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Sinari Galdrin
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Posted - 2006.01.10 09:16:00 -
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If R.A.M BPOs are going to become available, so T2 producers don't need mission runners, could we please have T2 item drops from missions, so mission runners don't need producers?
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander - why should big industrialists get everything their own way???
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Feyd Darkholme
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Posted - 2006.01.10 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sinari Galdrin If R.A.M BPOs are going to become available, so T2 producers don't need mission runners, could we please have T2 item drops from missions, so mission runners don't need producers?
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander - why should big industrialists get everything their own way???
I'm not sure what the real root of the problem people are having is with this. If anything being able to produce their own RAM and Rbds will help to foster more competition and lower T2 prices, at least a little. They also haven't said that RAMs will stop being offered as agent rewards, so you can still get them, sell them and/or use them. I'm an agent runner too, but I don't rely at all on RAM rewards for income in any way. Agent Runners make ISK from running missions, from the rewards, bounties and loot. T2 producers make their ISK from producing T2 items and selling them to other players. I don't see a problem... I could speculate as to the real root issue, but I won't. ---------------
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imblocked
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Posted - 2006.01.10 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: imblocked on 10/01/2006 10:25:03 sigh, ram from agent bonus become as worthless than the 8 bantam i just earnt...
Time to use the recycle window again. ______________________________________________________
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Ravenal
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Posted - 2006.01.10 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sinari Galdrin If R.A.M BPOs are going to become available, so T2 producers don't need mission runners, could we please have T2 item drops from missions, so mission runners don't need producers?
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander - why should big industrialists get everything their own way???
no, agent missions should be a source for faction items (and implants) while T2 production is only moon mining and production line
. -Fate is what you make of it. -Make your own fate using T2 items produced by The Fated
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2006.01.10 10:57:00 -
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well then we need more basic faction items dropping from missions and some of the smaller factinal items being offered from 3000 LP upwards.
As it stands implants are it on most offers - they lack diversity
Non combat missions dont offer bounties etc they offer ISK and usually ISK or some item. Now they are nerfed. Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw. |
ophiuchus3000
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:06:00 -
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With the details on SISI stating that the RAM units take 6 hours per run, I thnk mission runners will have their place. After all its 4 RAM modules per 24 hours, which is equal to a Assault Frigate.
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Macro Slasher
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:06:00 -
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They should really start dropping also t2 ships as mission bonuses and such. Assault frigs, covops, ...
Carebears are taking over
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Thecle Vifargent
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:15:00 -
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Anyway, agent offer to build inty and cover ops as LP offer exists.
Ok the price is ridiculous, since it cost all the item to built it with a bpc + the loyalty points.
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Spartac0
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: imblocked Edited by: imblocked on 10/01/2006 10:25:03 sigh, ram from agent bonus become as worthless than the 8 bantam i just earnt...
Time to use the recycle window again.
man i love your sig
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Cypherous
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: imblocked Edited by: imblocked on 10/01/2006 10:25:03 sigh, ram from agent bonus become as worthless than the 8 bantam i just earnt...
Time to use the recycle window again.
They don't really melt that well, the mining crystals are much better for that.
BTW great sig
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Sardau Kar
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:20:00 -
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Quote: sigh, ram from agent bonus become as worthless than the 8 bantam i just earnt...
lol @ at the sig xDD -Free Mr.Fu,freeedom!11 |
Sinari Galdrin
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cypherous They don't really melt that well, the mining crystals are much better for that.
Nope - you can't recycle mining crystals any more (probably a bug introduced in RMR, but I can't see a reference to it being fixed in this patch :( )
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imblocked
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:53:00 -
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Thanks for the sig :)
And yes, recycling dont even worth the action of pressing the "recycle" button... ______________________________________________________
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:44:00 -
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The more each paert of the game becomes dependent on another the better it becomes.
