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Thieving Monkey
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Posted - 2013.09.12 18:02:00 -
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Something I came up with when looking at resistance holes, particularly in t2 fits.
Imagine if you will that each racial faction had a damage control that gave the same total resistances of a T2 DC, for the same fitting and skill requirements, but more closely resembled the native resistances of a T2 hull of that race.
So a Republic Fleet DC would give higher em/therm at the expense of kin/explo, on all surfaces (perhaps not on hull though? of perhaps yes on hull, as a drawback to using it).
You could use a DC for a different race (ie. RF DC on an Amarr boat) to balance the resists on a t2 hull, plus unsightly holes, or just tank up against specific damage types. It would be awesome and a lot more reliable than a reactive hardener. |
Lynnu
Pokladek Industries
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Posted - 2013.09.12 18:04:00 -
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Hmm, sounds like an idea
*approves* |
Steve Spooner
Mordu's Military Industrial Command
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2013.09.12 20:09:00 -
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Sooooo you DON'T want equalized hull resistances? |
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State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.13 04:19:00 -
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What would be the point in different races having diff resists if you could just plug the holes with these perfectly tailored hardeners?
Don't get me wrong I like the idea, it just sounds like it would obsolete a lot of modules. They'd become a must-have for any omni tank.
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Heather Tsukaya
Feather Ventures
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Posted - 2013.09.13 05:02:00 -
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That sounds pretty neat.
People wouldn't use them in fleets much (like other faction modules) because of the price. However they would make people OCD about having even resistances happy.
Basically as specialized items should they would fulfill a niche need, so I support this idea. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.13 15:35:00 -
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Heather Tsukaya wrote:That sounds pretty neat.
People wouldn't use them in fleets much (like other faction modules) because of the price. However they would make people OCD about having even resistances happy.
Basically as specialized items should they would fulfill a niche need, so I support this idea.
no one said they need to be expensive. ~10mil a pop would make them viable options for BC and up doctrines while not obsoleting T2.
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Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.09.13 15:52:00 -
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Nice idea!
(wrong forum)
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Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel
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Posted - 2013.09.13 16:33:00 -
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This actually does sound quite interesting. I suppose the acid test will be how it's received in the Features and Ideas Discussion forum - people there tend to be quite critical, but if you're lucky, you may come away with an even better idea than you went in with.
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The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.13 17:09:00 -
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I would have to say the special resists should only apply to hull. Otherwise op. |
Medude
Unstable Reaction Inc.
Takahashi Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:16:00 -
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Would say the resists would need to be stacking penalised or could be OP and obsolete a lot of tanking modules
Edit: and maybe only apply to racial tank type |
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:25:00 -
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Medude wrote:Would say the resists would need to be stacking penalised or could be OP and obsolete a lot of tanking modules
Edit: and maybe only apply to racial tank type
but wouldn't the resists be small enough that it shouldn't really matter, just say make things a bit more even?
of course you could do silly things in pve like fly an amarr ship with an amarr damage control and a bunch of exp hardeners and have insane Exp resist, but then you would be screwed if someone started shooting you with thermal.
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.13 19:28:00 -
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How about officer damage control with 90% hull resists?  |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.09.13 20:17:00 -
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Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.
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Luc Chastot
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Posted - 2013.09.14 03:29:00 -
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Interesting idea.
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Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant
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Posted - 2013.09.14 04:02:00 -
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IIshira wrote:How about officer damage control with 90% hull resists?
hull tanking is now more viable
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zbaaca
POD Based Lifeforms
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Posted - 2013.09.14 05:05:00 -
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IIshira wrote:How about officer damage control with 90% hull resists?
then u need faction and deadspace hull and remote hull repairers 
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Grunnax Aurelius
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Posted - 2013.09.14 13:06:00 -
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excuse me while i fit a republic fleet dc on my hawk with 1 em rig, yay 60 / 80 / 70 / 65 shield resist roughly... Sorry mate but im not going to support this idea, too easy to tailor resists and leave more free mods for mid slots in choosing either more utility or buffer tank, or for armor ships more. armor buffer or more damage.
as others above have said, to easy to manipulate resists.
how you would work each races t2 ships
gallente - amarr dc + 1 or 2 resist rigs
minmatar - gallente dc + 1 or 2 resist rigs
caldari - minmatar dc + 1 or 2 resist rigs
amarr - caldari dc + 1 or 2 resist rigs
too easy to manipulate, no support here, sorry mate.
