Love the Vindi kill.

i have to say i'm a bit confused.

you claim you want to establish yourself as a respected Merc Alliance
(at least thats what i'm getting from your post).

You also say that you are looking for a contract, which sort of implies you don't have one,
meaning that right now you should be proving how good and useful you can be by war deccing
some PvP outfits, showing that you can handle yourself against those.

Looking at your Killboard and your current War records, you however seem to have decided to do the exact opposite, wardeccing mostly industrial or pve corps, and shooting mostly on ships that are not fit for fight.

Why would you give yourselves an image of Mercs that cant handle themselves?

This alliance is formed from a number of corporations that recently left Whores in Space.

It is my understanding that they left whores in space because they weren't satisfied with being part of a "mercenary" alliance that actively avoids engaging anything that can offer meaningful resistance and being told that they shouldn't fight people who're trying to shoot at them.

After they left whores in space but while we at Break-A-Wish foundation were still at war with them they formed up a sizable fleet with a coherent fleet doctrine, came down to where we live and fought us despite our fleet being significantly superior and them having more than ample opportunity to back out without taking a single loss.

Unlike some folks in the mercenary community whose idea of satisfying a contract consists of them taking your money and then camping Jita in tornadoes just like they were doing anyway these guys will probably actually fight your enemies for you where and when you want them fought.

Good luck with your new thing guys. We need less Whores and Marmite in highsec and more people who're capable of leaving trade hub undocks and working with their clients to complete contracts in a way that is actually satisfactory.

This alliance is formed from a number of corporations that recently left Whores in Space.

It is my understanding that they left whores in space because they weren't satisfied with being part of a "mercenary" alliance that actively avoids engaging anything that can offer meaningful resistance and being told that they shouldn't fight people who're trying to shoot at them.

After they left whores in space but while we at Break-A-Wish foundation were still at war with them they formed up a sizable fleet with a coherent fleet doctrine, came down to where we live and fought us despite our fleet being significantly superior and them having more than ample opportunity to back out without taking a single loss.

Unlike some folks in the mercenary community whose idea of satisfying a contract consists of them taking your money and then camping Jita in tornadoes just like they were doing anyway these guys will probably actually fight your enemies for you where and when you want them fought.

Good luck with your new thing guys. We need less Whores and Marmite in highsec and more people who're capable of leaving trade hub undocks and working with their clients to complete contracts in a way that is actually satisfactory.

Anyone that comes to our home system knowing what we can undock and stays to fight has my respect... Good luck guys and i highly recommend....

We all know you dont shave Starr

Keep up the good work....

id actually like to see that

Can you guys maybe not dec corps already at war?

ooii.. Why are you guys interfering in my 1 man war against another 1 man corp?

Must have been a random assist, didnt recognise the name at all. We tend to assist so we have more targets that shoot back flying around.

:) Finally!!!

<3 Star & Scandor

How did these guys get Break-A-Wish Foundation to endorse them?

I like the story about how they came to Break-A-Wish Foundation's home system to fight them, even though they were out-classed and could have escaped - but they kept fighting. Awesome tale! It's probably not true, however, because there are no losses associated with such an action. Forsaken Asylum didn't lose anything there, EVER, and, while Break-A-Wish guys do occasionally lose ships in their home system - they didn't take any losses there against Forsaken Asylum. Of course, they might have had an agreement to fight only to hull, I guess, but that kind of ruins the entire thing . It isn't gutsy to throw ammo at someone who isn't going to take down your ship.

But even if they did that - take on a bigger, badder fleet and decline opportunities to escape with light losses - does that say anything good about them? Seems to me, that's a really stupid thing to do.

Forsaken Asylum's killboard tells a different story. They're pipe campers and trade hub campers - just like the Whores in Space they used to be. Hatakani, Sivala, Uedama, Jita, Perimeter, Amarr, Dodixie - some kills up in the Minmatar pipe. They sit on a gate and just wait for one of their war targets to come through in something big enough to catch -- I've seen Sovereign Infinity slide through in frigates more than once. Another of their targets uses shuttles to travel the pipe - so far they haven't had any losses to these guys - even though they are mining and missioning in their own system every day.

