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KnowUsByTheDead
The Lunatic Fringe
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Posted - 2013.09.18 11:41:00 -
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So I have reached this point in my EVE career where I have reached complete and utter apathy toward this game.
This realization did not come during a structure bash. It did not come running some mission. It didn't occur sitting in a belt, chewing on rocks. It came in a "plexing fleet" of 40 people working in absolute synchronicity to turn 5-6 systems over in the course of two days. It happened in a completely dynamic, player created setting...but for some reason, despite the chaos of that kind of fleet...I just couldn't have fun.
Some people in EvE call it "bittervet syndrome." But I think it is something a little deeper than that. I have 18 characters who shall remain nameless for obvious purposes . Don't wan't to get banned or anything.
Several of the characters are trained specifically, and to be quite honest, move like a well-oiled machine...pulling in passive income...able to be adequately appropriated at the exact moment, for the exact purpose I need them.
My "mains" on the other hand, are not as streamlined, so to speak. They were my first three characters, all made within a month of one another, when I was still learning what was what, and what I wanted to do.
I find myself playing more often than not on one of the streamlined characters, making my passive income my focus...and we all know EvE isn't about making isk...it should be about having fun.
So what happens when I reach this point of apathy on my mains? Do I quit? Do I sell the characters and start over? Do I just say, "**** it," and biomass, and restart from there? How does one justify throwing away 150mil collective SP across three characters, no matter how it is being done?
Curious as to whether anyone else has reached this impasse, and how they overcame it. Security class of systems has nothing to do with it. Unlike a lot of people (it seems), I am not terrified of losing ships, and flying recklessly to merely DIAF. Done the lowsec thing, done the nullsec sov grind, done the endless herding of cats in highsec. How does one overcome the apathy?
Side note: No, you cannot have my stuff. Not quitting, necessarily. And if I did, I would trash it first, and provide a juicy video of the assets going down the drain...just to give the proverbial middle finger to all of you damn knaves. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |

Bobinu
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
5
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Posted - 2013.09.18 11:43:00 -
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Take a Break, keep your characters skilling, come back in a week! |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
44944
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Posted - 2013.09.18 11:45:00 -
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I'll give you credit for being original, int that it's not a Rage Quit Post.
Bu it is new kind of "I'm Threatening to Quit" Poast or something. I guess. |

Mr Defiant
The Restless Masquerade Hedonistic Imperative
0
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Posted - 2013.09.18 11:45:00 -
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What you do, is that you get rid of all your accounts (sell 'em) except the three first. You should now have enough isks to be able to sub those the for a year, and spend the rest on HAVING fun.
Simple as that. Your need to make 18 accounts subscriptionfee (plex) is messing up your zen dude.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1232
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Posted - 2013.09.18 11:56:00 -
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Mr Defiant wrote:What you do, is that you get rid of all your accounts (sell 'em) except the three first. You should now have enough isks to be able to sub those the for a year, and spend the rest on HAVING fun.
Simple as that. Your need to make 18 accounts subscriptionfee (plex) is messing up your zen dude.
Actually, he has 18 chars, so more likely 6 accounts. But suggesting that he stop subbing on 5 of them will strike terror into the hearts of the CCP accounting and marketing depts. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

KnowUsByTheDead
The Lunatic Fringe
271
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Posted - 2013.09.18 11:58:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I'll give you credit for being original, int that it's not a Rage Quit Post.
But it is new kind of "I'm Threatening to Quit" Poast or something. I guess.
Not really threatening to quit.....just want to know how to get over the endless apathy. It's like...
1. Log-in. 2. Stare at my queue for about 20 minutes or so, blankly. 3. Spin my ship while talking aimlessly on TS, or in corp chat. 4. Undock for 20-30 minutes...get bored. 5. Dock and log.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |

Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1169
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Posted - 2013.09.18 11:58:00 -
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It's called burnout. Quit being a turbonerd and enjoy the game as a game. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |

KnowUsByTheDead
The Lunatic Fringe
271
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:03:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Mr Defiant wrote:What you do, is that you get rid of all your accounts (sell 'em) except the three first. You should now have enough isks to be able to sub those the for a year, and spend the rest on HAVING fun.
Simple as that. Your need to make 18 accounts subscriptionfee (plex) is messing up your zen dude.
Actually, he has 18 chars, so more likely 6 accounts. But suggesting that he stop subbing on 5 of them will strike terror into the hearts of the CCP accounting and marketing depts.
Actually 18 across 8, but close. And I don't really want to throw away the passive income, as that allows me to send ships to the proverbial "ship afterlife." I can do passive income with no time at all, and just let it sit, until reset times. Either with PI or marketing. Point is, the apathy on the actual "playing" characters is what is making me wonder why I am still playing. Not lack of isk or anything like that.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1324
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:04:00 -
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Hi KnowUsByTheDead,
I think you have identified your problem, perhaps just not willing to accept the solution. My advice to you would be to pick a maximum of 3 of your characters and be done with the rest. You're spoilt for choice and ISK grinding is the trap you have allowed youself to fall in to.
Ask yourself what you have not yet done, but choose a single character. Having all those characters is doing your in game entertainment harm. You need to break away, take a fresh look at things, even if just with one single character. Sell the rest, go big, try everything in this game you have not yet tried with that one, single character. This will only work if you are sincere with yourself and get rid of all the rest of the characters.
Do that and then take a break for a week, a month.
My 2c worth.
o7
Personnel Division Director - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse CEO Sanctuary Pact Alliance --áSanctuary Pact |

Eternus8lux8lucis
Journies End
202
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:10:00 -
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Yup after 10 years and 22 accounts Ive finally gotten there myself.
Answer is a goal. Having and creating and striving towards goals in game can keep you motivated and moving and growing. Set longer term goals and provide small steps towards it.
My problem atm is I have completed pretty much every goal Ive created and I dont have a goal anymore. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3412
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:12:00 -
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"Messing up your zen" is very well put.
You have too many alts, resulting in loss of immersion and attachment to your capsuleer avatar.
It's common in this game to focus on min-maxing the rather simple individual systems that form New Eden. Once you "win" such system, you experience "the bittervet syndrome", possibly in the best case even some short-lived triumph. Then you'll move on to the next feature, until you run out of the things you can imagine to be doing.
Many take a break, or as they call it "quit EVE" (lol), or some return to the mindset they had when they first started EVE- they realize they are actually playing a science fiction game about immortal capsuleers capsuleering in a dystopic universe, and that for years they've forgotten the fiction part, and only focused on turning a game into a science.
Ultimately the sustainable way to enjoy computer games is to give reigns to your inner child, the one who controls your imagination. Leave the goals and achievements to real life, stop trying to win a game that has no points, plot or even an end- just be a capsuleer.
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1326
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:14:00 -
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Roime wrote:"Messing up your zen" is very well put.
You have too many alts, resulting in loss of immersion and attachment to your capsuleer avatar.
It's common in this game to focus on min-maxing the rather simple individual systems that form New Eden. Once you "win" such system, you experience "the bittervet syndrome", possibly in the best case even some short-lived triumph. Then you'll move on to the next feature, until you run out of the things you can imagine to be doing.
Many take a break, or as they call it "quit EVE" (lol), or some return to the mindset they had when they first started EVE- they realize they are actually playing a science fiction game about immortal capsuleers capsuleering in a dystopic universe, and that for years they've forgotten the fiction part, and only focused on turning a game into a science.
Ultimately the sustainable way to enjoy computer games is to give reigns to your inner child, the one who controls your imagination. Leave the goals and achievements to real life, stop trying to win a game that has no points, plot or even an end- just be a capsuleer.
Excellent advice.
Personnel Division Director - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse CEO Sanctuary Pact Alliance --áSanctuary Pact |

KnowUsByTheDead
The Lunatic Fringe
273
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:15:00 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Yup after 10 years and 22 accounts Ive finally gotten there myself.
Answer is a goal. Having and creating and striving towards goals in game can keep you motivated and moving and growing. Set longer term goals and provide small steps towards it.
My problem atm is I have completed pretty much every goal Ive created and I dont have a goal anymore.
You know, this could very well be the case. Never really had a goal. The goal has always just been "more." More contacts. More isk. More whatever. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |

Kalrissia
Golden Talon Industries Total Justification
4
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:18:00 -
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We all suffer from burnout, or more locally known as stages of bitter vet desease. It comes with knowing what there is and and running out of new stuff to make the heart flutter.
There are ways round this Obviously there is the try new options approach such as start a new corp or join a new one to meet new people, those that have more excitement about the game than yourself. Or try something you have never tried in a different way.
The other is start afresh without the ties and bounds that come with... ahem... getting old.
Another is... try other games like WoT or somesuch. Hell, it doesn't have to be an online game, in fact offline can be preferable. The good thing about Eve is you train without having to be online. there are positives and negatives about that issue but nothing I will go into here.
I guess you are in a rut. Same old stuff. When Eve becomes as mundane as work or getting up in the morning then it's time to try another job for a while or sleep in. |

KnowUsByTheDead
The Lunatic Fringe
274
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:30:00 -
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Kalrissia wrote:We all suffer from burnout, or more locally known as stages of bitter vet desease. It comes with knowing what there is and and running out of new stuff to make the heart flutter.
There are ways round this Obviously there is the try new options approach such as start a new corp or join a new one to meet new people, those that have more excitement about the game than yourself. Or try something you have never tried in a different way.
The other is start afresh without the ties and bounds that come with... ahem... getting old.
Another is... try other games like WoT or somesuch. Hell, it doesn't have to be an online game, in fact offline can be preferable. The good thing about Eve is you train without having to be online. there are positives and negatives about that issue but nothing I will go into here.
I guess you are in a rut. Same old stuff. When Eve becomes as mundane as work or getting up in the morning then it's time to try another job for a while or sleep in.
So, I am curious, is it merely the fact that I do not get that "rush," anymore? Some examples:
-Getting pointed and losing my first dessie in the lowsec systems around Arnon, during the Sisters arc. -Getting suicided for the first time, making the newb mistake of traveling the "highway" with all of my assets, In an industrial, not knowing any better. -My first heist. -My first pvp roam. -My first pvp fight (I lost, lol.) -My first pvp win. -The first time I flew in a 1000 man battle.
So on and so on...you get the drift. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1327
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:32:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Kalrissia wrote:We all suffer from burnout, or more locally known as stages of bitter vet desease. It comes with knowing what there is and and running out of new stuff to make the heart flutter.
There are ways round this Obviously there is the try new options approach such as start a new corp or join a new one to meet new people, those that have more excitement about the game than yourself. Or try something you have never tried in a different way.
The other is start afresh without the ties and bounds that come with... ahem... getting old.
Another is... try other games like WoT or somesuch. Hell, it doesn't have to be an online game, in fact offline can be preferable. The good thing about Eve is you train without having to be online. there are positives and negatives about that issue but nothing I will go into here.
I guess you are in a rut. Same old stuff. When Eve becomes as mundane as work or getting up in the morning then it's time to try another job for a while or sleep in. So, I am curious, is it merely the fact that I do not get that "rush," anymore? Some examples: -Getting pointed and losing my first dessie in the lowsec systems around Arnon, during the Sisters arc. -Getting suicided for the first time, making the newb mistake of traveling the "highway" with all of my assets, In an industrial, not knowing any better. -My first heist. -My first pvp roam. -My first pvp fight (I lost, lol.) -My first pvp win. -The first time I flew in a 1000 man battle. So on and so on...you get the drift.
When was the last time you did one of the above - with just one character ?
Personnel Division Director - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse CEO Sanctuary Pact Alliance --áSanctuary Pact |

KnowUsByTheDead
The Lunatic Fringe
274
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:36:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:
When was the last time you did one of the above - with just one character ?
To be quite honest...not since my first month or two. With the exception of my first 1000 man fight. That was about a year into playing and I only moved a single character out to get the feeling of null sec. Since then, it has all been about maintaining the wallet. And I don't want it to be like that...because then it IS just a job. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |

Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
708
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:42:00 -
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Personally, I'd start by consolidating my characters. 18 is a lot. I'm sure there's plenty you don't use or could easily do without. Sell some, biomass useless one, work yourself down to say 9. With you new stash of cash, do something new. Start a revolution or realise some crazy idea. There are many corps out there breaking the mould, and there's no reason you couldn't start something that does just that. Find a part of the game you feel has a good potential to be made great through in game means and make it happen. Like how RvB decided thy wanted arena combat, so they started just that, and how E-UNI wanted to train noobies, so they did just that. EVE is huge, and while you may have pushed the limits on the potential of in game mechanics, I doubt you've pushed the limits on your potential, the potential to create something from the sandbox. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |

Kyra Quinn
We Are Really Scary
67
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:42:00 -
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As I have no idea on how the game is for a vet player this might sound silly but to me it seems like you have everything automated and streamlined to the point where it's all boring and meaningless, where a loss really doesn't matter and you effectively turned what should be entertaining into a job.
Perhaps have a go at the "less is more" attitude and put your main characters and income on hold, it's not like more isk means more fun, create a fresh character then start from scratch don't give him any help whatsoever, forcing you to actually make it work and perhaps join some newer or up and rising corp. Stick to that ONE character for a bit and set yourself a goal that isn't a numerical one (SP, isk or the likes) that requires you to be active and forces you to either make choices (because of only having one char) or team with others.
If you're not having fun with what you're doing then the only solution is to stop doing it and try it a different way. Low SP character + cheap ships = no isk issues and possibly more fun. The adventures of a newbie: http://kyraquinn.wordpress.com/ |

Ra Jackson
the unified Negative Ten.
181
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:46:00 -
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It's kinda like with a girl/wife. Either you find yourself aspects that keep you interested, or you get bored with her one day and just stay with her because it's a familiar thing to do - or you leave. |

Velicitia
Aliastra
1587
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:52:00 -
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Well, I ran into this myself (not quite as many accounts ... but the same burnout) ... so what I did was roll a NEW account, and told myself there would be no ties between myself (i.e. Vel) and the new toon ... no ISK, no ships, no affiliation to my corp, no nothing. The only thing I was bringing to the new acct was my (player) skills.
Hopped on board with some newbie corp, and went along for the ride while they made mistakes, and just had fun. One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |

KnowUsByTheDead
The Lunatic Fringe
274
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:55:00 -
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Ra Jackson wrote:It's kinda like with a girl/wife. Either you find yourself aspects that keep you interested, or you get bored with her one day and just stay with her because it's a familiar thing to do - or you leave.
Ironically, you are not far off base there, lol.
The consensus seems to be....
1. Downsize by selling off characters. 2. Do this afterwards. 3A. Focus on my mains, living off of the fruits of my time. 3B. Take an "EvE Break" 3C. Start a new character free of affiliations with a direct aim and goal. 4. Apathy cured !!!!!!!! Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |

Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2013.09.18 12:56:00 -
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Sounds like you have no goal anymore. It won't change until you find a new one. But with all these chars you get way too much material security, so there's no real excitment anymore, unless you set a really BIG goal. Another possibility for you is roleplay : Roleplayer don't care about your skills or money. They care about your creativity and ability to immerse yourself into the game's universe. |

KnowUsByTheDead
The Lunatic Fringe
274
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Posted - 2013.09.18 13:01:00 -
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Tao Dolcino wrote:Sounds like you have no goal anymore. It won't change until you find a new one. But with all these chars you get way too much material security, so there's no real excitment anymore, unless you set a really BIG goal. Another possibility for you is roleplay : Roleplayer don't care about your skills or money. They care about your creativity and ability to immerse yourself into the game's universe.
Roleplay is interesting. But it is kinda seen as that dark,weird side of EVE. Kinda like when you are side bar surfing Youtube and end up in some "far out there" places. Not sure if I am quite ready to go there yet, lol. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |

Julius Priscus
135
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Posted - 2013.09.18 13:05:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:It's called burnout. Quit being a turbonerd and enjoy the game as a game.
pretty much this...
if ya leave the game... just let ya accounts die a natural death and return when you feel like it.. -»\_(pâä)_/-»-á Sup cracka ! |

archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.09.18 13:11:00 -
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Ok OP this is what you do!.. send me all your ISK and start a new character, this isn't over yet..on top of it go join a new player driven corp thats large, and play a silly newb for few months with out using any assets that you may have left!
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KnowUsByTheDead
The Lunatic Fringe
274
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Posted - 2013.09.18 13:15:00 -
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archon o'v wrote: Ok OP this is what you do!.. send me all your ISK and start a new character, this isn't over yet..on top of it go join a new player driven corp thats large, and play a silly newb for few months with out using any assets that you may have left!
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Side note: No, you cannot have my stuff. Not quitting, necessarily. And if I did, I would trash it first, and provide a juicy video of the assets going down the drain...just to give the proverbial middle finger to all of you damn knaves.
'Nuff Said. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |

Jessi Burns
Yancey and Bruns Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2013.09.18 13:24:00 -
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With 18 characters I would say walk outside sometime. |

Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
511
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Posted - 2013.09.18 13:26:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:So I have reached this point in my EVE career where I have reached complete and utter apathy toward this game. This realization did not come during a structure bash. It did not come running some mission. It didn't occur sitting in a belt, chewing on rocks. It came in a "plexing fleet" of 40 people working in absolute synchronicity to turn 5-6 systems over in the course of two days. It happened in a completely dynamic, player created setting...but for some reason, despite the chaos of that kind of fleet...I just couldn't have fun. Some people in EvE call it "bittervet syndrome." But I think it is something a little deeper than that. I have 18 characters who shall remain nameless for obvious purposes  . Don't wan't to get banned or anything. Several of the characters are trained specifically, and to be quite honest, move like a well-oiled machine...pulling in passive income...able to be adequately appropriated at the exact moment, for the exact purpose I need them. My "mains" on the other hand, are not as streamlined, so to speak. They were my first three characters, all made within a month of one another, when I was still learning what was what, and what I wanted to do. I find myself playing more often than not on one of the streamlined characters, making my passive income my focus...and we all know EvE isn't about making isk...it should be about having fun. So what happens when I reach this point of apathy on my mains? Do I quit? Do I sell the characters and start over? Do I just say, "**** it," and biomass, and restart from there? How does one justify throwing away 150mil collective SP across three characters, no matter how it is being done? Curious as to whether anyone else has reached this impasse, and how they overcame it. Security class of systems has nothing to do with it. Unlike a lot of people (it seems), I am not terrified of losing ships, and flying recklessly to merely DIAF. Done the lowsec thing, done the nullsec sov grind, done the endless herding of cats in highsec. How does one overcome the apathy? Side note: No, you cannot have my stuff. Not quitting, necessarily. And if I did, I would trash it first, and provide a juicy video of the assets going down the drain...just to give the proverbial middle finger to all of you damn knaves.
Complacency through stagnation eh...
Find something new.
You have those passive income accounts? Keep them. Use them to fund a SRP for your new corp members.
What new corp members? The ones you are now recruiting to find something new to to do.
Aren't sure what to try?
Pick one. See if you can create an empire in 6 months and go and take sov. Build a corp specifically to take over a wormhole.
Switch teams in FW.
Build a capital to specifically lose it (Marlona's flight of 1000 rifter event for instance).
Again, have fun!
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
1328
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Posted - 2013.09.18 13:31:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:
When was the last time you did one of the above - with just one character ?
To be quite honest...not since my first month or two. With the exception of my first 1000 man fight. That was about a year into playing and I only moved a single character out to get the feeling of null sec. Since then, it has all been about maintaining the wallet. And I don't want it to be like that...because then it IS just a job.
Given that, I can understand where you're coming from. You know what to do, go on, get away from these forums, grab a frosty, sit down and make some tough decisions 
Personnel Division Director - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse CEO Sanctuary Pact Alliance --áSanctuary Pact |
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