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Ewersmen
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:26:00 -
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Freighters
I have a Charon, Its awesome I can move stuff ....but wait ..I can fit like 980k m3 ..
WTF its 2.46k long ....wait that's a metric **** ton of ship.
CCP the cargo hold ..
Its not big enough ...that's what she said to ccp
anyway
Your tongue is so brown ...that's what she said to the isd's
Anyway what do you think
ok figjams go!!!! |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:28:00 -
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This is an English language forum, please use it when posting. Thanks.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Ewersmen
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:30:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:This is an English language forum, please use it when posting. Thanks.
Yawn go away ..boy |
Soelent
Bombin Busch Wookies
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:31:00 -
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yeah.. Current ocean going supertankers and supercarriers, (of which there are many) are shorter than my ****, and carry more..
just to clarify, my Charon's name is richard.. |
Decaff Harkonnen
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:32:00 -
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Yea what's up with that? I have a 902,000m3 hold space at level 3 skill. You guys realize that a container ship can hold a little bit less than that and are nowhere near as big. You're looking at somewhere between 600 and 700 thousand m3 on a large container ship that sails in the ocean!! |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:51:00 -
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Container ships don't have warp drives radiation shielding, pressure compartments defense systems sub light speed engines etc. I don't know OP you didn't convince me.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:02:00 -
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Real life container ships don't mount warp drives, FTL communication gear, astrometric sensors, shields, armor, environmental control systems designed to maintain a nice cozy environment in the vacuum of space, and enough fuel to run basically forever.
Or to look at it another way, the ships are designed to allow you to carry as much cargo as CCP feels is balanced for a single player making a single trip from point A to point B. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:13:00 -
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What is your size issue actually?
Do it right, that's a good start *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Soelent
Bombin Busch Wookies
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Posted - 2013.09.19 22:15:00 -
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i dunno, seems a little out of proportion..
we have current ships, at 1/4 of the length, with engines, fuel tanks etc etc, crew quarters etc on them with larger cargo capacity.. |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2013.09.19 23:01:00 -
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Decaff Harkonnen wrote:Yea what's up with that? I have a 902,000m3 hold space at level 3 skill. You guys realize that a container ship can hold a little bit less than that and are nowhere near as big. You're looking at somewhere between 600 and 700 thousand m3 on a large container ship that sails in the ocean!!
Container ships travel in Oceans. A Charon travels in space. An Ocean and Space are slightly different environments.
The Saturn V was 110m long, 10m in diameter and massed 2.8 million kg, and carried a cargo of 45,000 kg. The useable space in the CM&LM was 12.7m^3
The Space Shuttle (which doesn't carry much fuel on board, so is more similar to the Freighter) has a cargo bay of 299m^3, of it's 51m length and 8.7m diameter.
By the way, when you're trying to astroturf, it helps to use alts that aren't in the same corp to try to bolster your idea. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Oswaldos
Sine Nobilitatis
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Posted - 2013.09.19 23:22:00 -
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Despite the need for larger cargo .. because she said bigger was better.. ccp will never give them more m3 because they don't want tpolice capitals in high sec and anything much more then what we have now would allow that
My 2 Cents |
Daichi Yamato
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.19 23:40:00 -
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harry alt?... There are no vets in EVE. Only varying levels of Noobery. |
Ewersmen
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Posted - 2013.09.20 05:42:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Decaff Harkonnen wrote:Yea what's up with that? I have a 902,000m3 hold space at level 3 skill. You guys realize that a container ship can hold a little bit less than that and are nowhere near as big. You're looking at somewhere between 600 and 700 thousand m3 on a large container ship that sails in the ocean!! Container ships travel in Oceans. A Charon travels in space. An Ocean and Space are slightly different environments. The Saturn V was 110m long, 10m in diameter and massed 2.8 million kg, and carried a cargo of 45,000 kg. The useable space in the CM&LM was 12.7m^3 The Space Shuttle (which doesn't carry much fuel on board, so is more similar to the Freighter) has a cargo bay of 299m^3, of it's 51m length and 8.7m diameter. By the way, when you're trying to astroturf, it helps to use alts that aren't in the same corp to try to bolster your idea.
