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Moggi
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Posted - 2003.08.23 11:42:00 -
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EVE: "perhaps even too real.. trading, fighting and communicating with other players..."[
Well, couple of my friends and me took that too serious.
We were looking for new ideas to get isk in eve and finally found one.
You can hire us.
We infiltrate your enemy corp.
We are doing spionage, sabotage and psychological warfare.
Of course, some of you may not like the idea, but believe us, its funny as hell.
In this special case, one of our customers hired us to do the "special package".
Just two days after we started we received the first GM Warning.
We were sending propaganda via ingame mail to selected corp members. The GM said this is spam and our teammate was blocked for 24 hrs.
Second step was to create a char with a similar name and a similar corp tag as the target corp.
This char was just flying around in their home system, giving out fake orders via mail and chat.
-GM responded immediatly to this and warned us that we have to delete this char, otherwise they will do it.
???
This whole thing turns into a "be nice to each other - we love you all game"
Our char was NOT in their corp chat, a look into the corp chat and everybody should know, that is was not the real one.
We only took advantage of what eve provides.
Being careful and alert should be a part of every good cooperation.
Instead they just start to cry and contact a GM which is immediatly willing to take care of this crap.
So what now ? Shall we stop and go back to mining ?
This Game will be dead within 6 Month if it stays like this.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.23 11:45:00 -
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Yeah, Eve really should cater for those too feeble and weak to fight/work for what they want.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
John Zeppe
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Posted - 2003.08.23 11:46:00 -
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Oh boo hoo, I can't rob corporations by trying to fake my way in, boo hoo!
[/Jim Raynors carebear song] 
You know, if you do it the real way you might even be allowed to do it.
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zincol
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Posted - 2003.08.23 11:48:00 -
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ccp are removing my items because they arnt released yet! i paid alot of isk and they are taking them away and giving me nuffin not even my isk back This game is gettin outa control LoL!
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.23 11:49:00 -
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zincol,
You got your tech 5 stuff taken away?
No little reward?
That sucks.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Moggi
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Posted - 2003.08.23 12:00:00 -
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We are NOT robbing cooperations. We do it the psychological way.
For instance, we take out megacyte of the corp hangar and put it into one of the member hangars and then tell the management that something is missing.
You wouldnt believe what is going on inside the corps after you do such a thing.
Spreading out rumours is another nice thing.
Stopping a 6 day bp copying progress when only 15 minutes are left is also quite cool.
And so on..
We are just doing the full program like every inteligency service would do it.
Everything we do is based on actual real live example out of spybooks.
No robbery.
Just sabotage.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.23 12:01:00 -
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Sounds kinda boring.
Want some guns so you can go out and do something fun and useful?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Valeria
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Posted - 2003.08.23 12:53:00 -
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Actually I think what Gandafler is doing is very valid and shouldn't be hindered by GMs. This is supposed to be a PvP game... but PvP doesn't really have anything to do with guns.
Your 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes some nublar, wrecking for 1155.0 damage. |
Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.23 12:55:00 -
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Welcome to EVE: The Carebear Genesis, where GMs will hinder you at playing the game to "protect" others.
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Johrenn
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Posted - 2003.08.23 13:03:00 -
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I don't condone in any way what you're doing, but the sadly funny thing is, if you just stole it and deleted the character, the GM's would do *NOTHING!* 
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Director, Department of Industrial Yards |
Tsaya
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Posted - 2003.08.23 13:30:00 -
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Sorry to say that, but the initial post is pathethic. I would really like to not call it that, but you made it too hard.
*shrugs*
If you tell me you send "some" members "a few" mails, thats not spam. But from your whole attitude and your follow-up post you could as likely have spammed them with mails and ran to the forums, whining, after you were asked to stop. Here, take a handkerchief, and go away.
About the second issue. Impersonating other people with your intentions is strictly forbidden. Go create a character named "Angel Ambusher" or so, and join the other imposers on the gates to get deleted, or hopefully banned.
While psychological warfare in general sounds like a nice option in eve(like the relocating thing you mentioned), i welcome the GM actions you whined about.
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Entity
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Posted - 2003.08.23 13:31:00 -
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Heh, I'd say keep doing what you are doing, but keep it "Psychological warfare" rather than "Harassment". There's a really thin line between the two.
PvP isn't all about shooting the other guy's ship. Using psychology, deception, negative propaganda, etc, are all perfectly valid strategies in war. EVE provides the means to do so. This "****" happens in real life, too.
Anyway, I quote the box:
... Conceive a new life without boundaries, where murder, plunder, betrayal and delusions of grandeur will lead you to boundless glory or to the brink of ruin. The galaxy is yours to control if you have the brains, strength and cunning to succeed.
Thousands of solar systems await exploration, exploitation, and corruption at the hands of you and your friends...