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Thieving Monkey
LOL International
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Posted - 2013.09.16 17:03:00 -
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Grunnax Aurelius wrote:excuse me while i fit a republic fleet dc on my hawk with 1 em rig, yay 60 / 80 / 70 / 65 shield resist roughly... Sorry mate but im not going to support this idea, too easy to tailor resists and leave more free mods for mid slots in choosing either more utility or buffer tank, or for armor ships more. armor buffer or more damage.
as others above have said, to easy to manipulate resists.
how you would work each races t2 ships
gallente - amarr dc + 1 or 2 resist rigs
minmatar - gallente dc + 1 or 2 resist rigs
caldari - minmatar dc + 1 or 2 resist rigs
amarr - caldari dc + 1 or 2 resist rigs
too easy to manipulate, no support here, sorry mate.
I understand your gripe with it, but we are talking faction modules here, and they're not giving you more resistances than the t2 DC, they're just tailoring the spread, which lowers some resistances and raises others. It's give and take, and can work towards ships having more balanced resistances.
I'm pleased that so many people are atleast intrigued by the idea of faction DCs. I know my idea is flawed, as I'm a big fan of OP tanks, but I'd love to see a more refined and balanced set of modules be brought into existence. Maybe ones that don't offer enough resistances to fully plug the holes in t2 tanks, but enough to properly balance t1 resists.
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Thieving Monkey
LOL International
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Posted - 2013.09.16 17:06:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Medude wrote:Would say the resists would need to be stacking penalised or could be OP and obsolete a lot of tanking modules
Edit: and maybe only apply to racial tank type but wouldn't the resists be small enough that it shouldn't really matter, just say make things a bit more even? of course you could do silly things in pve like fly an amarr ship with an amarr damage control and a bunch of exp hardeners and have insane Exp resist, but then you would be screwed if someone started shooting you with thermal.
That's exactly what I'd like to see. Tailored resistances, to live or die with style. |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2013.09.17 13:07:00 -
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The Spod wrote:I would have to say the special resists should only apply to hull. Otherwise op.
You get 60% resists with a T2 DC...why bother with Faction?
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Shahai Shintaro
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2013.09.17 14:56:00 -
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I think you are missing the point. This idea looks great on a T1 ship. However, on a T2 ship it becomes rediculous. Let's look at the hawk. Current resist profile for shield 0/80/70/50. After adding a minmatar DC it becomes 31/80/70/60. A 31 percent gain in it's weak point at the cost of a low slot. The hawk is my favorite ship and I would be in heaven if it got Minny T2 resists |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2013.09.17 23:13:00 -
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Grunnax Aurelius wrote:excuse me while i fit a republic fleet dc on my hawk with 1 em rig, yay 60 / 80 / 70 / 65 shield resist roughly... Sorry mate but im not going to support this idea, too easy to tailor resists and leave more free mods for mid slots in choosing either more utility or buffer tank, or for armor ships more. armor buffer or more damage.
as others above have said, to easy to manipulate resists.
how you would work each races t2 ships
gallente - amarr dc + 1 or 2 resist rigs
minmatar - gallente dc + 1 or 2 resist rigs
caldari - minmatar dc + 1 or 2 resist rigs
amarr - caldari dc + 1 or 2 resist rigs
too easy to manipulate, no support here, sorry mate.
damage controls give smallish bonuses to shield and armor, using the hawk in eft with a t2 em rig and t2 damage control I see 43.1 em, 82.5 therm, 73.8 kin, and 56.3 exp. with a "faction" dc I wouldn't bet on em resists going above 45%, and a slight bump to therm, with lesser kin/exp resists.
