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Coras Aldeland
K32 Industries
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Posted - 2013.09.12 14:49:00 -
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As a relatively new player I wanted to ask some of the old-timers about their previous experiences with CCP and EULAs/TOSs/etc.
The first published/advertized 'clarification' I saw was about cache scraping. CCP appeared to proclaim that it was completely against the rules and was a bannable offense. When asked about applications like EveMon the 'clarification' was that nobody was going to be banned for using it even though it was a scraper. The last thing I heard on the subject was that scraping was against the rules but CCP will allow it when they feel like it and can change their minds at any time and ban you for it anyhow.
Now I see we have another issue that has come around about impersonation. I can understand not allowing the impersonation of CCP staff but declaring all impersonation if against the rules doesn't sit right either. This change was touted as a 'minor clarification' which instead appears to have the potential to be game changing for a lot of people. The more CCP attempts to 'clarify' the changes the more muddled the waters seem to get.
So, my questions...
1. Is anyone else out there scratching their heads trying to figure out what is and is not allowed?
2. For anyone around longer than I have been - does this sort of confusion arise every time CCP makes a TOS/EULA change or clarification?
You would think that since CCP has figured out how many bugs can be caught and fixed by utilizing a test server for new changes to mechanics that they would take a similar philosophy with things like TOS and EULA. Why not have a group players can join to see proposed changes and comment. Perhaps then CCP would have a better grasp on how to clarify what they intended instead of muddying the waters further. |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
True Zombies
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Posted - 2013.09.12 14:50:00 -
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The low down!
Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me.
Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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Rengerel en Distel
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Posted - 2013.09.12 14:51:00 -
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1) No, the 45+ page thread about it was everyone in agreement with CCP.
2) Only when they don't make any sense.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Orakkus
Winds of Dawn
Kraken.
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Posted - 2013.09.12 14:59:00 -
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Coras Aldeland wrote:
So, my questions...
1. Is anyone else out there scratching their heads trying to figure out what is and is not allowed?
2. For anyone around longer than I have been - does this sort of confusion arise every time CCP makes a TOS/EULA change or clarification?
1. No, we all know what is and isn't allowed. In fact, we (the playerbase) understand clearly what they did. On the other hand, CCP and surprisingly, the CSM, seemed to be lacking in that same understanding.. despite the multiple explinations given.
2. No necessarily regarding the TOS/EULA, and frankly there is clearly something more going on because I've seen CCP do a 180 on other issues that created this much problem. But they have done similar things in the past, the Roll-out of Incarna is probably the best example, which resulted in a massive player revolt when CCP continually kept refusing to fix the hundreds of bugs and overly complicated gameplay, and instead tried to push Incarna without any clear goal in mind.
The thing was, we had thought CCP had learned from the event and the CSM proved its worth on that day. The TOS issue is easily just as big, but CCP seems to have been blindsides and the CSM, at least, from what Ali Aras stated, is at least partly to blame as well. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.12 15:16:00 -
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Orakkus wrote:Coras Aldeland wrote:
So, my questions...
1. Is anyone else out there scratching their heads trying to figure out what is and is not allowed?
2. For anyone around longer than I have been - does this sort of confusion arise every time CCP makes a TOS/EULA change or clarification?
1. No, we all know what is and isn't allowed. In fact, we (the playerbase) understand clearly what they did. On the other hand, CCP and surprisingly, the CSM, seemed to be lacking in that same understanding.. despite the multiple explinations given. 2. No necessarily regarding the TOS/EULA, and frankly there is clearly something more going on because I've seen CCP do a 180 on other issues that created this much problem. But they have done similar things in the past, the Roll-out of Incarna is probably the best example, which resulted in a massive player revolt when CCP continually kept refusing to fix the hundreds of bugs and overly complicated gameplay, and instead tried to push Incarna without any clear goal in mind. The thing was, we had thought CCP had learned from the event and the CSM proved its worth on that day. The TOS issue is easily just as big, but CCP seems to have been blindsides and the CSM, at least, from what Ali Aras stated, is at least partly to blame as well.
Well, is it the same CSM, also I doubt these gms were involved in incarna
Everyone's gotta take a fall sometime.
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.09.12 15:29:00 -
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Just play the ******* game ffs and stop being so autistic about wording of documents that have **** all effect on your game unless you bot or behave like an absolute ****.
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Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
3371
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Posted - 2013.09.12 15:31:00 -
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omg, it's full of ******* stars.
'murica
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Mr Pragmatic
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Posted - 2013.09.12 15:35:00 -
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If you don't read the user agreement=human centIpad
Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
Coras Aldeland
K32 Industries
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Posted - 2013.09.12 16:26:00 -
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Roime wrote:Just play the ******* game ffs and stop being so autistic about wording of documents that have **** all effect on your game unless you bot or behave like an absolute ****.
So you choose to be uninformed and then whine when you get slapped with a ban? More power to you. I'd rather understand the rules I've been asked to abide by. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect they be clear and well defined. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.09.12 20:27:00 -
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This thread violates the rules of Fight Club because it talks about Fight Club.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2013.09.12 21:26:00 -
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Can't someone fix AFK cloaking?
Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo... |
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