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Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:01:00 -
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i'm posting here given yo'ure the guys who know about optimizing and so on.
after 6 months living on my reserves from my w-space time, i had to go back farming a bit. and there's something i really don't get.
i'm currently playing on sov nullsec to do a bit of pvp. so i did a few haven / sanctum.... and was horrified by how low my wallet was blinking.
i switched alts to high sec, and did some lv4, for about the same DPS (but totally different ships) for the same time. i checked my wallet and saw... almost the same thing.
i don't get it.
when i was playing on class 4 wormhole, it took for sure some logistics to organize things, and it was sometimes pretty dangerous, but i was earning waaaaay more money.
but sov nullsec also need lots of things to organize to live here, and it's not really a safe place... but i'm earning way less isk but what i really don't get is that i can earn the same thing on high sec doing lv4 missions... for no organization, and risk free.
sure on null i could see some officier spawn and so find a big loot... but i doubt it happen every day... and so i doubt i can really count it.
the question is ; is it normal that i don't earn more money on nullsec (as a grunt, don't talk about moons or such) than on high sec ? cause it makes no sense to me if it's normal. |

Kesshisan
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:07:00 -
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You lived in a wormhole, so it stands to reason that you have scanning experience. Have you tried scanning in null space? Escalations are wonderful. . |

Mentat Cthulhu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:47:00 -
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try high sec Incursions...you can make easy 120mil in bounties per hour in complete safety with no need to fight for sov, attend ctas etc |

Desudes
Pixelmoon The Star League
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:54:00 -
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There is more to EVE then ISK farming, fyi. Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu? |

Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
83
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:03:00 -
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Desudes wrote:There is more to EVE then ISK farming, fyi. sure, today i made 6 pvp kills, and launched a few industry jobs, but that's not the point ; this topic is about isk farming.
Mentat Cthulhu wrote:try high sec Incursions...you can make easy 120mil in bounties per hour in complete safety with no need to fight for sov, attend ctas etc you can make incursion anywhere, not really the issue here.
the question is about "is it normal i do about the same amount of isk while farming on null and on high ? or i am doing really bad while doing it on null ?" make no sense if it's the case. i'm comparing the most coming way of farming on high (lv4 mission), with the most common way of farming on sov nullsec (sanctum), so i am doing it wrong ? |

Elsa Nietchize
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:55:00 -
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hisec is profitable null isn't |

Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.30 23:00:00 -
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I am in a very similar situation to you Raid'En, and my experiences are similar.
I moved out of my solo-C4 with a very tidy isk nest egg and have been pottering around hisec, lowsec, and nullsec ... just doing stuff ... since then.
The differential between nullsec and hisec mission running is not as high as I had anticipated, and nullsec carebearing is way more difficult and risky. Running missions as your main isk generator is (IMHO) a very boring way of life, whether in hisec or lowsec or nullsec, but it is a good thing to be doing from time-to-time. I ran incursions for a little while and found them to be almost as tedious as PI ... despite being able to generate decent isk returns.
I'm not much of a PvPer, and what I am doing atm includes: - hisec missions ... mainly to balance my standings and provide access to all the epic arc agents. - pirate epic arcs ... most weeks I have one or two pirate arcs on the go, accessed via various alts and clone-jumps into Curse / Venal to do our stuff. - lvl4 epic arcs ... again, I have one or more of these underway most of the time. - Nullsec missions ... partly for the increased challenge and partly to bolster pirate corp standings to accommodate my inevitable drops in pirate faction standings. - Industry ... we still make some profit from ship-building. - Out-of-game / in-game services. If it was not for our pirate epic arc support package business (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread) my wallet would probably also be going backwards ... especially with some of the recent purchases for my hisec mission-running tengu.
Having spent much of the last month on-and-off running agent missions in nullsec I have started viewing them as mainly being income support for those that choose to live there for other reasons (the PvP and other nullsec stuff) and not as proportionately profitable alternatives to equivalent hisec missions. It's always fun missioning with hostile combat probes on your DS, and nullsec mission-running offers various other excitements, but it's not proving to be a terribly profitable alternative.
We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |

Nimrod Nemesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2011.10.31 00:11:00 -
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I live in nullsec (NPC) myself and i'm certainly not here for the isk. I live to pvp in the most un-restricted areas of space with the few other pilots I can call my friends. I don't find it terribly satisfying that empire bears can mission their way to a nearly risk-free fortune, but as a nullsec resident who never sees anything of these pubbies (save their cheap goods being exported to my station from time to time) I have got a laundry list of things I find more important to gripe about. |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2011.10.31 01:52:00 -
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Elsa Nietchize wrote:hisec is profitable null isn't
Your sov, can i haz? |

Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
99
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Posted - 2011.10.31 02:05:00 -
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Nimrod Nemesis wrote:I live in nullsec (NPC) myself and i'm certainly not here for the isk.
Ummm, so why would someone in that enviable situation begrudge other people choosing to play eve in some other way, and make lots of isk if that's their thing?
I have no problem with people choosing to play pvp in nullsec, so why would they be unhappy that I choose some other thing to do?
It just strikes me as odd that some people get upset at others wanting to do things differently. When I first engaged with eve that was one of its main attractions to me (along with the whole sci fi internet spaceship theme) ... the whole 'sandbox' thing. I love being able to mine ice one day, harvest 'melteds' from sleepers the next, build some T2 ships later in the day, sell stuff in jita the following day, mission in emolgranlan soon afterwards, then hop into curse to taunt some wannabe PvPers, then jump off to mission in X-7OMU, and finish by checking that all the pirate-arc-kit contracts are uptodate.
I guess this means I am never gonna be expert at any one thing, but it does sadden me a little to see people take a uni-dimensional view of their life in eve. There is so much to do, yet so many choose to complain rather than get out there and try all that different stuff.
Nimrod Nemesis wrote: ... in the most un-restricted areas of space with the few other pilots ...
That's great. Good on you.
Nimrod Nemesis wrote: ... I have got a laundry list of things I find more important to gripe about.
Go for it. I reckon there's a large collection of people who'd love you to air your laundry list, and will encourage and sympathise with you.
Me? I think I'll go try my hand at something new ... mebbe some nullsec plexes. Catch me if you can. This guy did :-)
We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |

Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2011.10.31 05:41:00 -
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Hrmm...
SOV Nullsec: ~15-20mil per tic running sanctums Highsec: ~5-10 mil per tic running lvl 4's |

Dors Venabily
Percone Outcasts
0
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Posted - 2011.10.31 09:14:00 -
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I think you must be doing something wrong.
Never got less money or not even close with High sec lvl 4s compared to nullsec.
Hell even properly chained belt ratting is going to give you more then lvl 4's. So either you are trolling and have some agenda of the type nerf lvl4s move them to lowsec or you are doing something wrong that created the inefficiency.
Loots and Salvage in null is much better since the rats are of higher class.
If there is something that is stupidly overpowered as far as income in high sec it is the incursions. Seriously those should get buffed a bit and moved all to low sec.But that is only my opinion. |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2011.10.31 11:49:00 -
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There are a lot of profitable stuff to do, one of them is to build in high sec and then sell in in null.
Cyno alt
Jump freighter
NPC station or friends/corp/alliance Station/pos
Make 150 to 500% profits
You can also buy in high sec and sell in null, at less profit but well it's not like 5 to 10% in high sec.
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King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
29
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Posted - 2011.10.31 12:10:00 -
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Anoms have 4 advantages over missions: you don't have to change systems, you don't have to dock, bigger spawn size and bigger bounty per npc. If you can't make more isk with those advantages then your problem is a lack of dps/tank. If you're warping out constantly, you remove three of the advantages since they revolve around being able to stay put instead of moving around. If it's a lack of dps, you just haven't reached a point yet where the time in moving around plays a significant role in isk generation.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're using a drake or a low dps tengu. To get the most out of missions or anoms, you should be able to apply no less than 1000 dps on targets at 50km. A good setup will be pumping out 1300-1500 dps at 60km+. Obviously drone travel times need to be considered but they can be micromanaged to negate most of their travel time issues so long as npc spawn points are reasonably predictable. |

Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
84
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Posted - 2011.10.31 12:35:00 -
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i'm not trolling, i don't get how to make more money on null than on high, and i consider it ridiculous, so i'm asking where the problem is. maybe it's me, maybe it's gameplay. and i have no reason to ask for a nerf on high, if i had to do somthing i would ask for a buff on null :P
@Tanya Powers : I'm talking rats here, industry don't count. you don't compare rats on high sec and industry/trade on nullsec. i'm well aware that there are opportunity on nulsec for trading, but i want to stay on the rat subject on this topic.
Dors Venabily wrote: Loots and Salvage in null is much better since the rats are of higher class.
well i tried 2 times, but +-3m loot is a waste of time...
King Rothgar wrote:Anoms have 4 advantages over missions: you don't have to change systems, you don't have to dock, bigger spawn size and bigger bounty per npc. If you can't make more isk with those advantages then your problem is a lack of dps/tank. If you're warping out constantly, you remove three of the advantages since they revolve around being able to stay put instead of moving around. If it's a lack of dps, you just haven't reached a point yet where the time in moving around plays a significant role in isk generation.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say you're using a drake or a low dps tengu. To get the most out of missions or anoms, you should be able to apply no less than 1000 dps on targets at 50km. A good setup will be pumping out 1300-1500 dps at 60km+. Obviously drone travel times need to be considered but they can be micromanaged to negate most of their travel time issues so long as npc spawn points are reasonably predictable. i had for sure less than 1300 dps ... but my high sec setup was not done at all for small ships, so i'm pretty sure i was losing more time due to wrong fitting on high than null... true that i was losing lots of time traveling on the nullsec ano however. |

Sandrestal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.31 13:32:00 -
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Kesshisan wrote: Have you tried scanning in null space? Escalations are wonderful.
I've done escalations any number of times all the way to the end. Other than bounties, there were no drops and, when factoring in travel time, did I see anything wonderful. Add up all the time spent scanning and finding nothing because other peeps already got the site, and indeed....lvl 4 high sec missions can earn same amount over time.
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Sandrestal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.31 13:37:00 -
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Dors Venabily wrote: Hell even properly chained belt ratting is going to give you more then lvl 4's. So either you are trolling and have some agenda of the type nerf lvl4s move them to lowsec or you are doing something wrong that created the inefficiency.
By the time you get a good chain built up, the time spent killing off worthless rats has to be factored in. Then of course someone comes along and starts ratting in your belt...then what?
Dors Venabily wrote: Loots and Salvage in null is much better since the rats are of higher class.
I've looted in Gurista space, both havens and Sanctums, and stopped because the loot/salvage wasn't worth the time.
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Sandrestal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.31 13:43:00 -
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King Rothgar wrote:Anoms have 4 advantages over missions: you don't have to change systems, you don't have to dock, bigger spawn size and bigger bounty per npc. If you can't make more isk with those advantages then your problem is a lack of dps/tank. If you're warping out constantly, you remove three of the advantages since they revolve around being able to stay put instead of moving around. If it's a lack of dps, you just haven't reached a point yet where the time in moving around plays a significant role in isk generation.
You forget the disadvantages. Sanctums were nerfed. Everyone and his brother are looking for anoms. One red in a cloaky ship will prevent you from both ratting and doing anoms (unless you are stupid and want to run the risk of a BO's gang landing on you. While lvl 4 missions won't earn you as much as a really good anom, you can do as many lvl 4 high sec missions as you want without interference.
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Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
84
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Posted - 2011.10.31 14:01:00 -
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Sandrestal wrote: I've done escalations any number of times all the way to the end. Other than bounties, there were no drops and, when factoring in travel time, did I see anything wonderful. Add up all the time spent scanning and finding nothing because other peeps already got the site. that's what i fear.
Sandrestal wrote:You forget the disadvantages. Sanctums were nerfed. Everyone and his brother are looking for anoms. One red in a cloaky ship will prevent you from both ratting and doing anoms (unless you are stupid and want to run the risk of a BO's gang landing on you. While lvl 4 missions won't earn you as much as a really good anom, you can do as many lvl 4 high sec missions as you want without interference.
i do my farming on a peaceful system without red, and where there is enough anomalies for everyone most of the time. so not really a problem here. |

