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Alan Bell
Dkiller Delta Force Corp.
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Posted - 2013.09.19 13:17:00 -
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Are any of the haulers with a new dedicated bay able to hold ice products? Such as isotopes, liquid ozone, heavy water, etc.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
45159
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:29:00 -
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Any bay except an ore hold, or one dedicated to PI or other such things.
But dedicated for Ice products specifically ? No. Same reason as there is no "Mineral Hold". |
Jaques Perinard
Viriette Industrial Coalition of Combat Engineers
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Posted - 2013.09.19 14:52:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Any bay except an ore hold, or one dedicated to PI or other such things.
But dedicated for Ice products specifically ? No. Same reason as there is no "Mineral Hold".
Look again at the Kyros for your mineral hold.
As far as ice products, word on the street is that they may be doing something with ice Soon (tm), so they intentionally left out refined ice in the industrial rebalance. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
45170
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Posted - 2013.09.19 15:12:00 -
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Jaques Perinard wrote:
Look again at the Kyros for your mineral hold.
Yeah. It's just crazy trying to keep up with all the changes. Especially when they are not even reflected in the Evelopedia for convenience. |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:19:00 -
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From Dev Blog http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/rebalancing-and-renaming-industrials/
Quote:"Iteron Mk. IV" to "Miasmos"
This one carries ore, which means ice, minerals and gas. We've pretty much covered the first two with the Kryos name, so we decided to have some fun with gas. A "miasma" is a gaseous contagion - actually one of the first on record, from Greek mythology; and as we tend to sometimes mythologize Gallente ship names, it was a good fit. Another candidate was "Atreus", the dude who actually caused the plague by doing some horrible things (seriously, look him up), but it's far too similar to the Atron; so "Miasmos" it is.
Doesn't appear to be for ice products, but raw ice, yes. Might be worth a quick experiment to confirm.
Bokononist
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Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:30:00 -
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yeah, they could have worded that a bit differently. The Miasmos has a "standard" Ore Hold (same as on the Orca/Rorqual) and is/will be cabable of carrying unrefined ore/ice (and apparently gas).
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Chic Botany
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.20 15:11:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:From Dev Blog http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/rebalancing-and-renaming-industrials/Quote:"Iteron Mk. IV" to "Miasmos"
This one carries ore, which means ice, minerals and gas. We've pretty much covered the first two with the Kryos name, so we decided to have some fun with gas. A "miasma" is a gaseous contagion - actually one of the first on record, from Greek mythology; and as we tend to sometimes mythologize Gallente ship names, it was a good fit. Another candidate was "Atreus", the dude who actually caused the plague by doing some horrible things (seriously, look him up), but it's far too similar to the Atron; so "Miasmos" it is. Doesn't appear to be for ice products, but raw ice, yes. Might be worth a quick experiment to confirm.
I've just tried a Miasmos Ore bay with some heavy water and it said no, nor does it carry minerals. |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:28:00 -
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Chic Botany wrote:Zaxix wrote:From Dev Blog http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/rebalancing-and-renaming-industrials/Quote:"Iteron Mk. IV" to "Miasmos"
This one carries ore, which means ice, minerals and gas. We've pretty much covered the first two with the Kryos name, so we decided to have some fun with gas. A "miasma" is a gaseous contagion - actually one of the first on record, from Greek mythology; and as we tend to sometimes mythologize Gallente ship names, it was a good fit. Another candidate was "Atreus", the dude who actually caused the plague by doing some horrible things (seriously, look him up), but it's far too similar to the Atron; so "Miasmos" it is. Doesn't appear to be for ice products, but raw ice, yes. Might be worth a quick experiment to confirm. I've just tried a Miasmos Ore bay with some heavy water and it said no, nor does it carry minerals.
You're a good soul. Thanks for the info!
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:00:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Any bay except an ore hold, or one dedicated to PI or other such things.
But dedicated for Ice products specifically ? No. Same reason as there is no "Mineral Hold".
I'm still waiting for the hauler dedicated to hauling around salvage scrap... just cuz.
Oooh, or one dedicated to hauling around T1 Veldspar mining crystals. THAT is a must in this game!!
