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C11vos	Posted - 2003.08.22 11:51:00 - [1] Hi all, I've looked on a lot of sites and read most guides I can find. But I can't find much info on how blueprints work. So can somebody either point me to a comprehensive guide on the web, or answer the following questions.I have not used blueprints at all, but am thibk of doing so soon. 1. I understand the basic idea that a blueprint, that you can use it to manufature items. But what does it mean when is says copy:1? Does this mean that you can only make one item and then the blueprint is no god. Or does it mean that the is a first generation copy? 2. I understand that there has been a patch which limits the number of items a blueprint can make. Is this copies only, can the original make as many as you want? 3. In fact is there even such a thing as copies and originals 4. Is it possible to copy a blueprint? If it is, will this enable you to side step the limitation on the number of items that blueprint can make? 4. What are the processes involved in using, copying blueprints etc. 5. Where do the original blueprints originate from? Can someone help me to undestand the complexities and subtlities of blueprints? Cheers C11vos
C11vos	Posted - 2003.08.22 11:51:00 - [2] Hi all, I've looked on a lot of sites and read most guides I can find. But I can't find much info on how blueprints work. So can somebody either point me to a comprehensive guide on the web, or answer the following questions.I have not used blueprints at all, but am thibk of doing so soon. 1. I understand the basic idea that a blueprint, that you can use it to manufature items. But what does it mean when is says copy:1? Does this mean that you can only make one item and then the blueprint is no god. Or does it mean that the is a first generation copy? 2. I understand that there has been a patch which limits the number of items a blueprint can make. Is this copies only, can the original make as many as you want? 3. In fact is there even such a thing as copies and originals 4. Is it possible to copy a blueprint? If it is, will this enable you to side step the limitation on the number of items that blueprint can make? 4. What are the processes involved in using, copying blueprints etc. 5. Where do the original blueprints originate from? Can someone help me to undestand the complexities and subtlities of blueprints? Cheers C11vos
K24Q	Posted - 2003.08.22 12:11:00 - [3] 1) blueprint copy 1 is an orignal on the market, the name was intended to mean that you could only make so many copies of the blueprint, but currently it isnt implemented and I dont think there are any plans to do in the future. 2)Currenty with an orignal you can make as many copies as you like, each copy allows you to set the number of batchs that can be made from a copy to a maximum of 500. 3)Blueprints can be found on the market as blueprint copy 1 (these are orignals) you cant sell blueprints on the market. Obtain researched blueprints and blueprint copies can be done through player trading. 4)I forgot the point :P Also you can research the mineral effiecency and production effiecency of a blueprint. This allows for less waste and great speed when manafacturing the blueprint item (these are not availbe on the market) Hope that helps
K24Q	Posted - 2003.08.22 12:11:00 - [4] 1) blueprint copy 1 is an orignal on the market, the name was intended to mean that you could only make so many copies of the blueprint, but currently it isnt implemented and I dont think there are any plans to do in the future. 2)Currenty with an orignal you can make as many copies as you like, each copy allows you to set the number of batchs that can be made from a copy to a maximum of 500. 3)Blueprints can be found on the market as blueprint copy 1 (these are orignals) you cant sell blueprints on the market. Obtain researched blueprints and blueprint copies can be done through player trading. 4)I forgot the point :P Also you can research the mineral effiecency and production effiecency of a blueprint. This allows for less waste and great speed when manafacturing the blueprint item (these are not availbe on the market) Hope that helps
C11vos	Posted - 2003.08.22 13:26:00 - [5] Cheers, So in summary. copy : 1 indicates an original. From the original you can make as many copies as you want and on the copies you can limit the number of production runs. You can obtain originals from the market, but this is GM controlled as players can't sell bp's on the market, but have to do so via player to player trading. I presume this is so they can control what is available in the game. You can take a bp and research its effciency to improve production time and waste. Is this right? Also I have the following questions a) is it possible to reverse engineer an item, so take the item and produce a blueprint? b)what is involoved, the process that a player would have to go through to make a bp copy. What skills do you need for this? c) can you make a copy of a copy? b)what is involoved, the process that a player would have to go through to use a bp. What skills do you need for this? Thanks for your help C11vos