T2 production should in my opinion be reliant on firstly minerals to get the T1 unit, secondly on moon mining operations to get the T2 components and also on mission runners to get RAM.
The only problem initially was that RAM was repairable and thus the RAM prices dropped like a brick. Then CCP decided for some odd reason to remove the RAM as bonuses while doing missions wich initially was fine. Slowly the RAM's ran out however and if CCP had just reintroduced the RAM earlier as a bonus for doing non combat missions and doing missions in lowsec all would have solved itself.
As is now we just have an additional pure mineral price tag added with a time sink, nothing new, they could just as well have simply put in the RAM mineral prices in the T2 BP cost.
Another way they could have done it is to make RAM into moon a mineral thingie, initially I thought this was the way they would have solved it but they did not, just like with having it pure minerals however it changes nothing, tools I thought were suposed to be different from T2 components and T1 items, now they are not and as the prints are out there is no going back.
The one good thing and probably the main reason for the introduction is that this will allow the RAM levels to fast increase upp to cover the demand but it is sad to see such a good possibility go to waste.
All in all I think CCP did what they could and sadly didnt have enough time to do it the way they wanted, bad planning... I dont think so, more likely they got as suprised as some of the less prepared manufacturers as RAM fast ran out.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:47:00 -
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They should just remove agents! Then people wont complain that they are not getting free stuff. -------------------------- Qoute: The single reason I even decided to give this game a shot was because of reading a post by a n00b crying about being ganked and losing everything. I just had to try |
000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:58:00 -
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might be a bit cruel but i profitted from this change immediatly
Apparently a couple a people had forgotten to remove their buy orders for Starship ram's so i bought the bpo for 300k something then sold my existing rams for 500k a pop, just a pitty it takes aprox 30 min to produce a ram, or i would have made a fortune on the disfortune of others (aka filled the buy orders)
For their sakes i hope they remove or alter their buy orders asap or i will be happy to fill them in 2 days (when my firs 100 runs will be finished )
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Lufio II
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Harisdrop They should just remove agents! Then people wont complain that they are not getting free stuff.
Quoted for truth..., but maybe not removing the agents, just let them hand out only stuff that can't be produced via BPs anyway, like trade goods... or the classic ISK time bonus.
It's not even worth producing some sort of ammo because every agent runner that gets them as a mission bonus in vaste amounts will sell them far below production prices most of the time, just to be the cheapest on market and liquidize his stash... has it's good sides for the producers who have a good recycler at hand, tho
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sinari Galdrin If R.A.M BPOs are going to become available, so T2 producers don't need mission runners, could we please have T2 item drops from missions, so mission runners don't need producers?
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander - why should big industrialists get everything their own way???
Agreed
And when do we get BPOs for all the Trade Goods ??
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imblocked
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Harisdrop They should just remove agents! Then people wont complain that they are not getting free stuff.
Yes, and remove all T2 BPO so people wont make free billions profite because a lottery results.
Ho and think about removing all npc ingame, npc hunting in belt is free stuff and money.
What about removing asteroid, because mining is acquiring things for free ?
Period, think a little before posting and let us whine, producer did it enough about their "ho my god we will need more ram !". |
J Squared
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:13:00 -
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might be a bit cruel but i profitted from this change immediatly
Apparently a couple a people had forgotten to remove their buy orders for Starship ram's so i bought the bpo for 300k something then sold my existing rams for 500k a pop, just a pitty it takes aprox 30 min to produce a ram, or i would have made a fortune on the disfortune of others (aka filled the buy orders)
For their sakes i hope they remove or alter their buy orders asap or i will be happy to fill them in 2 days (when my firs 100 runs will be finished )
I'm with you there.. Everyone was all over the tractor beam bpo thing..(frankly demand for that was never very high... It's the Gravition skill required to use the thing that is the bottleneck)
But this is where the real cash was at. Made a little over 237 million filling these buy orders in the last few hours. Pays to read the patch notes and use your noodle a bit.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: Quanteeri on 10/01/2006 18:35:47
Originally by: Sinari Galdrin If R.A.M BPOs are going to become available, so T2 producers don't need mission runners, could we please have T2 item drops from missions, so mission runners don't need producers?