^^^^wtf are u on about |
Fia Magrath
The Clown Inquisition
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Posted - 2013.09.20 06:32:00 -
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All of this got me thinking though.. are there jumbo sized pods for fat characters? |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
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Posted - 2013.09.20 08:02:00 -
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Decaff Harkonnen wrote:Yea what's up with that? I have a 902,000m3 hold space at level 3 skill. You guys realize that a container ship can hold a little bit less than that and are nowhere near as big. You're looking at somewhere between 600 and 700 thousand m3 on a large container ship that sails in the ocean!!
Your average container ship doesn't need to house shield capaitors, warp drives, star drives or jump drives or maneuvering thrusters for that matter. It's not armored, has an average crew compliment of 10, and aside from food and water for 10 guys and a radiator has no life support whatsoever.
Did I miss anything? Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Bobinu
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.09.20 08:16:00 -
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If we are talking size, what about the Mach, its huge! Its material density must be very low as it occupies such a large space! A fast, agile BS that is bigger than than all other BS's.
Also, fat pod's are a great idea. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
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Posted - 2013.09.20 08:22:00 -
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Bobinu wrote:If we are talking size, what about the Mach, its huge! Its material density must be very low as it occupies such a large space! A fast, agile BS that is bigger than than all other BS's. Well, most of that ship could be empty or filled with styrofoam...
EDIT: It looks a little bit styrofoamie tbh. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.20 08:27:00 -
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Quality |
Thread Trollington
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.20 09:17:00 -
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It is so that you won't be able to carry capital ships inside a freighter , simple as that.
/thread |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.20 16:53:00 -
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Maybe you have internal shields around fusion reactors so that you don't have oopsie I accidentally a charon because one engineer screws up.
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Soelent
Bombin Busch Wookies
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:38:00 -
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there are no engineers...
this isnt star trek.. this is real life! |
Busta Rock
The DawnSoarers
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:30:00 -
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even accounting for all those spacefaring accoutrements, the cargo space on the freighters is somewhat underwhelming. I actually wouldnt mind seeing a wider variety of specialized freighters much like how CCP dealt with the industrials. make several different hulls with different specialties, much like current oceangoing freighters - you dont use an oil tanker to haul automobiles or livestock.
that, or make a rule that anything freighters carry MUST be carried in freight containers - that would allow overall cargo capacities to be larger, while neatly avoiding any possibility of smuggling capitals into or thru highsec. |
Psychoactive Stimulant
TinklePee
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:34:00 -
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RPers... wrong thread, bud. Go whine about how we travel faster than light. |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2013.09.21 02:49:00 -
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Ewersmen wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Decaff Harkonnen wrote:Yea what's up with that? I have a 902,000m3 hold space at level 3 skill. You guys realize that a container ship can hold a little bit less than that and are nowhere near as big. You're looking at somewhere between 600 and 700 thousand m3 on a large container ship that sails in the ocean!! Container ships travel in Oceans. A Charon travels in space. An Ocean and Space are slightly different environments. The Saturn V was 110m long, 10m in diameter and massed 2.8 million kg, and carried a cargo of 45,000 kg. The useable space in the CM&LM was 12.7m^3 The Space Shuttle (which doesn't carry much fuel on board, so is more similar to the Freighter) has a cargo bay of 299m^3, of it's 51m length and 8.7m diameter. By the way, when you're trying to astroturf, it helps to use alts that aren't in the same corp to try to bolster your idea. ^^^^wtf are u on about
What part tripped you up? "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2013.09.21 02:57:00 -
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just make the ship smaller |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2013.09.21 12:21:00 -
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Fia Magrath wrote:All of this got me thinking though.. are there jumbo sized pods for fat characters? There is no such thing as fat capsuleer to begin with. New CQ prototype |
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2013.09.21 14:42:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Decaff Harkonnen wrote:Yea what's up with that? I have a 902,000m3 hold space at level 3 skill. You guys realize that a container ship can hold a little bit less than that and are nowhere near as big. You're looking at somewhere between 600 and 700 thousand m3 on a large container ship that sails in the ocean!! Container ships travel in Oceans. A Charon travels in space. An Ocean and Space are slightly different environments. The Saturn V was 110m long, 10m in diameter and massed 2.8 million kg, and carried a cargo of 45,000 kg. The useable space in the CM&LM was 12.7m^3 The Space Shuttle (which doesn't carry much fuel on board, so is more similar to the Freighter) has a cargo bay of 299m^3, of it's 51m length and 8.7m diameter. By the way, when you're trying to astroturf, it helps to use alts that aren't in the same corp to try to bolster your idea.