C11vos	Posted - 2003.08.22 13:26:00 - [6] Cheers, So in summary. copy : 1 indicates an original. From the original you can make as many copies as you want and on the copies you can limit the number of production runs. You can obtain originals from the market, but this is GM controlled as players can't sell bp's on the market, but have to do so via player to player trading. I presume this is so they can control what is available in the game. You can take a bp and research its effciency to improve production time and waste. Is this right? Also I have the following questions a) is it possible to reverse engineer an item, so take the item and produce a blueprint? b)what is involoved, the process that a player would have to go through to make a bp copy. What skills do you need for this? c) can you make a copy of a copy? b)what is involoved, the process that a player would have to go through to use a bp. What skills do you need for this? Thanks for your help C11vos
Toshiro Hasegawa	Posted - 2003.08.22 14:12:00 - [7] You need Science skill to copy a BP, as well you also need to rent a Research Lab slot. You can now set the number of batches the copy can make i believe. Havnt copied any since last patch. As it stood before you could make a copy of an original and then you could make as many batches of the item as you wanted. What that was doing was making the market saturated with BP copies which we cheaper than the originals. With 100 mineral efficiency and 100 production efficiency - still cheaper than an original the market got toasted. The idea now is to limit the batches a copy can produce, thus allowing those with the originals to have more control over the market. This is not very important for tech lv 1 BP but will be more evident as new BP's are introduced. BP's can be bought on the market from NPC's. They can also be bought from players and they can also be dropped by pirates (although i personaly have not seen a single blueprint drop from a pirate in 3 months of play since release... but i have it on good authority that they do.) Reverse Engineering is another area of the game that has yet to be introduced. (as far as i know) Anything else - History is the Study of Change
Toshiro Hasegawa Caldari 23rd Armor	Posted - 2003.08.22 14:12:00 - [8] You need Science skill to copy a BP, as well you also need to rent a Research Lab slot. You can now set the number of batches the copy can make i believe. Havnt copied any since last patch. As it stood before you could make a copy of an original and then you could make as many batches of the item as you wanted. What that was doing was making the market saturated with BP copies which we cheaper than the originals. With 100 mineral efficiency and 100 production efficiency - still cheaper than an original the market got toasted. The idea now is to limit the batches a copy can produce, thus allowing those with the originals to have more control over the market. This is not very important for tech lv 1 BP but will be more evident as new BP's are introduced. BP's can be bought on the market from NPC's. They can also be bought from players and they can also be dropped by pirates (although i personaly have not seen a single blueprint drop from a pirate in 3 months of play since release... but i have it on good authority that they do.) Reverse Engineering is another area of the game that has yet to be introduced. (as far as i know) Anything else - History is the Study of Change
Severe McCald	Posted - 2003.08.22 15:12:00 - [9] The number of batches depends on the type of product. Ships, I believe, will be many less than 500 max, whereas ammo are more (I know). You cannot copy a copy. Original BP's can be sold by players through the market, only copies cannot. You cannot currently reverse engineer, but it is planned for the future (so I read). The only skill required for what you can currently do is Science lvl1! SM And Moses was content to dwell with the man:and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter. And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom:for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land.
Severe McCald Caldari Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2003.08.22 15:12:00 - [10] The number of batches depends on the type of product. Ships, I believe, will be many less than 500 max, whereas ammo are more (I know). You cannot copy a copy. Original BP's can be sold by players through the market, only copies cannot. You cannot currently reverse engineer, but it is planned for the future (so I read). The only skill required for what you can currently do is Science lvl1! SM I saw a squirrel today jumping from one tree to another, the branch it landed on snapped. So the squirrel was on this falling branch, clambering like mad, thinking it was doing something about it.'
Scarlet Dresari	Posted - 2003.08.22 23:14:00 - [11] Thanks for the informative detailts on bps!
