Concept: I like it

Execution: NO

Here's what I would do, make a module that allows you to passively target someone while cloaked. Then the module will cool down for 5 seconds and after that time will automatically decloak you. Once you activate the module you cannot stop the decloak timer. This will allow you to prime your weapons and engage an enemy almost before you decloak. The victim then has to react, target (and depending on what ship your in that could be a while) and then engage you. Enough time for you to get a few volleys off. It creates the same effect without any complicated new mechanics. It's a passive targeting system with a decloak timer on it. Also as a side note, if you use it and your already decloaked, it acts like a Passive targeter.

TL:DR Add a decloak timer to passive targeters and enable there use while cloaked.

Concept: I like it

Execution: NO

Here's what I would do, [...]

Ok I love my Pilgrim but it doesn't have much use in a gank n shank black ops hot drop fleet.

Could possibly expand on it. Maybe have it work only with cov ops cloaks? (So it is specifically a buff to stealth ships, and not to any random boat packing a cloaking device.) And possibly a skill ("Advanced Cloaking"?) to extend the decloak timer? Ideas, anyone?

(x3) Covert Targeting

Prerequisites: Signature Analysis V, Cloaking IV

Allows the use of Passive Targeting Systems while operating a Covert Ops Cloaking Device. Each level Increases the Decloak timer by 1 second to a maximum of 5 seconds at Level V.

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With a skill like a very powerful sniper shot, you'll just have 10 people in recons one shotting battleships. I think CCP is trying to go away from that direction and get skill involved in playing.

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The prerequistes are chosen becuase thay make sense and that they also are some of the prerequisites for the Recon skill and covert ops cloaking device.

I feel that 5 seconds is more than enough time to do what you need to do. I think the decloak timer starts when you begin targeting the ship rather than after the target is confirmed locked so that this isn't overly abused to gank frigates, and so that smart pilots can still excape with some quick thinking.

One issue I see with a "lock someone when cloaked for a sneak attack" idea is that instead of that, it'll end up being an instant heavy tackle for an incoming gang most of the time, rather than a sneak attack. There's a reason for the targeting delay, I don't think this will actually add anything worthwhile to Eve.

Yup, that'll do.

You might want to startt a new thread for this; I get the impression no-one's reading past the OP any more.

If you would like to post this up and cite me then fine but I'm not in support of this idea. I love my recons and I know that this will make them horrible WTFOMGPWNBBQ. I came up with the ideas to show that there are simple ways to change the rules without making them to complicated, and still get what you are aiming for. In this specific case, the sneak attack, which is already a viable tactic using bombers.

When a frigate can get up to 600+ dps on a battleship (solo) and then on top of that is given an area effect weapon that deals massive damage, I'm really glad that it can be instapopped if looked at sideways. Same goes for the Tier 3 BC's, it's all a matter of pro's and con's. Strong enough that you want to fly it with glaring weaknesses that make you think twice. What op suggests, or even my modification will make recons to powerful, more specifically the Arazu and the Rapier. Frigates would never be flown again in PVP for fear of a Recon ambushing you.

One issue I see with a "lock someone when cloaked for a sneak attack" idea is that instead of that, it'll end up being an instant heavy tackle for an incoming gang most of the time, rather than a sneak attack. There's a reason for the targeting delay, I don't think this will actually add anything worthwhile to Eve.

Unless you massively redesign the Pilgrim, force recons as a class aren't going to be "sneak attack" ships. Some of them, yes, but not all. So a supervolley as proposed in the OP or anything else intended to facilitate quick kills would completely imbalance the ship class, making one of them significantly less useful than the others.

Unless you massively redesign the Pilgrim, force recons as a class aren't going to be "sneak attack" ships. Some of them, yes, but not all. So a supervolley as proposed in the OP or anything else intended to facilitate quick kills would completely imbalance the ship class, making one of them significantly less useful than the others.

Not really liking this idea at all.

The Recons already have a role as previously stated and I don't think allowing them to instapop unsuspecting ships is a great idea.

I personally can see this being used to gank haulers/barges as anything smaller will warp off and anything bigger you won't be able to kill. It's a solo sneaky PvP option for gankers. I think they get enough help from the ships and bonuses we already have.

Not supported.

I'm through with arguing with the OP, who doesn't seem to understand how Eve works.



This is by far a superior proposal to that of OP. Supported.