The only thing these guys have going for them is numbers - they can field a pretty nice fleet when they want. But that fleet sat on the Dodixie undock for half an hour while their targets sat in station and laughed at them in local. 21 ships against 6 targets and they seemed to expect their targets to fight. Sorry guys, but that isn't the way to get fights - go back to camping the gates and hoping one of yo

I saw these guys fly through Tsuguwa earlier in a 30 man T3 fleet with some other various things. Nearly poop'd myself

Nice fleet though boyz

Also hired them over the last week and was more than impressed with the service they offered and the result

They came to assistance when asked

+1 for a great merc alliance with leadership that has time to talk and listen to its clients

Oh, yes, troll some more!!

Okay, first I didn't look at Red Dawn Mercenaries board for the losses against Break-A-Wish because Break-A-Wish wasn't endorsing Red Dawn Mercenaries (they were endorsing the entirety of the alliance - which you probably couldn't actually join until the wars where Whores was the aggressor ended - so my bad there.)

But as for the fight against Break-A-Wish, my point still stands. Going up against a superior fleet is a pretty stupid thing to do - especially if you're trying to build up a mercenary rep. So you lost 3 battlecruisers for no good reason except that you were spoiling for a fight.

The station camp I watched in Dodixie was another sign of ***** behavior, though, bringing an immense fleet and complaining that your targets aren't fighting. I guess, they aren't of the same meld as someone who happily takes 3 losses just so they can say they attacked Break-A-Wish. Why didn't you guys just show up in 6 ships for Mastercard (there were 6 of them in system)? Without a fleet on any of the gates? Can't do the fair fight thing, I guess. Or, hey, you went up against a superior fleet against Break-A-Wish - why not show up in even lower numbers than your opponent?

Oh, and if Sovereign Infinity is such a poor target, why do you keep spending money on keeping them decced? From what I understand from reading their forum thread, they don't care about killing you since you decced them (and are therefore not one of their real targets.) They're still getting kills on both sides of your pipe camp so I don't think you're even affecting their ability to carry out their contracts. And the only kills you're getting against them are from their Training corp and only a single ship/pod to show for at least 2 weeks of war. I guess you must have a contract against them, because otherwise it's showing a lack of good isk management.

Sovereign infinity are under perma Dec at request of a client , sure they get kills but a hell of a lot less than if they where not decced , as for engaging break a wish in a superior fleet do you think just because the odds are against you that you should tuck tail and run every time? Or do you fight and do the best you can?

Oh, yes, troll some more!!

Okay, first I didn't look at Red Dawn Mercenaries board for the losses against Break-A-Wish because Break-A-Wish wasn't endorsing Red Dawn Mercenaries (they were endorsing the entirety of the alliance - which you probably couldn't actually join until the wars where Whores was the aggressor ended - so my bad there.)

But as for the fight against Break-A-Wish, my point still stands. Going up against a superior fleet is a pretty stupid thing to do - especially if you're trying to build up a mercenary rep. So you lost 3 battlecruisers for no good reason except that you were spoiling for a fight.

The station camp I watched in Dodixie was another sign of ***** behavior, though, bringing an immense fleet and complaining that your targets aren't fighting. I guess, they aren't of the same meld as someone who happily takes 3 losses just so they can say they attacked Break-A-Wish. Why didn't you guys just show up in 6 ships for Mastercard (there were 6 of them in system)? Without a fleet on any of the gates? Can't do the fair fight thing, I guess. Or, hey, you went up against a superior fleet against Break-A-Wish - why not show up in even lower numbers than your opponent?

Oh, and if Sovereign Infinity is such a poor target, why do you keep spending money on keeping them decced? From what I understand from reading their forum thread, they don't care about killing you since you decced them (and are therefore not one of their real targets.) They're still getting kills on both sides of your pipe camp so I don't think you're even affecting their ability to carry out their contracts. And the only kills you're getting against them are from their Training corp and only a single ship/pod to show for at least 2 weeks of war. I guess you must have a contract against them, because otherwise it's showing a lack of good isk management.

Oh, yes, troll some more!!

Okay, first I didn't look at Red Dawn Mercenaries board for the losses against Break-A-Wish because Break-A-Wish wasn't endorsing Red Dawn Mercenaries (they were endorsing the entirety of the alliance - which you probably couldn't actually join until the wars where Whores was the aggressor ended - so my bad there.)