And then there's the one dedicated to hauling around all those Marines, loose womenses, and bits of DNA that are so prevalent in high sec. Dedicated DNA hauler, that's what we need in this game!
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
856
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Posted - 2013.09.23 03:45:00 -
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Jaques Perinard wrote:
As far as ice products, word on the street is that they may be doing something with ice Soon (tm), so they intentionally left out refined ice in the industrial rebalance.
Source(s) for that tidbit ?
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
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El 1974
Green Visstick High
Green Rhino
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Posted - 2013.09.23 07:05:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Jaques Perinard wrote:
As far as ice products, word on the street is that they may be doing something with ice Soon (tm), so they intentionally left out refined ice in the industrial rebalance.
Source(s) for that tidbit ?
CCP Rise wrote:We talked about doing a POS fueler (and I expect this to be the most legit complaint) but it just isn't possible atm. I can't go into specifics but please trust me here =/
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3263859#post3263859
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Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
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Posted - 2013.09.23 10:49:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Any bay except an ore hold, or one dedicated to PI or other such things.
But dedicated for Ice products specifically ? No. Same reason as there is no "Mineral Hold".
The Kyros says hi. 
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Vexed Nova
FDA Shipwrights
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Posted - 2013.09.23 19:44:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:
I'm still waiting for the hauler dedicated to hauling around salvage scrap... just cuz.
How much space do you need? lol
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Oooh, or one dedicated to hauling around T1 Veldspar mining crystals. THAT is a must in this game!!
Can't you use the one for ammo [charges] with this? I don't remember the name and my work blocks almost everything but EVEGate
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2013.09.23 20:03:00 -
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Chic Botany wrote:Zaxix wrote:From Dev Blog http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/rebalancing-and-renaming-industrials/Quote:"Iteron Mk. IV" to "Miasmos"
This one carries ore, which means ice, minerals and gas. We've pretty much covered the first two with the Kryos name, so we decided to have some fun with gas. A "miasma" is a gaseous contagion - actually one of the first on record, from Greek mythology; and as we tend to sometimes mythologize Gallente ship names, it was a good fit. Another candidate was "Atreus", the dude who actually caused the plague by doing some horrible things (seriously, look him up), but it's far too similar to the Atron; so "Miasmos" it is. Doesn't appear to be for ice products, but raw ice, yes. Might be worth a quick experiment to confirm. I've just tried a Miasmos Ore bay with some heavy water and it said no, nor does it carry minerals.
The Miasmos can carry raw ORE, Raw ICE (not refined ICE products) and raw GAS.
The Kyros can carry minerals from refining ORE, In my opinion it should also be able to carry refined ICE and GAS products to stay consistent with the Miasmos.
The hoarder can carry AMMO, which in my opinion should also include fuel blocks.
Perhaps we need one more industrial that CAN carry ICE products and fuel blocks. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.09.23 20:35:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Chic Botany wrote:Zaxix wrote:From Dev Blog http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/rebalancing-and-renaming-industrials/Quote:"Iteron Mk. IV" to "Miasmos"
This one carries ore, which means ice, minerals and gas. We've pretty much covered the first two with the Kryos name, so we decided to have some fun with gas. A "miasma" is a gaseous contagion - actually one of the first on record, from Greek mythology; and as we tend to sometimes mythologize Gallente ship names, it was a good fit. Another candidate was "Atreus", the dude who actually caused the plague by doing some horrible things (seriously, look him up), but it's far too similar to the Atron; so "Miasmos" it is. Doesn't appear to be for ice products, but raw ice, yes. Might be worth a quick experiment to confirm. I've just tried a Miasmos Ore bay with some heavy water and it said no, nor does it carry minerals. The Miasmos can carry raw ORE, Raw ICE (not refined ICE products) and raw GAS. The Kyros can carry minerals from refining ORE, In my opinion it should also be able to carry refined ICE and GAS products to stay consistent with the Miasmos. The hoarder can carry AMMO, which in my opinion should also include fuel blocks. That would cover every thing, except maybe moon materials. Perhaps we need another industrial that CAN carry ICE products and fuel blocks. And maybe one for moon materials, like the one we got for PI materials.
Congratulations CCP.
You've made things so much simpler for players with this nonsense. 
Cargo Holds should just be for Cargo. Period.