Maybe they should have put the Ten Commandments at the back instead of this blurb 
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.08.23 14:01:00 -
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In the game of EVE, I believe that you should be allowed to do whatever you wish. However, there should be tools and means of your discovery, and that is where the snag is. Moving the Mega and stopping the BP copy are actions that can not be traced in the game as of yet. In RL, crimes can be caught on video or by guards. There are no such sa***uards here, and as such are a problem because the crime can be committed without detection, always.
The CEO though should have the Mega restricted as a sa***uard, but the BP research is something that can not be prevented. Rather than giving you warnings though, CCP needs to work out viable counter measures for these types of crimes so all things may be equal.
Sarkos - Oracle
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2003.08.23 18:13:00 -
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There are so many things wrong with this it's amazing. But instead of going into them lets go with the Pirats favorite excuse (though what is exactly the risk a BS has from an Indy )
If there was an risk to your avatar then this would be a valid play style. I for instance you were caught spying and were imprisoned for a few week (could not play or del avatar) then and onlyt then would it be acceptable.
As it is you are just another griefer refusing to accept responsibility for your action. Worse you are setting the game back months because now the devs have to stop fixing the bug, adding content and working on the story line just to close the loop hole you have been using.
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Jojin
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Posted - 2003.08.23 18:27:00 -
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The ideas you have are sound and should be allowed if the associated risks are involved.
With the ability to create alternate characters, which can be disposed of at will and have no ties or impact to your main character, there is no risk. Now, if each player could only have one character, where getting caught in such actions would have great consequences, the actions would be sanctioned.
For example if someone was caught and word spread through the empire that John Doe, the Amarr, was a spy and should not be trusted and John Doe was the only character the player had. He would then have to change his name or somehow overcome the negative consequences of being caught. Heck, this could even lead to the ability to have plastic surgery (Character portrait mod), new identity (Character name change) within the game, or fake identities. This would allow for the footprints of the player to be left behind and use of other in game mechanics to track down the real perpetrator.
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.23 18:28:00 -
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i smell GM bias here.
Normally they just say "tough its part of the game"
since when do they tell people with similar names to other people that they arent allowed to have that name? its BS! (unless you try call yourself GM_Ponzer or something)
ok, as our CEO is the Origional Tristan in game (character wise) and its his real name too... all those other people beter change their names fast, theres about 8 other tristans in game. i DEMAND the GM's sort them out and make them play by the latest rules (you do seem to change/makethem up each week)
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Wingleader Teerts
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Posted - 2003.08.23 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Wingleader Teerts on 23/08/2003 18:40:36
Well - on one hand its a thing about moral, isnt it? On the other hand, why shouldnt people use everythig which is in the game ?
CCP decided to give 3 chars out- well...
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.23 18:42:00 -
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Thats BS.
several people have similar names to CME's CEO.
Go change their names then, or prove how inconsistent GM's are.
you know.. stuff like attacking players with GM characters, TWICE. then you aproach a gate without warning in a vulnerable ship, GM tagged, get blown up and whine about it?
you make the bloody rules up as you go along GM's!
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Moggi
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Posted - 2003.08.23 18:45:00 -
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It is clear that you have been trying to take advantage of the fact that your name and corporation name are similar to XXXXX
the CEO of XXXXX Corp.
You must delete this character or we will be forced to do it for you as the purpose of this character is fraud.Best regards, GM Mxxx
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2003.08.23 19:09:00 -
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There are no rules in EVE, its the most free game of all time...
you are entirely free to mine anything you like! From veld to ark and maybe soon even a higher royd then ark..;
So rejoyse all...mining is fun..
Why do i get the feeling that CCP is being payed for each 1 unit of ore we mine?
more bull**** to cover up bull**** that was created by bull****...
Its all bull****. Want a free and fun game? then dotn play EVE...nothing to see here..please move along!
 Originally by: cashman
It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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Whoopy
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Posted - 2003.08.23 19:32:00 -
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Nice try
nothing was infiltrated, all what he has done is founding a corp and sending mails which told that our members are robbing.
We laughed a day but then there were personally harassments and with that hes been over the line. What to do ? Kill him to stop that **** ? Impossible. Block for all members ? Then he could start to PK steal to throw our name into dirt.
Only way to stop him is a harassment petition and so his action found an end.
In RL you have the chance with the law.
Against PKŠs you have the chance to fight.
we only got justice with the help of a GM. Try next time better, youŠve been so bad in your actions that its much better to safe your time for better things to do.
Your mails are not worth the time to read.
I believe there is a life before death
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Quiz
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Posted - 2003.08.23 19:53:00 -
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Free doesnt equal anarchy.
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Moggi
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Posted - 2003.08.23 20:38:00 -
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There was no herassment. Thats pointless.
But of course, everybody has the right as a carebear to call a GM for help if they cant cope with a situation.
We were just doing our job, you did your job and the GMs did their job.