But as for the fight against Break-A-Wish, my point still stands. Going up against a superior fleet is a pretty stupid thing to do - especially if you're trying to build up a mercenary rep. So you lost 3 battlecruisers for no good reason except that you were spoiling for a fight.

The station camp I watched in Dodixie was another sign of ***** behavior, though, bringing an immense fleet and complaining that your targets aren't fighting. I guess, they aren't of the same meld as someone who happily takes 3 losses just so they can say they attacked Break-A-Wish. Why didn't you guys just show up in 6 ships for Mastercard (there were 6 of them in system)? Without a fleet on any of the gates? Can't do the fair fight thing, I guess. Or, hey, you went up against a superior fleet against Break-A-Wish - why not show up in even lower numbers than your opponent?

Oh, and if Sovereign Infinity is such a poor target, why do you keep spending money on keeping them decced? From what I understand from reading their forum thread, they don't care about killing you since you decced them (and are therefore not one of their real targets.) They're still getting kills on both sides of your pipe camp so I don't think you're even affecting their ability to carry out their contracts. And the only kills you're getting against them are from their Training corp and only a single ship/pod to show for at least 2 weeks of war. I guess you must have a contract against them, because otherwise it's showing a lack of good isk management.

As for Dodixie Mastercard have srsly tanked ships and you do actually need a fleet that big to crack some of there (sic) tanks

Jove Death said

This is precious. You come with 21 ships because Mastercard have srsly tanked ships and you need a fleet that big to crack them? No you don't - you only need to keep them in the fight long enough to crack their tank. And if you have 21 ships, you aren't going to see a chance of that fight.

OK you totally lost me there when did I come with a 21 ship fleet?. the most ive travelled in to dod was about 10.

Anyway not going to continue to derail this thread.

Have fun out there

And this IS my main, though I do appreciate the compliment that I might be a Mastercard or Sovereign alt because I mention them. But I could also be on here talking about The Marmite Collective, The Devil's Warrior Alliance (who does get kills on Break-A-Wish) , Pandemic Legion, General Tso's Alliance or any of a dozen others with whom I have relationships. Your obsession with Sovereign Infinity is why I bring them into it and the Dodixie thing because I was there watching it all.

Jove Death said

This is precious. You come with 21 ships because Mastercard have srsly tanked ships and you need a fleet that big to crack them? No you don't - you only need to keep them in the fight long enough to crack their tank. And if you have 21 ships, you aren't going to see a chance of that fight.

You can't really camp the Dodixie gate in Botane and expect no one to notice. I saw at least 2 reports of your fleet sitting there before you came in. Surely, you don't think that you could bait Mastercard into firing on you so you could warp in your massive fleet and kill them in the 1 minute to de-aggress and dock. They know the game and they knew where your fleet was waiting.

It is clear that you don't really want fights - at least not with Mastercard - you want kills. Sad that Mastercard doesn't rate the same as Break-A-Wish and that you wouldn't bring something they would actually fight. Tell me, have you even had a real 'fight' since the Break-A-Wish thing, or have you merely blobbed everyone? Active memberships don't need to go out in 1 fleet (or hang around the gates in the pipe) they could go on roams of half a dozen each - cover more of EVE with your presence that way too. And you'd get more fights (though probably also more losses and fewer kills - but isn't it the fight you want - isn't that why you left the Whores In Space?)

By the way, Break-A-Wish doesn't undock to fights they can't win for the most part. That's how they maintain a 70:1 success ratio on Battleclinic. So they knew they could take you guys down without losses before they engaged.

And this IS my main, though I do appreciate the compliment that I might be a Mastercard or Sovereign alt because I mention them. But I could also be on here talking about The Marmite Collective, The Devil's Warrior Alliance (who does get kills on Break-A-Wish) , Pandemic Legion, General Tso's Alliance or any of a dozen others with whom I have relationships. Your obsession with Sovereign Infinity is why I bring them into it and the Dodixie thing because I was there watching it all.

So what is your obsession with Sovereign Infinity?

Right, you were hired and a client wants us under dec forever.

You know, if we had a client that was getting so little for their money, we'd advise them it wasn't worth the isk. But I guess you guys don't think enough of your clients to make such recommendations.