I don't know of any real life containers that are picky about what they can store. Really I don't.
Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Vexed Nova
FDA Shipwrights
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Posted - 2013.09.23 20:52:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Cargo Holds should just be for Cargo. Period.
I don't know of any real life containers that are picky about what they can store. Really I don't.
Really? Nuclear waste, liquid natural gas, refrigerated, con-ex, etc
Just saying.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
46920
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Posted - 2013.09.23 20:59:00 -
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Vexed Nova wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Cargo Holds should just be for Cargo. Period.
I don't know of any real life containers that are picky about what they can store. Really I don't.
Really? Nuclear waste, liquid natural gas, refrigerated, con-ex, etc Just saying.
Anything that can store nuclear waste can probably handle anything, period. The refrigerated container probably doesn't care what goes in it.
Taking things too far in this direction, which I feel CCP has already done, would mean that yes, I do need a special protective hold for my Enriched Uranium specifically.
You can see where that is going.........
ed: A special environmental comfort hold for Prisoners and Militants found in Missions anyone ? Hey, let's 'keep it real' because "EVE is Real". 
Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
857
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Posted - 2013.09.24 04:02:00 -
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Well, this is what the winter expansion will be.... a fleet of "new" ships being dedicated hauler for each and every specific commodity...
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Termy Rockling
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.09.24 10:02:00 -
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Like in real life (tm) i like to have these different haulers with their "free" low/rigslots.
The ammohauler is bit too much though rest are fine.
Bugsy had great extra ideas for the missing types though.  |
brinelan
The Flying Dead
Insidious Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.24 13:50:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jaques Perinard wrote:
Look again at the Kyros for your mineral hold.
Yeah. It's just crazy trying to keep up with all the changes. Especially when they are not even reflected in the Evelopedia for convenience.
You know, anyone can edit a wiki right? |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.09.24 14:46:00 -
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brinelan wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jaques Perinard wrote:
Look again at the Kyros for your mineral hold.
Yeah. It's just crazy trying to keep up with all the changes. Especially when they are not even reflected in the Evelopedia for convenience. You know, anyone can edit a wiki right?
Feel free. Otherwise, what's your point ?
Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:41:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Anything that can store nuclear waste can probably handle anything, period. The refrigerated container probably doesn't care what goes in it.
Taking things too far in this direction, which I feel CCP has already done, would mean that yes, I do need a special protective hold for my Enriched Uranium specifically.
It's funny you should mention this. http://world-nuclear.org/info/Nuclear-Fuel-Cycle/Transport/Transport-of-Radioactive-Materials/
In fact there are many, very specialized hauling devices for nuclear waste and, no, they can't handle just anything (note size and shape) and, no, they can't be hauled by just anything.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Feel free. Otherwise, what's your point ?
I think his point was that you're lazy. That's just a guess though. (BTW, I bear you no ill will. You have many good posts. Just a cheeky reply.)
Bokononist
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Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
859
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Posted - 2013.09.24 18:22:00 -
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.... waits for the "Frozen Corpse" specialty hauler... that would be the "Cadaver" class transport with the "Limited Edition" skin of burnt wreckage and skeletons -- available from the NeX store, ofc.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
47531
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Posted - 2013.09.24 18:25:00 -
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I was using as example only. But since the Interwebs are a haven of nit-picking geek nonsense, I guess I should have said:
"Most ordinary cargo containers and shipping holds can take just about anything and it is the rare product that needs any kind of specialty mechanics.......for most people, for most ordinary purposes."
Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.09.24 18:43:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:.... waits for the "Frozen Corpse" specialty hauler... that would be the "Cadaver" class transport with the "Limited Edition" skin of burnt wreckage and skeletons -- available from the NeX store, ofc.
I would buy one :) Heck several for my lovely corpse collection.
after all.. you know what they say.. rigor mortis IS a girls best friend |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2013.09.24 19:03:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I was using as example only. But since the Interwebs are a haven of nit-picking geek nonsense, I guess I should have said:
"Most ordinary cargo containers and shipping holds can take just about anything and it is the rare product that needs any kind of specialty mechanics.......for most people, for most ordinary purposes."
There had to be a moment, as you hit Post, that you knew you should have visited Wikipedia...