Scarlet Dresari Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2003.08.22 23:14:00 - [12] Thanks for the informative detailts on bps!
C11vos	Posted - 2003.08.23 18:44:00 - [13] Yeah thanks guys
C11vos	Posted - 2003.08.23 18:44:00 - [14] Yeah thanks guys
C11vos	Posted - 2003.09.04 08:24:00 - [15] Hi, I haevsome more questions. 1) When I went to hire a factory slot for manufacture, I was informed that there was a rental charge. But how long does a rental period last. 2) There is also a time to produce the item listed on the bp. This will say something like 600. My question is 600 what? Mins? Secs? 3)Also it gives the units to produce a batch. How many are in a batch? 4)Finally if you are manufacturing something, do u have to be there docked at that station or are you free to set it running then fly off? Cheers C11vos
C11vos	Posted - 2003.09.04 08:24:00 - [16] Hi, I haevsome more questions. 1) When I went to hire a factory slot for manufacture, I was informed that there was a rental charge. But how long does a rental period last. 2) There is also a time to produce the item listed on the bp. This will say something like 600. My question is 600 what? Mins? Secs? 3)Also it gives the units to produce a batch. How many are in a batch? 4)Finally if you are manufacturing something, do u have to be there docked at that station or are you free to set it running then fly off? Cheers C11vos
Toshiro Hasegawa	Posted - 2003.09.04 12:39:00 - [17] Quote: 1) When I went to hire a factory slot for manufacture, I was informed that there was a rental charge. But how long does a rental period last. 3 days i think .. i might be wrong. If you continue to use the factory slow, you can just renue the payment, done in Wallet / Bills /Payable. Quote: 2) There is also a time to produce the item listed on the bp. This will say something like 600. My question is 600 what? Mins? Secs? Again im not sure, i rarely check the bp for such info, im more a try and see what happens sorta guy. I place the BP into the slot and fire 1 batch through and then check all the information listed by the factory. The Devs have added a bunch of Tabs with info, such as ingredients, time and such, nice addition since the beta. I write down the info in a log book for future reference. Quote: 3)Also it gives the units to produce a batch. How many are in a batch? The BP lists how many in a batch. If its anything but ammunition I beleive the batch number 1. Quote: 4)Finally if you are manufacturing something, do u have to be there docked at that station or are you free to set it running then fly off? You are free to turn your comp right off and go to the beach. The beauty of modern production, 100% automated. hopethathelps - History is the Study of Change
Toshiro Hasegawa Caldari 23rd Armor	Posted - 2003.09.04 12:39:00 - [18] Quote: 1) When I went to hire a factory slot for manufacture, I was informed that there was a rental charge. But how long does a rental period last. 3 days i think .. i might be wrong. If you continue to use the factory slow, you can just renue the payment, done in Wallet / Bills /Payable. Quote: 2) There is also a time to produce the item listed on the bp. This will say something like 600. My question is 600 what? Mins? Secs? Again im not sure, i rarely check the bp for such info, im more a try and see what happens sorta guy. I place the BP into the slot and fire 1 batch through and then check all the information listed by the factory. The Devs have added a bunch of Tabs with info, such as ingredients, time and such, nice addition since the beta. I write down the info in a log book for future reference. Quote: 3)Also it gives the units to produce a batch. How many are in a batch? The BP lists how many in a batch. If its anything but ammunition I beleive the batch number 1. Quote: 4)Finally if you are manufacturing something, do u have to be there docked at that station or are you free to set it running then fly off? You are free to turn your comp right off and go to the beach. The beauty of modern production, 100% automated. hopethathelps - History is the Study of Change
C11vos	Posted - 2003.09.05 07:38:00 - [19] Thanks for that, it answers a lot of my questions. In my last question however, what I meant to ask was about ingame conditions. So that if you are manufacturing something, does your pilot have to stay docked at that station or I am I free to fly off and go mining, trading whatever Thanks C11vos
C11vos	Posted - 2003.09.05 07:38:00 - [20] Thanks for that, it answers a lot of my questions. In my last question however, what I meant to ask was about ingame conditions. So that if you are manufacturing something, does your pilot have to stay docked at that station or I am I free to fly off and go mining, trading whatever Thanks C11vos
