped in my screen, will check abt them also. |
Sonoros Rahl
Active Fusion
Cold Fusion.
0
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Posted - 2013.09.16 21:18:00 -
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Finding a good corp was the best thing i did, loads of help, hints, free stuff to get u going.... invaluable |
Vexed Nova
FDA Shipwrights
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Posted - 2013.09.17 20:48:00 -
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Define: Solo-mining.
Is that like using 4 or 5 alts- 1 Orca, 1 freighter and 2 or 3 hulks?
I don't know what solo mining is
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving was not for you.
Check out the Industrialist, a monthy industrial news letter.
September 2013 Issue:-á
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Death Reign
EntroPrelatial Industria
DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2013.09.18 21:59:00 -
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Vexed Nova wrote:Define: Solo-mining.
Is that like using 4 or 5 alts- 1 Orca, 1 freighter and 2 or 3 hulks?
I don't know what solo mining is
That would be rediculously inefficient. You need at least 4 Hulks and an Orca pilot to make that worth doing. Otherwise just put your 4th pilot in another Hulk. Now An Orca, a Freighter, and 5 Hulks. Or even 10 Hulks. Thats a 1 Man mining op. |
Vexed Nova
FDA Shipwrights
23
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Posted - 2013.09.18 22:40:00 -
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Death Reign wrote:
That would be rediculously inefficient. You need at least 4 Hulks and an Orca pilot to make that worth doing. Otherwise just put your 4th pilot in another Hulk. Now An Orca, a Freighter, and 5 Hulks. Or even 10 Hulks. Thats a 1 Man mining op.
Damn, of course you are right. I was thinking maybe he doesn't have a system that can run half a dozen EVE clients for solo mining
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving was not for you.
Check out the Industrialist, a monthy industrial news letter.
September 2013 Issue:-á
http://bit.ly/17ucH9D/ |
Sansh Leko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.19 12:56:00 -
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Mining alone, and watching lasers do the job is really annoying, so I joined Public Mining Fleet for boost and hanging around with people.
It is a great idea, and I recommend to other new players also, I cant invite others.
To get there in Amarr i needed 19 jumps, and man it was nice ride untill some guy in Incursus targeted me in my venture.
Followed me for 6 jumps, but venture is a fast little one so I made there in one peace this time.
It was really fun for a beginner like me to experience some "action", 2bad I didnt checked who was him, cuz I was like Waaaarp please all the time xD...
1 day untill retriever 
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Sansh Leko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.09.28 17:02:00 -
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Man, lost my first ship today.
I had retty 8 days, but yesterday I started a little on ice mining.
Fitted barge with max yield, then after 3 hours of mining first attempt from catalyst pilot was fail and he got Concorded.
Lucky me as I am not afk miner so I noticed him in time.
But this one today was using bumping tactic, 4-5 sec before I warped out so I lost retty and the pod.
I believe he had a friend in mackinaw, cuz that mackinaw was following me like 4k meter above me so he jumped
with catalyst right on top of me.
Aligning to station was not enough, I should orbit the ice but its 2late now.
Retriever not for me any more, yes I did purchased another but will not use him. Going for procurer and tank him max as I can.
Not going to make it simple for gankers, I hate afk/bots in games also, but I am not one just because I mine.
And yea, giving ISK to someone who have utopia in his mind so that I can mine in peace, not going to happen.
That guys are doing their part, and they are spicing the game for miners . Dont akf, ok but I will not pay you for that.
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Death Reign
EntroPrelatial Industria
DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:59:00 -
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Sansh Leko wrote:Man, lost my first ship today. I had retty 8 days, but yesterday I started a little on ice mining. Fitted barge with max yield, then after 3 hours of mining first attempt from catalyst pilot was fail and he got Concorded. Lucky me as I am not afk miner so I noticed him in time. But this one today was using bumping tactic, 4-5 sec before I warped out so I lost retty and the pod. I believe he had a friend in mackinaw, cuz that mackinaw was following me like 4k meter above me so he jumped with catalyst right on top of me. Aligning to station was not enough, I should orbit the ice but its 2late now. Retriever not for me any more, yes I did purchased another but will not use him. Going for procurer and tank him max as I can. Not going to make it simple for gankers, I hate afk/bots in games also, but I am not one just because I mine. And yea, giving ISK to someone who have utopia in his mind so that I can mine in peace, not going to happen. That guys are doing their part, and they are spicing the game for miners . Dont akf, ok but I will not pay you for that.
This is why I mine and otherwise operate in null sec. I actually see attempted ganks less. Partly due to traffic and eve more so due to intel knowing they are coming 5+ jumps out. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
111
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Posted - 2013.09.29 18:50:00 -
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elise densi wrote:mining is a good choice for new ppl comimng to eve its a nice and eazy isk gaining thing to do and alot of corps out thare are mining corps aswell but later on in game when i wanna start plexing and if using 1 account mining wont be enough ..
mining is a horrible choice for new players.
It is horrible isk even for new players.
It is very dull.
It lets you know about virtually no game mechanics.
All the miners are afk so no real community either.
Many new players think that they can't get into pvp /FW /exploration /wh's until much later in the game and they are very wrong, If people want to mine sure idc but telling people it is a good entry to eve is poor advice.
Also most HS corps are poorly run with little to no social life and you might as well be playing a single player game.
OP if you want to mine then you will want to run some mining missions as people have mentioned because at some point you will want to reprocess your ore and u will want a npc corp that doesn't charge you tax for this. Other than that their are some good sites you can google for basic mining stuff.
Mining with boosts from other players is much much better than solo mining if you must do it. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
50
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Posted - 2013.09.30 17:49:00 -
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There are far too many pilots mining nowadays especially since the ice field changes. I would advise choosing another career/s but it is up to you. |
Sansh Leko
ZEN Sience and Heavy Industry Inc.
Circle-Of-Two
3
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:04:00 -
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As u all can see, I moved down under to -0.0 and joined with people who is really helpfull and most important to me I met them in my language channel and I know them.
Mining ice again but, a little better ice and with a nice boost all day.
Whole new way of living in null, but I will get familiar with it eventually.
Mining in hi-sec after loss of first ship was turning me in paranoid freak with d-scan refreshing all the time.
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