Commerical Transport:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_ship
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_ship w/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodal_container
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulk_carrier
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roll-on_roll-off_ship
http://twistedsifter.com/2012/04/blue-marlin-giant-ship-that-ships-other-ships/
etc, etc, etc
You're probably thinking of container ships, but even then they are highly specialized and, more relevant to this discussion, the actual intermodal containers are highly specialized. Container ships are quite varied and, unlike EVE, they require special ports for offloading their cargo.
Bulk carriers are almost always dedicated to one particular product (e.g., oil) or family of products (e.g., bulk grain transport). As for your previous comment about refrigerated (and frozen) transport, there are many products that would not respond well (try moving a case of Coke in a freezer or livestock in a sealed, airless refrigeration unit). Add to that transport of "valuables" and you enter into a whole other realm of specialized transport.
TL;DR -- MOST transport is specialized, either for the products it moves, for the manner of transport, for the area of transport, for the volume of transport, or the safety issues associated with transport or the product.
Bokononist
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2013.09.25 14:23:00 -
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When I think of T1 indys I don't compare them to cargo ships, I compare them to trucks.
In the real world, at least in North America most goods are moved by trucks. Sure there are the normal cargo trailers that can hold general goods, some are even refrigerated, but there are also special trailers for hauling milk, liquid fuels, or compressed gases. then there are other trailers made special to haul bulk granular material like gravel, or bauxite. Different trailers again for hauling scrap metal, and livestock. There are many many trailers for hauling many different types of materials.
Ships would be more like freighters for me, bigger slower, are restricted where they can safely go. But even large ships are some what specialized, there are cargo ships for general goods, oil tankers for oil, special ships for moving grain and produce, and even specific ships for moving livestock.
My point is, these changes do reflect well with what we see in the real world, and what I would expect to see in the distant future when mankind does expand into the stars. It was not that many years ago when airplanes and submarines were nothing but science fiction. Yet those science fiction stories were not far off from what is now reality. EVE is real, in that 1000 years from now it will be stunning how many similarities this science fiction will have with what will then be reality.
The Wright brothers made their first flight in 1903. In 1969, only 66 years later, we walked on the moon. 50 years later we have built a space station, and sent rovers to mars. What will the next 50 years bring? What amazing things are to come, even within our lifetime? There are people alive today that can remember when you had to be rich to trade your horse and buggy in for a automobile. Will we be telling our grandchildren, about how when we were young you had to be an Astronaut to go into orbit.
Yes EVE is real, However space combat is much further away than things like asteroid mining. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
48001
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Posted - 2013.09.25 14:38:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I was using as example only. But since the Interwebs are a haven of nit-picking geek nonsense, I guess I should have said:
"Most ordinary cargo containers and shipping holds can take just about anything and it is the rare product that needs any kind of specialty mechanics.......for most people, for most ordinary purposes." There had to be a moment, as you hit Post, that you knew you should have visited Wikipedia...
Nope.
I'm not this anal-retentive about things at all.
Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
Zaxix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2013.09.25 14:49:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Zaxix wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I was using as example only. But since the Interwebs are a haven of nit-picking geek nonsense, I guess I should have said:
"Most ordinary cargo containers and shipping holds can take just about anything and it is the rare product that needs any kind of specialty mechanics.......for most people, for most ordinary purposes." There had to be a moment, as you hit Post, that you knew you should have visited Wikipedia... Nope. I'm not this anal-retentive about things at all.
Interestingly, no comment on being totally, utterly wrong.
Bokononist
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
48002
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Posted - 2013.09.25 14:53:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:
Interestingly, no comment on being totally, utterly wrong.
And totally not caring at all how you feel about things, much less myself. At all.
Grow up.
Why do bikers wear leather ??-á Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.-á -- Paul Lynde |
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Vexed Nova
FDA Shipwrights
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Posted - 2013.09.25 20:05:00 -
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All we need is a sniper rifle and an Archduke Ferdinand analog and we can have a World War over containers. We have warred for less. Just saying.
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Warcalibre
FDA Shipwrights
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Posted - 2013.09.25 20:08:00 -
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John 3:16 |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1503
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Posted - 2013.09.27 22:58:00 -
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Warcalibre wrote:John 3:16
Fred 12:38.
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