Nimrod Nemesis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2011.10.31 14:57:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote: Ummm, so why would someone in that enviable situation begrudge other people choosing to play eve in some other way, and make lots of isk if that's their thing?
I don't, but i'm suggesting that, if that is OP's goal, he need not pine for NPC nullsec to be re-designed with his wallet in mind. There are plenty of other places where one can become isk-rich with much less effort.
Substantia Nigra wrote: I have no problem with people choosing to play pvp in nullsec, so why would they be unhappy that I choose some other thing to do?
If nullsec were for isk-grinding and not pvp, you'd have a useful juxtaposition there, but that isn't the case. NPC nullsec is -clearly- a place intended for unrestricted pvp without the hassles (or rewards) of sov. space and it's upgrades.
Substantia Nigra wrote: It just strikes me as odd that some people get upset at others wanting to do things differently.
I think you missed my point. I'm not upset with the OP. I just think opportunities to make isk are already around and there is no reason to taint these regions of space in question with lucrative isk-faucets.
Substantia Nigra wrote: I guess this means I am never gonna be expert at any one thing, but it does sadden me a little to see people take a uni-dimensional view of their life in eve. There is so much to do, yet so many choose to complain rather than get out there and try all that different stuff.
Uni-dimensional? No, I make enough isk to support myself in npc 0.0. I'm primarily concerned with pvp, yes, but it isn't all i'm capable of understanding. You and the OP might want to complain that there isn't enough isk to be made there or that it's a trajedy you can't be as rich as some incursion runner, but I really don't care. As I said, there are plenty of places to make your fortune, we don't need every region of space to be as lucrative as possible so you can amass a useless fortune of space-bucks regardless of where you are.
If your heart's desire is to be space-rich with little or no risk, go to Jita or join an incursion flogging corp. Just don't beg CCP to tarnish regions designed with pvp in mind because you are obsessed with isk. |

Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
84
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Posted - 2011.10.31 16:30:00 -
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Nimrod Nemesis wrote:Just don't beg CCP to tarnish regions designed with pvp in mind because you are obsessed with isk. make sense to me that if you want to battle for a place, it's because this place give you more (isk ? e-peen ?) than another. EVE is a game where you battle for territories and ressources. and if you want to abttle for them, there must be a reason to. if the only thing you want is something to shoot, there's easier way than nullsec, like RvB for example. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.31 17:34:00 -
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Sorry if this is harsh, but if you aren't making more in null doing anomalies than you are in high sec running missions, you're doing something terribly, HORRIBLY wrong.
I have 4 accounts, I maintain them all from the isk I make doing anoms (with a few bil left over). I've lived (and thus ratted / done anoms) in every corner of null sec except Sansha space (although I did occasionally go do some sansha plexes with friends who lived next do to tenerifis where I lived at the time). Again, if you aren't making hand over fist isk from anoms, YOU are doing something wrong.
Hell, you don't even need an upgraded system, "natural" anoms collect in dead end and underused null sec systems because more of the resident of a given region only do anoms in upgraded systems.
You have to use the right ships, the right ammo, and pick the right ones ("Sanctums" are for the unimaginative ones among us lol). As of right now, I "live" in guristas space and dual box anoms, 20 mil a tick per toon is the LOW END lol. I don't even include faction spawns and escalations in my income calculations, but those are a bonus. Made a bil off of a escalated Dread Guristas Fleet Staging point last night, for example. 1 hour a night of farming anoms pays for 4 accounts with plenty of isk left over to spend like a fool....
If you bother to tell me what rats you are trying to kill, I can tell you exactly where you are going wrong. But (to beat a dead horse), null sec is fine, it's whatever you are doing is what the problem is |