no the cargo of atlas and discovery could only carry LESS than 1000 pounds. Either way, I do think the fenrir and other cargo ships should be 3x the size of the jf' counterparts, because they carry 3x as much
I think they already have plans for this though, when they redesign all of the stations. The stations should eventually have FEASIBLE undock and dock points, where the ships we are using could actually theoretically fit in and out of them. |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2013.09.21 18:22:00 -
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Elvis Preslie wrote:no the cargo of atlas and discovery could only carry LESS than 1000 pounds.
The Cargo of the Saturn V was the CSM/LM, which it carried through TLI. It all depends on what you're counting as the destination, and I was going with the one that gave the OP's argument the best chance.
Quote:Either way, I do think the fenrir and other cargo ships should be 3x the size of the jf' counterparts, because they carry 3x as much
There's some fluff about 2/3 of the cargo space of the normal freighter being packed up with the Jump Drive. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
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Posted - 2013.09.21 19:57:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Elvis Preslie wrote:no the cargo of atlas and discovery could only carry LESS than 1000 pounds. The Cargo of the Saturn V was the CSM/LM, which it carried through TLI. It all depends on what you're counting as the destination, and I was going with the one that gave the OP's argument the best chance. Quote:Either way, I do think the fenrir and other cargo ships should be 3x the size of the jf' counterparts, because they carry 3x as much There's some fluff about 2/3 of the cargo space of the normal freighter being packed up with the Jump Drive.
There is also a little bit of extra tank... |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.22 02:57:00 -
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As per http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_ship Container ships carry approx. 16,020 TEU.
And as per http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-foot_equivalent_unit These containers carry approx. 38.5 m3.
16,020 x 38.5 m3 = 616,770 m3 capacity on the average container ship. This is quite a bit less than a freighter in Eve.
Now, let's assume a container ship with max containers is double the capacity since I don't wanna do a bunch of math. It would me 1,233,540 m3. However, since they have an atmosphere, they have the luxury of building a ship that is more of a platform than a container.
Now, the Charon is 16,250,000 m3. However, we have to remember what I stated a second ago, which is that this ship is a container. This means that just to support the amount of cargo a Charon can hold at lvl 5, this means the cargohold is already the size of the container ship all by itself.
Now, factor structure, armor, shield emission systems, electronics for targeting, navigation, blah blah blah, a warp core, engines, capacitor, crew, cabins, chow hall, recreation center, blah blah blah... The list goes on, but I'll throw out a little more math real quick.
There is approx 7850kg in one m3 of steel. The Charon itself is 960,000,000kg. This mean that just the structure of the ship (assuming everything is all steel, which it's not) is approx 122,293 m3 of pure steel. This includes anything in the ship that has a weight, however, it doesn't factor the empty space to fit certain this such as the capacitor.
You have to remember these ships carry massive crews, so there's a lot of open m3 dedicated just to them.
The point is, you're way off in saying that container ships carry more m3 than a Eve freighter. Way wrong. Hell, the Charon at lvl 5 can carry the largest container ships..... Even if the container ship were fully loaded. |
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