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Giorgos Rbs
Dissidence Dawn C.L.O.N.E.
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Posted - 2013.09.20 08:28:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Tanking gear does literally nothing to stop you dying if you aren't online to do anything. And any small ship it does even less, especially if you are a speed tanker. Active tankers also gain nearly nothing by having their modules active. A cloaker however is immune to everything while cloaked. So a cloaker leaving his cloak on while disconnected is getting a massive advantage over everyone else. The only ships gaining from their tank remaining on are capitals, who might live to see you log on again.
Actually in PVE a ship with OK active tank might be able to tank forever even during hours of blackout and even when scrammed. Also about speedtanking, ships maintain their orbit during disconnect if scrammed in the site, so in a PVE environment again you can count on your orbit to speedtank DPS. - I am actualy utilizing these "features" by having solo tanking Tengus in class 4 wormholes. They are able to survive even during disconnect and even in that 4 safeguard Data/Relic spawn wave that scrams webs and neuts you to hell and back. The only reason we are using solo fits and not RR tengus or basilisks (which is much more efficient) is because solo tank never turns off in such fights while the RR just breaks when the cycle is over and everything dies and it's just 2 of us running the sites, not a whole fleet ready to cover for us in case one of us gets DC.
Lucas Kell wrote:When you want to be sure you are safe to log off in space, you do a "safe logoff". this counts down, and after the countdown you can log off and be instantly safe. If you see an enemy, you can cancel and deal with it. When you start the countdown, all modules turn off. If this change was in place, a cloaker could crash out his game while running a cloak, mimicking a disconnect, sure that nobody would be able to see him because his cloak stays on. This is a benefit, because if hes in a hostile system and someones looking for him, they could probe him down in the 30 seconds the safe logoff takes, so this change would make him able to avoid that and stay in hostile space.
What happens right now if you are covert cloaked in a safespot and you hit ALT+F4? Couldn't the cloaker just leave his client running for another hour or 10 anyway? why would he log-off while in such danger? |
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CCP Gargant
C C P C C P Alliance
585

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Posted - 2013.09.20 10:13:00 -
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I removed a few flaming and off topic posts. CCP Gargant | Community Representative | Tournament Referee |
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Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1590
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Posted - 2013.09.20 11:03:00 -
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Giorgos Rbs wrote: What happens right now if you are covert cloaked in a safespot and you hit ALT+F4?
I get yelled at that I can't turn on my MWD while cloaked ... 
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
105
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Posted - 2013.09.20 11:33:00 -
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Lets reply on this from the prespective of someone being AFK cloaky camped, as a disclaimer I want no changes to the cloak. When I have had people come into local (wonderful that, needs to stay) I have a brief opportunity to D-Scan the gates to get intel on what just came in. After that it is either the player having a DC or logging to do something else. Intel is required on what is actually in system, so I tend to loiter in a cloaked ship around areas in which I expect they will log off, in other words space which is not possible to be D-Scanned from gates, stations and belts. A DC is a lucky break for me, in that I can find out what the blighter is in and work back his likely fit. Your suggestion removes one of the few issues that AFK cloakies have, I would rather not see that happen!  If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space, its as simple as that!-á-á-á-á-á-á-á There are people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local, well they should light a cyno and try jumping to it. |

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
548
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Posted - 2013.09.20 11:36:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Lets reply on this from the prespective of someone being AFK cloaky camped, as a disclaimer I want no changes to the cloak. When I have had people come into local (wonderful that, needs to stay) I have a brief opportunity to D-Scan the gates to get intel on what just came in. After that it is either the player having a DC or logging to do something else. Intel is required on what is actually in system, so I tend to loiter in a cloaked ship around areas in which I expect they will log off, in other words space which is not possible to be D-Scanned from gates, stations and belts. A DC is a lucky break for me, in that I can find out what the blighter is in and work back his likely fit. Your suggestion removes one of the few issues that AFK cloakies have, I would rather not see that happen! 
So you "exploit" the misfortune of someone having a DC to gain intelligence? That doesn't sit right one bit and no, I'm not saying you are using a game exploit or abusing the TOS\EULA or whatever before the haters jump on it, just that you are taking advantage of someone who has the misfortune to fall foul of something outside of their control to which there is no counter.
Interesting... Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |

Giorgos Rbs
Dissidence Dawn C.L.O.N.E.
21
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Posted - 2013.09.20 11:50:00 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Lets reply on this from the prespective of someone being AFK cloaky camped, as a disclaimer I want no changes to the cloak. When I have had people come into local (wonderful that, needs to stay) I have a brief opportunity to D-Scan the gates to get intel on what just came in. After that it is either the player having a DC or logging to do something else. Intel is required on what is actually in system, so I tend to loiter in a cloaked ship around areas in which I expect they will log off, in other words space which is not possible to be D-Scanned from gates, stations and belts. A DC is a lucky break for me, in that I can find out what the blighter is in and work back his likely fit. Your suggestion removes one of the few issues that AFK cloakies have, I would rather not see that happen! 
This is not a topic about AFK cloakers. Taking advantage of your enemy's disconnection should not be treated as a feature of the game...  |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
105
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Posted - 2013.09.20 12:03:00 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Lets reply on this from the prespective of someone being AFK cloaky camped, as a disclaimer I want no changes to the cloak. When I have had people come into local (wonderful that, needs to stay) I have a brief opportunity to D-Scan the gates to get intel on what just came in. After that it is either the player having a DC or logging to do something else. Intel is required on what is actually in system, so I tend to loiter in a cloaked ship around areas in which I expect they will log off, in other words space which is not possible to be D-Scanned from gates, stations and belts. A DC is a lucky break for me, in that I can find out what the blighter is in and work back his likely fit. Your suggestion removes one of the few issues that AFK cloakies have, I would rather not see that happen!  So you "exploit" the misfortune of someone having a DC to gain intelligence? That doesn't sit right one bit and no, I'm not saying you are using a game exploit or abusing the TOS\EULA or whatever before the haters jump on it, just that you are taking advantage of someone who has the misfortune to fall foul of something outside of their control to which there is no counter. Interesting...
Well they are exploiting Eve not having a log off timer and of course there is no counter, sort of balances a small weeny bit, very small weeny bit that is! And by the way I want no log off timer either! If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space, its as simple as that!-á-á-á-á-á-á-á There are people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local, well they should light a cyno and try jumping to it. |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
105
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Posted - 2013.09.20 12:06:00 -
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Reserved, lol If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space, its as simple as that!-á-á-á-á-á-á-á There are people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local, well they should light a cyno and try jumping to it. |

Giorgos Rbs
Dissidence Dawn C.L.O.N.E.
24
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Posted - 2013.09.24 11:52:00 -
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bump |

Ben Houssa
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.24 20:28:00 -
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+1 Crystal damage information in cargohold |

Simc0m
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
64
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Posted - 2013.10.15 03:03:00 -
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+1 |
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