King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
30
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Posted - 2011.10.31 17:41:00 -
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Sandrestal wrote:King Rothgar wrote:Anoms have 4 advantages over missions: you don't have to change systems, you don't have to dock, bigger spawn size and bigger bounty per npc. If you can't make more isk with those advantages then your problem is a lack of dps/tank. If you're warping out constantly, you remove three of the advantages since they revolve around being able to stay put instead of moving around. If it's a lack of dps, you just haven't reached a point yet where the time in moving around plays a significant role in isk generation. You forget the disadvantages. Sanctums were nerfed. Everyone and his brother are looking for anoms. One red in a cloaky ship will prevent you from both ratting and doing anoms (unless you are stupid and want to run the risk of a BO's gang landing on you. While lvl 4 missions won't earn you as much as a really good anom, you can do as many lvl 4 high sec missions as you want without interference.
You're not a very good player then. I run lvl5's in a carrier with PL cyno alts in local (we aren't even on smacktalk terms ), doesn't phase me even the slightest till they launch probes. Even then I'll stick around if I think I can finish before they actually show up. The fact is you should be aligned and not pointed, reds in local are largely irrelevant assuming a little competence on your part. I've done all my pve in low/null/w-space since late 2008 and haven't lost a single pve ship to players during that time. And as stated, I'm not shy about doing pve with hostiles in system.
As for all the sites being run, 90% or more of null sec doesn't have anyone in it. Just move a few systems away if your current one is too heavily farmed. |

Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
134
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Posted - 2011.10.31 17:51:00 -
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Nimrod Nemesis wrote:If your heart's desire is to be space-rich with little or no risk, go to Jita or join an incursion flogging corp. Just don't beg CCP to tarnish regions designed with pvp in mind because you are obsessed with isk.
LOL, excellent. I got no laundry list  We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |

Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
84
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Posted - 2011.10.31 22:01:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Sorry if this is harsh, but if you aren't making more in null doing anomalies than you are in high sec running missions, you're doing something terribly, HORRIBLY wrong. the title of the topic itself say that i think i'm doing it wrong :P
Jenn aSide wrote:You have to use the right ships, the right ammo, and pick the right ones ("Sanctums" are for the unimaginative ones among us lol). As of right now, I "live" in guristas space and dual box anoms, 20 mil a tick per toon is the LOW END lol. got a question here ; yeah i know it tick at 20M isk, but how much time do you need to complete it ? and to make it clear : how much isk do you make BY CHARACTER by hour doing these anomalies ?
and bonus question : do you think the complexes are valuable enough to do it everytime ? for exemple i have a 10/10 on my alt currently, but from what i talked with my corp, most of them don't consider the reward is enough to bother doing this. (note : i never did one, only read, and talked about, never did it myself) |

Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
134
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Posted - 2011.10.31 23:10:00 -
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I'm not in a position to comment on the efficiency, or otherwise, of your nullsec efforts. I do, however, share similar experiences and have faced the same dilemma.
I think a big part of the 'problem' is that those of us who've lived in w-space a while get kinda spoiled for income. So when we return to the 'real' world of missions and plexes and the like we are all-to-easily disappointed. It's a big step from half-a-bill in a session and a-billion-plus per week every week, to what you can earn in hisec, lowsec, nullsec.
One of my corpmates maintains a small group of low-skill alts running their w-system while he potters around doing the various other stuff he wants to. It doesn't take much to run a drake or two and use a C3 to keep a good stream of iskies trickling in. I found I could not do this in my C4, because it needed our higher-skilled characters to clear the sites. When my eve-time again becomes a little more reliable it is also my plan to setup again in a C3, purely for income purposes.
That may not suit you, but it's just how we've approached a similar 'problem'.
We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2011.11.01 07:07:00 -
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you need to do exploration. i just started running nullsec radar, combat and DED sites. made about 1.2 bill in 3 days.
anomalies are nothing, L4's are garbage. dont even waste your time. fit a Tengu or an Ishtar and probe stuff out. |