Shahai Shintaro wrote:I think you are missing the point. This idea looks great on a T1 ship. However, on a T2 ship it becomes rediculous. Let's look at the hawk. Current resist profile for shield 0/80/70/50. After adding a minmatar DC it becomes 31/80/70/60. A 31 percent gain in it's weak point at the cost of a low slot. The hawk is my favorite ship and I would be in heaven if it got Minny T2 resists
a t2 damage control gives 12.5% to all shield resists, I'm thinking the op means for the minny dc to give 15 em 13 therm 11 kin 11 exp or so (numbers pulled out of my arse, but it wouldn't be hard to make a spreadsheet for actual numbers).
a pure 31% resist bonus just doesn't seem in the spirit of damage controls at all, and without stacking penalty, it just seems wrong.
**** it, I did a short spreadsheet, a minny dc would give 16.67 em, 13.33 therm, 8.88 kin, and 11.11 exp based on the resists on a jaguar. and assuming the resists are applied proportionally to the total resist. bringing the hawk's resists to 45.8/82.67/72.67/55.56
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Daichi Yamato
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.18 15:09:00 -
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i got the impression the idea was a small change in favour of two damage types at the expense of the other two damage types. in which case i think it would be fine as a module for evening things out a bit. It doesnt need to be more powerful than a T2 DC in anyways, just specialised and more expensive.
i dnt know where i sit on the specialised hull resists tho.
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Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.18 15:31:00 -
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Caldari DC ..... EM/ Exp/ Kin/ Therm
shield ..... 15 / 16 / 16.5 / 16.5
armour ..... 11 / 11 / 11 / 11
structure ..... 55 / 55 / 55 / 55
Gallente DC
shield ..... 11 / 11 / 11.5 / 11.5
armour ..... 16 / 16 / 17 / 17
structure ..... 65 / 65 / 65 / 65
Amarr DC
shield ..... 11 / 11 / 11 / 11
armour ..... 16 / 18.5 / 18.5 / 16
structure .... 59 / 59 / 59 / 59
Minnie DC
shield ..... 13.5 / 14.5 / 15 / 15
armour ..... 17.5 / 16.5 / 16.5 / 17.5
structure ..... 57 / 57 / 57 / 57
Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name
AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2013.09.18 16:54:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:Caldari DC ..... EM/ Exp/ Kin/ Therm
shield ..... 15 / 16 / 16.5 / 16.5
armour ..... 11 / 11 / 11 / 11
structure ..... 55 / 55 / 55 / 55
Gallente DC
shield ..... 11 / 11 / 11.5 / 11.5
armour ..... 16 / 16 / 17 / 17
structure ..... 65 / 65 / 65 / 65
Amarr DC
shield ..... 11 / 11 / 11 / 11
armour ..... 16 / 18.5 / 18.5 / 16
structure .... 59 / 59 / 59 / 59
Minnie DC
shield ..... 13.5 / 14.5 / 15 / 15
armour ..... 17.5 / 16.5 / 16.5 / 17.5
structure ..... 57 / 57 / 57 / 57
You forgot the cost thingy,
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Posted - 2013.09.23 11:41:00 -
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elitatwo wrote:Harvey James wrote:Caldari DC ..... EM/ Exp/ Kin/ Therm
shield ..... 15 / 16 / 16.5 / 16.5
armour ..... 11 / 11 / 11 / 11
structure ..... 55 / 55 / 55 / 55
Gallente DC
shield ..... 11 / 11 / 11.5 / 11.5
armour ..... 16 / 16 / 17 / 17
structure ..... 65 / 65 / 65 / 65
Amarr DC
shield ..... 11 / 11 / 11 / 11
armour ..... 16 / 18.5 / 18.5 / 16
structure .... 59 / 59 / 59 / 59
Minnie DC
shield ..... 13.5 / 14.5 / 15 / 15
armour ..... 17.5 / 16.5 / 16.5 / 17.5
structure ..... 57 / 57 / 57 / 57 You forgot the cost thingy, 10.000 LP and 10.000.000 isk at your local LP store
They should be even more expensive imho. Make it hurt when you lose one of them :)
But the stats look good so far.
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