I believe the whole point of carriers (and capitals in general) is that they are not supposed to be "solo" ships.

I believe the whole point of carriers (and capitals in general) is that they are not supposed to be "solo" ships.

I've asked for any cyno's in corp but nothing much in moving, so I can either wait for the official (TM) moving op or turn Eve off until my plex runs out.

What I'd like is to log one of my characters on from the slots on this account, undock, light and broadcast a cyno, then switch from the slot with the cyno to my character with the carrier so I can organise my own moves without having to wait around aimlessly.

Honestly, they are letting you apply a second PLEX to activate a second skill que.

This is a Pilot's License, not a college ID.

That means it should entitle you to dual log-in the account, you are paying twice as much after all.

It's already giving you the advantage of retaining access to the character when you stop paying extra. Want to trade advantages (both online for retaining access when you quit paying extra)? PLEX a second account.

Clearly the benefit of a secondary character queue, while nice, seems a bit over priced compared to a second account.

2 PLEX for a trained Freighter alt under dual training for as long as I keep playing.

12 PLEX/year for a trained Freighter alt using a second account.


Seems cheaper to me.

Trivial.

As every account has three slots, more than doubling the cost should at least double the benefits.
(Someone paid the cash, and buying a PLEX costs more than the regular monthly fee)

Two skill queues: check.

Second set of three character slots: Nope

Secondary account access: Nope

Clearly the benefit of a secondary character queue, while nice, seems a bit over priced compared to a second account.

2 PLEX for a trained Freighter alt, except you need to rely on others heavily for cynos and scouting.

12 PLEX a year, and you can actually use the freighter when and how you want more effectively.
(More effectively means you can do the scouting live, not relying on others or the time insensitive character switching we use)

I am not saying the second queue is worthless. I am saying it is not worth a whole PLEX.

PLEX the second account, train the freighter alt. Let it lapse, then reactivate it when needed.
If you actually need it constantly, having it on a second account makes more sense than ever.

So that's worth 10 PLEX extra per year to you. That's fine.


to you.



So now it's an extra PLEX every time I need it.

Why would I want to pay 12 PLEX a year extra for something that doesn't need to be logged in at the same time as my main when I can choose to not pay 12 PLEX a year extra for that?

Not everyone is in the same situation you are. If you don't think dual training is worth it to you, don't use it. There are many situations where dual training is far cheaper than having a temporary second account and transferring the character (which is what it replaces).

I've asked for any cyno's in corp but nothing much in moving, so I can either wait for the official (TM) moving op or turn Eve off until my plex runs out.

I'm just trying to make the game more accessible to guys who have played for years, who's friends don't log in anymore and just want some casual gang pvp.

Cost to train freighter: Minimum 2 PLEX.
Cost to train JF: 4 PLEX minimum

$8.00 a month
$95.95 total

There you are moving the goalposts.



Citation needed. (Also, what about the second year, where the Dual-Trained character has no additional cost, and the second account costs another 12 month sub)


You also seem to be confused. Nowhere did I say it was the better option in all situations.

Citation link:
https://secure.eveonline.com/buy/

Up to CCP after the first year, I would expect. This is their offer, after all.

As to moving the goal posts, I am not trying to win or lose a competition, this is a debate of merits, and conflicting views deserve to be heard.

Applause for being able to cite your sources (you'd think that wouldn't require special mention, but...). The normal price for a year long sub is ~12/month.

Where did I say otherwise. I pointed out one (of several availiable) situation where dual training is the better option. There are many (like your JF example, depending on what kind of account layout you have) where dual training is not the better option. You pick the better option for your situation.

If someone wanted a freighter alt, a normal freighter might work fine for the second queue system, but a JF right now makes more sense overall to just pick up the special offer.

Anything demanding assistance, be it scouting or a cyno, is still dependent on a second account being involved, whether it is another player or a second belonging to the same one. The second queue leaves this unresolved.

Obviously people will go inactive now and then, and RL > EvE.

But if you can't handle your own stuff or you can't even log on like twice a week to eve-gate to read your eve mails about upcoming deployments or moving ops, then you should consider going to an alliance that does not move every 2-3 weeks.

Also I think it is funny how you just publicly said that the corp you are in, Macabre Votum, is unable to help you to move to the current deployment system (which honestly I don't think is true).

Your suggestion about being able to use an offline cyno that you broadcasted seems interesting, but wrong at the same time. First of all you would be jumping to a cyno that you do not have ANY eyes on. The cyno could go down (killed, run out of LO, etc...) in the moment you jump and you will land somewhere in space and die because you're getting probed down and tackled.
Second, EvE is an MMORPG - the second M stands for MULTIPLAYER. Even if you dual box, that is still multiplayer, my point although is that you should work together with the people in your corporation or your alliance.


a personal note at the end:
EvE is a community game that usually rewards if you spent time with your corp mates. Help them, and they will help you. If you're always bitching and complaining and only requesting help, people will get fed up with you.

Once again, you pick the better option for your situation. I don't get why you keep trying to convince me that there exist situations where dual training is a poor option. I've stipulated that, and proving that does nothing to support your general claim that dual training is overpriced.