Toshiro Hasegawa	Posted - 2003.09.05 15:12:00 - [21] umm - i dont get why you didnt get my answer :) confusion ensues.. Like i said you dont even have to be in game. You can log on and start the BP working and leave the game, come back and its done. Or go mining, or or or. Its a fully automated system, you are only needed to tell the lab what BP to work on and what to do with it. - History is the Study of Change
Toshiro Hasegawa Caldari 23rd Armor	Posted - 2003.09.05 15:12:00 - [22] umm - i dont get why you didnt get my answer :) confusion ensues.. Like i said you dont even have to be in game. You can log on and start the BP working and leave the game, come back and its done. Or go mining, or or or. Its a fully automated system, you are only needed to tell the lab what BP to work on and what to do with it. - History is the Study of Change
Seth Raine	Posted - 2007.08.30 13:52:00 - [23] What sort of place do you copy a blueprint at, I have been doing some manufacturing but the places i have been never have the copy blueprint option ... Also what is required to get your own place to run production so you dont have to rent a slot?
Ithoriel Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2007.08.30 14:28:00 - [24] Edited by: Ithoriel on 30/08/2007 14:28:15 Whoo! You're resurrecting a 4 year old thread Don't rely on anything posted above you Copying is done in labs - check Science and Industry tab to find ones near you. Be prepared to wait in line for a slot they tend to be heavily used - add yours to the end of the shortest queue! Players can build structures with lab slots but they take quite a bit of work to set-up, run and defend so tend to be corp assets. Growing old is mandatory, growing up is entirely optional
Wahjoo Minmatar	Posted - 2007.08.30 15:59:00 - [25] Originally by: Severe McCald Original BP's can be sold by players through the market, only copies cannot. I have a question about that. I recently bought a BP for tractor beam, and it has a limmit of 300. Isn't that a copy? I wasn't exactly jipped, because I checked and saw that limmitation before buying the BP. I accepted that because I could not find an original, and 300 runs of that BP would more then make up for it. Heck...If I just sell 1 tractor beam at regular price I would make around 3 times what I paid for it. But the question still remains: If you can't buy a copy, and originals have no limmitations on the amount of runs, then what did I buy? "We were once so close to Heaven; Peter came out and gave us medals. Declaring us the nicest of the Damned"
Falkrich Swifthand	Posted - 2007.08.31 10:32:00 - [26] That's probably the limit on the number you can make in one go. There's nothing stopping you then using the same blueprint for more. IIRC it's also the maximum number of runs you can put on a copy of that blueprint.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.31 11:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Wahjoo Originally by: Severe McCald Original BP's can be sold by players through the market, only copies cannot. I have a question about that. I recently bought a BP for tractor beam, and it has a limmit of 300. Isn't that a copy? I wasn't exactly jipped, because I checked and saw that limmitation before buying the BP. I accepted that because I could not find an original, and 300 runs of that BP would more then make up for it. Heck...If I just sell 1 tractor beam at regular price I would make around 3 times what I paid for it. But the question still remains: If you can't buy a copy, and originals have no limmitations on the amount of runs, then what did I buy? To recognize a copy from a original look the first page of the BP, and original has a original in green, a copy has copy in red.
P Chan	Posted - 2007.09.02 09:20:00 - [28] last couple of times i've bought a blueprint from the market, it didn't say whether it was an original or a copy until after i bought it and checked the info on what i purchased. in all cases, its always been an original.
Reincarnator Amarr Brute Force Missions inc	Posted - 2007.09.02 11:51:00 - [29] Originally by: P Chan last couple of times i've bought a blueprint from the market, it didn't say whether it was an original or a copy until after i bought it and checked the info on what i purchased. in all cases, its always been an original. All blueprints that you get from the market are original. Originally by: Hango Please refrain from posting if you have something to contribute. Thank you. -Hango Sig'd

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