I've also figured out why you guys are so enamored with EVE-Kill instead of Battleclinic. EVE-Kill doesn't punish you for the blobs you like to use. You kill this much isk and don't lose any so you get the full accounting. But Battleclinic looks at WHAT you're using for those kills. It has set values and the points are shared among all of those participating. So 3 frigates vs. a battlecruiser is a really good kill, but 3 (or 20) battlecruisers against a cruiser gets you almost nothing. So Battle BV (the top corp in Sovereign Infinity) is ranked at a little over 500 while Red Dawn Mercenaries are down past 3000 in rank. Shoot, our training corp ranks higher than that, and it's younger as well.

EVE-Kill also punishes those who are not dps dealers. Logi doesn't get anything on either board, but tackle and ewar get a full share of points on Battleclinic.

And, no, you're aren't affecting us very much. We travel where we want, when we want, chasing our war targets wherever they happen to go. And, btw, those kills we get with the frigates we fly through the pipe make our Battleclinic stats look really good.

By the way, Break-A-Wish doesn't undock to fights they can't win for the most part.

That's how they maintain a 70:1 success ratio on Battleclinic.

By the way, Break-A-Wish doesn't undock to fights they can't win for the most part.

Jove Death said

This is precious. You come with 21 ships because Mastercard have srsly tanked ships and you need a fleet that big to crack them? No you don't - you only need to keep them in the fight long enough to crack their tank. And if you have 21 ships, you aren't going to see a chance of that fight.

You can't really camp the Dodixie gate in Botane and expect no one to notice. I saw at least 2 reports of your fleet sitting there before you came in. Surely, you don't think that you could bait Mastercard into firing on you so you could warp in your massive fleet and kill them in the 1 minute to de-aggress and dock. They know the game and they knew where your fleet was waiting.

It is clear that you don't really want fights - at least not with Mastercard - you want kills. Sad that Mastercard doesn't rate the same as Break-A-Wish and that you wouldn't bring something they would actually fight. Tell me, have you even had a real 'fight' since the Break-A-Wish thing, or have you merely blobbed everyone? Active memberships don't need to go out in 1 fleet (or hang around the gates in the pipe) they could go on roams of half a dozen each - cover more of EVE with your presence that way too. And you'd get more fights (though probably also more losses and fewer kills - but isn't it the fight you want - isn't that why you left the Whores In Space?)

By the way, Break-A-Wish doesn't undock to fights they can't win for the most part. That's how they maintain a 70:1 success ratio on Battleclinic. So they knew they could take you guys down without losses before they engaged.

And this IS my main, though I do appreciate the compliment that I might be a Mastercard or Sovereign alt because I mention them. But I could also be on here talking about The Marmite Collective, The Devil's Warrior Alliance (who does get kills on Break-A-Wish) , Pandemic Legion, General Tso's Alliance or any of a dozen others with whom I have relationships. Your obsession with Sovereign Infinity is why I bring them into it and the Dodixie thing because I was there watching it all.

Who's upset?

But it is really awesome that you figured out I was a female player. And GemFireStorm is too - I think. She used to be in my corp after all, and I was the one who told her what was going on in this thread (we girls talk to each other - lol.)

Or maybe I'm just acting like what I think a female player would do because I have a female toon.

This is just too funny.

BTW, I've noticed that Forsaken Asylum has taken up another Whores in Space aspect - they've decced half (figurative) of EVE.

Who's upset?

But it is really awesome that you figured out I was a female player. And GemFireStorm is too - I think. She used to be in my corp after all, and I was the one who told her what was going on in this thread (we girls talk to each other - lol.)

Or maybe I'm just acting like what I think a female player would do because I have a female toon.

This is just too funny.

BTW, I've noticed that Forsaken Asylum has taken up another Whores in Space aspect - they've decced half (figurative) of EVE.

They seem genuinely upset

Maybe its because they are female players?

Also - http://kraze.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19888592 // http://kraze.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19888586 Sov Infinity not as safe as they would like in frigates, just saying RollBlink

Oh, look, Forsaken Asylum managed to kill another one of Sovereign Infinity's trainees! Your "client" must be very proud of you.

Oh, look, Forsaken Asylum managed to kill another one of Sovereign Infinity's trainees! Your "client" must be very proud of you.