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander - why should big industrialists get everything their own way???
Incredibly valid point.
At least give back the occasional component drop.
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So'Kar
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenal
Originally by: Sinari Galdrin If R.A.M BPOs are going to become available, so T2 producers don't need mission runners, could we please have T2 item drops from missions, so mission runners don't need producers?
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander - why should big industrialists get everything their own way???
no, agent missions should be a source for faction items (and implants) while T2 production is only moon mining and production line
Agreed. Why were faction mods removed anyways?
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marioman
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: imblocked
What about removing asteroid, because mining is acquiring things for free ?
Actually it will get that way soon unless they fixed roid spawning in this patch, I know few systems ive seen has like 2 roids in the whole things lol.
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Jaketh Ivanes
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:03:00 -
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OP, I've gotten several t2 ships from missions. Not as rewards from missions, but from agenst offers. So, you allready can.
On a side note, i havn't read all the replies, so if this is allready said, then i'm sorry.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000 might be a bit cruel but i profitted from this change immediatly
Apparently a couple a people had forgotten to remove their buy orders for Starship ram's so i bought the bpo for 300k something then sold my existing rams for 500k a pop, just a pitty it takes aprox 30 min to produce a ram, or i would have made a fortune on the disfortune of others (aka filled the buy orders)
For their sakes i hope they remove or alter their buy orders asap or i will be happy to fill them in 2 days (when my firs 100 runs will be finished )
Actually, all you've done is make it take longer before T2 prices drop again...
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell Actually, all you've done is make it take longer before T2 prices drop again...
BS!!! (and no i don't mean battleship)
Everyone knew the patch was comming, if they had bothered to read the patchnote they would have cancelled their buy order yesterday.
And anyways chances are some of these good folks were just cashing in as well, buying them up cheap, selling them hi.
bah the only thing that happend was that T2 producers found out rams were used up and saw that as a reason to almost double their salesprices on certain items.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:14:00 -
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Sure, and spending 3-4 hours a nigh hauling RAM's which went from 30k to 1.5 mil had NOTHING to do with it right.
PS, not everyone had a chance to pull their orders down. Some of us have lives, and if they're several regions away...
I didn't have any buy orders up, incidently, before you say anything about THAT...
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James Don
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:18:00 -
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Well I bought a whole set of the RAM BPO's today, 2 sets to be precise, one set is in the labs (well ques actually ;) )
And the other set is in the factory ATM, do I hope to make a few ISK? yes thats whay I play EVE, will it make me rich?,,, no.
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Dr Rane
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: imblocked Edited by: imblocked on 10/01/2006 10:25:03 sigh, ram from agent bonus become as worthless than the 8 bantam i just earnt...
Time to use the recycle window again.
HAHAHAHAHAhahahaha funniest sig ever!
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SweetMajor
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sinari Galdrin If R.A.M BPOs are going to become available, so T2 producers don't need mission runners, could we please have T2 item drops from missions, so mission runners don't need producers?
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander - why should big industrialists get everything their own way???
Hmmm - Why not just change eve into a missioning game?
Producers still rely on the missioners. Minerals, starbase charters, etc.. RAM's were only a small part of the whole missioning area, and just because you were making some quick buck due to the supply running low, doesn't mean everything should be provided for you now that it has returned to the way it has been.
If you want a slice in the T2 market, get a research agent, period. I could complain about missioners getting all these minerals, and offers that disrupt the market for miners, but it is all part of the system. Production is what everything revolves around. Without it, you cannot do anything in the game - unless you stay in the newbie ship... Be thankful that you can fly around in a ship, and be blessed with Tech 2 modules...
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