So lets hold hands now and sing together the happy mining song.
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Whoopy
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Posted - 2003.08.24 00:05:00 -
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You want to be a bad boy, let me be a carebear. You want a free choice, I also.
And theres a law in game that youve broken. So spoke the "judge" GM.
I believe there is a life before death
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Torik
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Posted - 2003.08.24 01:52:00 -
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This is another issue caused by the major flaw of EVE. You have all the tools to play a low-life disreputable character but are facing almost none of the risks associated with it in real life.
In real life the corp you were trying to discredit would send after you a group even more vicious than Moo or the other pirates in the game: LAWYERS. They would sue you for defamation, trademark infringementm, fraud, etc... They would have your assets seized to pay for damages and pretty much run you out of business. You would never do serious business in that region of space.
Now if they were a less law-minded corp, they would hire private detectives to track you down and then send some thugs to teach you a lesson.
Now in the game, you guys can just use disposable alts and you will be protected from any consequences. As such your actions should not be allowed until a system is in place that will give the other corp the tools to counteract your actions and enact proper punishment.
In fact if you really want to role play this, then the GMs are the lawyers and/or thugs the other corp has hired to get back at you. Which would make you the 'carebears'.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.24 02:11:00 -
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Too bad that two GM "judges" can have quite different opinions.
Impersonating a player char is NOT against the rules, impersonating a NPC is.
On the other hand it's too easy to impersonate someone with untraceable alts.
So, bascially, there is no good solution for this problem. CCP must do something against this problem, it must be possible to trace the names of the other chars of a player from one of his alts.
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nono
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Posted - 2003.08.24 02:38:00 -
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Quote:
Too bad that two GM "judges" can have quite different opinions.
Impersonating a player char is NOT against the rules, impersonating a NPC is.
On the other hand it's too easy to impersonate someone with untraceable alts.
So, bascially, there is no good solution for this problem. CCP must do something against this problem, it must be possible to trace the names of the other chars of a player from one of his alts.
BullPucky! You want the ability to trace multiple accounts too?
What if it wasn't an alt? What if the player involved only uses one character? Who the frig cares.
Just another attempt at getting alt names exposed.
Rules, judgements? What rules? Oh you mean the rules as of today, or was it yesterday. Lets see what the rules are tomorrow and the day after that.
The rules in this game are so vague and ever changing you can never play by the rules. Hell you don't even know you are breaking a rule until it's made up. And seemingly they are flexible rules applied only sometimes and not others.
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SISQO
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Posted - 2003.08.24 02:52:00 -
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Perfectly legitimate gameplay, keep it up fellas. I like the thought of espionage, spies, people spreading rumors creating distrust and suspicion of their own corp members. A way to prevent this is by having good leaders within the corporation to maintain order and trust. This will truly shut down some of the lower corps as EVERYONE can create a corp for a mere 500isk. Thats like everyone able to create their own version of eve, to many of something isn't a good thing.
People whining and *****ing about getting robbed.
1) NEVER, EVER, EVER, NEVER, give access to Corp Wallet, BP hangar to ANYONE but Directors/CEO, NO ******* EXCEPTIONS!
2) Put all the lower end, loot gear into one hangar for new members to equip themselves, if a new recruit robs it, whooping ******* do, its so cheap I can replace it out of my own pocket really. So if anyone bothers robbing that hangar is just an idiot.
3) Being VERY, VERY selective of who you make an officer.
4) If you follow all of these basic rules, your corp will continue to grow, you will rarely have theft incidents etc.
People need to stop *****ing and admit THEY screwed up. I played this game because I saw on the gamebox, I will quote it, " Choose a Profession, Dauntless fleet commander, or the most nefarious pirate ever to terrorize the galaxy - be and do ANYTHING you'd never dare imagine."
That means, spying, robbing corps, ORE STEALING, Podding for no reason. Whatever the **** you want! Yes it may be low by moral standards, but its part of the damn game. If you can't understand this basic concept, maybe this game isn't for you. I'm tired of people whining to get this game changed into a carebear, threat free world. If you want something like this,get in touch with EA Games and get them to make you a Space version of SIMS ONLINE.
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Jorev
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Posted - 2003.08.24 03:09:00 -
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Being a spy is perfectly legitimate for EVE.
I like your ideas of sabotage and espionage. Most guilds are too complacent about who they let join, I hope this shakes em up a little.
You did however violate the name rule as I understand it, choosing a name similar to another player or their corp. This rule needs to be enforced evenly though and not just applied to griefers.
You were caught though, which is why you are posting here now. You should have been more careful and less obvious. Spies in real life suffer severely when caught.
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Caius Cassius
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Posted - 2003.08.24 03:20:00 -
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Says Sisq0:
Quote:
NO ******* EXCEPTIONS!
whooping ******* do
Whatever the **** you want!
You're obsessing again.
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