So shouldn't you guys be making up for it, and doing some guerilla warfare and killing FA?

the fact most contracts are against industrial corps is because industry corps generally have problems with other industry corps... for non pvpers they are a vicious lot.

There is just nothing that feeds the ego - and a sense of true importance...

So, see what we do there?

I don't know the motivation behind FA being hired to impede you operations, but maybe, just maybe, it's from someone who want to help you, for, in fact, your own good?

There's nothing so good as a game that make one feel well with oneself.

Think about it.

We Are To Disrupt!

I think the fact we moved a 100+ man alliance entirely to another system in the space of a few hours is a very impressive thing to do...

Dont flatter yourself too much, one we take quite a disliking to your corporations "trolling" which feeds this move slightly, but the main reason is as a test to prove to me and my leadership that we are capable of upping sticks and getting on a deployment at the drop of a hat, which we can!

So I guess what you can say is this move makes us all happy, glad we could be of assistance

As to the trolling, you guys started it by trying to hijack our thread back when you were only an ally into one of our wars. Therefore, when you decced us shortly afterward (and kept up the dec) I thought to return the favor and hijack yours.

So, your potential clients get to read about how you take a few hours to ignore your 129 other wars (current clients as well - maybe they're wondering why you're not out killing the targets they hired you to chase) in order to disrupt a little 40 member alliance that you recently lost a ship to (and that you aren't actually disrupting) that turns the war report the other direction, countering all the trainee kills you've gotten. Butthurt over the loss?

Also, the next time you want to move, there are these things called freighters in the game that can take your stuff from one station to another. Quicker, easier, and for the few jumps involved, the price is quite reasonable even if you use Red Frog (or have you decced them already and gotten on their blacklist).

So, your potential clients get to read about how you take a few hours to ignore your 129 other wars (current clients as well - maybe they're wondering why you're not out killing the targets they hired you to chase) in order to disrupt a little 40 member alliance

Another BUMP!

Just checked Forsaken's War History and they've been ending wars one after another! Can anyone say "overextended?" LOL

And many of those after only 1 day and a big ZERO kills.

So if you want a merc alliance to back quickly out of a war you paid them to pursue, by all means - hire these guys! I guess they need to concentrate all of that massive firepower on the 58 that are left. Or maybe, they need to concentrate on Sovereign Infinity so that we'll quit posting in their forum thread?

Guess you really aren't Whores in Space 2.0 - they could handle 130 wars.

Another BUMP!

Just checked Forsaken's War History and they've been ending wars one after another! Can anyone say "overextended?" LOL

And many of those after only 1 day and a big ZERO kills.

So if you want a merc alliance to back quickly out of a war you paid them to pursue, by all means - hire these guys! I guess they need to concentrate all of that massive firepower on the 58 that are left. Or maybe, they need to concentrate on Sovereign Infinity so that we'll quit posting in their forum thread?

Guess you really aren't Whores in Space 2.0 - they could handle 130 wars.

Open letter to Soverign Infinity:

Quite frankly, I believe some people on both sides of this war have taken the trolling too far now, to the point it isnt healthy for either entity publically. We originally took on this contract with our client specifically stating "troll them and stop their operations".

This started off quite frankly, as quite a laugh. However, as previously stated it is no longer funny and has gone too far.

To this end, I will let the war end on the next bill date (probably this weekend I believe). I have refunded the remainder of the ISK to the contractor and explained the reasons behind why I am morally not going to continue this war anymore, they are happy with this and may well contract someone else.

We are not high sec griefers or trollers, and this isnt funny anymore.

At the end of the day Sov Inf - no hard feelings from my side.

Good luck in your future endevours.

Ethan Argoin
Alliance Executor
Forsaken Asylum

You know you pay more for happy endings

Next thing you know Vegas will openly apologize to Tora. Right?

Me thinks Forsaken is dropping their pvp targets so they can take on a bigger war machine without distraction.

Zeus i heard you already moved some alts into a larger war machine of the russian sort? :)

Free bump for a decent alliance with good pvp prowess!

Lets give it to VegasMirage, in the realms of Making Grown men Cry, he is great amongst the many. I tip my hat to him.

Bump for FA, we peel it back for you!

fixed that for ya