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2011.11.01 07:45:00 -
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Raid'En wrote:
and bonus question : do you think the complexes are valuable enough to do it everytime ? for exemple i have a 10/10 on my alt currently, but from what i talked with my corp, most of them don't consider the reward is enough to bother doing this. (note : i never did one, only read, and talked about, never did it myself)
10/10 may not be worth the effort, but a 6/10 or a 8/10 definitely is. they are soloable too, while the 10/10 requires at least one or two more people with you. the other day i did a 6/10 in about 40 minutes, and got about 400mill from overseer loot and faction drop. recently i also did a 8/10, which took about an hour, and i netted 250mill. so it definitely depends. but definitely worth it.
i actually wanted to do some WH stuff solo, but C3's are definitely much less profitable than combat/radar site running in nullsec. might join a corp down the road to do some C5/C6. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11
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Posted - 2011.11.01 12:31:00 -
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Raid'En wrote: got a question here ; yeah i know it tick at 20M isk, but how much time do you need to complete it ?
Complete what? the anoms I'm doing?
Forsaken Hub = 6.5 to 7 minutes each
Pirate Gate Haven = 10 to 11 minutes
Cloud Haven = 17 minutes
Ring Sanctum = 15 minutes
Quote: and to make it clear : how much isk do you make BY CHARACTER by hour doing these anomalies ? (i would appreciate if you include the number of characters you use while doing it, and ships types)
Lol, I already told you how much I make. 2 characters, 20 mil per tick, 120 mil an hour (before corp taxes) minimum. Not counting escalations and faction spawns, I pull in a good 3-4 bil a month if I only spend an hour or 2a day doing anoms. 30-40 minutes a day farming forsaken hubs or pirate havens is enough to pay for 4 accounts.
I use a Mach (pretty standard fit) and a Tengu (with FoF missles because im lazy, except in the pirate gate haven and ring sanctum because of structures, then I use scourge furies).
Mach can solo everything, don't need the tengu, just had it and the pilot laying around.
Started out with Maelstrom, then Maelstrom + Drake. Bought the Mach and tengu with isk from using those.
Quote: and bonus question : do you think the complexes are valuable enough to do it everytime ? for exemple i have a 10/10 on my alt currently, but from what i talked with my corp, most of them don't consider the reward is enough to bother doing this. (note : i never did one, only read, and talked about, never did it myself)
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Excuse me for saying this, but your corp seems to suck at PVE lol.
10/10s are always worth it, IF (wait for it) you do it right).
For the Guristas 10/10 you at least get 23 tier overseers each time. thats 133 mil. cloaky/nullified scout-Tank Tengu with 4 HMLs and the drones from a mach can blitz a MAZE in 30-40 minutes (knowing which gates to go through, killing only dire frigs, cloak on the mach to cloak up between spawns in last room). Even having to go 4-8 jumps to get there, it's worth it.
Angel 10/10 takes more time because you have to clear 4 rooms, but you get at least 2 OPEs as compensation
Sansha and BR 10/10s usually take 3 ships but are quick. You CAN do it with 2 ships (passive tanked loki in the Blood Raider one and some reps and rep drones on your dps ship), but that is risky, better to have tank loki, guardian and a true dps ship.
But yea, people who say 10/10s aren't worth it are just doing it wrong.
Quote: what i really need to know currently is if i have to invest more in nullsec (easier given i want to play mostly here currently given i pvp here), or go back to wormhole to make money (which means i have to change a lot of my plans to make this possible without hurting my pvp, so it would be a pain). the fact being that for now, i make 4 times more money with my knowledge on wormhole, and so it's tempting even if i don't want to... this thread is so i can understand if i'm wrong enough to make so it's like only 2 times more, meaning farming on null is okay enough to avoid thinking about another solution.
Incursions and Wormholes make the same or more money than null, and the investment null takes can be higher. CCP might change that one day, but thats how it is. I'm just do my thing in null (I do have an incursion/mission alt for when my slice of null sec is unavailable) because I like it best, it's really just a matter of preferance. |

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I found that finding ded complexes and running sanctums to be fun and highly profitable. Running one 6/10 plex raked in over 100 mil and all i needed was 2 other guys to help out (this was in null). Just ratting in my system i had 10mil dollar clicks. Maybe you are doing someting wrong? The risk/reward was way higher in null, and not nearly as steady as missioning but it was profitable. |
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