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Scrumpy Joe
AS-Rock
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Posted - 2013.09.20 20:23:00 -
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Black ops, pirate BS, jump freighters, capitals, seems like everything on the market has decreased in value recently. Whats going on that I am missing? |

Trynya
Irminsul Gunner
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:02:00 -
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Thinly veiled "Eve is dying" thread |

Scrumpy Joe
AS-Rock
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:13:00 -
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Not at all. Trying to understand if its just a coincidence, or something else is going on that I am missing. |

okoolos rimmer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:33:00 -
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Could have do do with the fact that nullsec mining got a boost. Or that there are no major wars at the moment. Or the fact that there are large stockpiles.
Alternatively this is just an evil masterplan by the evyl Mittani and his sidekick Mynnna the "puppet master". There is also talk af shadowy cabal of tycoons hell bent on taking over EVE one isk at a time. Scc-lounge is rumored to be their lair. |

Multivariate
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:40:00 -
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Scrumpy Joe wrote:Black ops, pirate BS, jump freighters, capitals, seems like everything on the market has decreased in value recently. Whats going on that I am missing? 
My guess is that, with the moon-goo nerf and introduction of alchemy large nullsec blocs needed another source of income so they've turned to renting out space. Prices are down because more stuff is being made/mined in nullsec. The addition of lower end minerals to nullsec has also increased supply at the same time. |

Logical Chaos
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:43:00 -
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Multivariate wrote:Scrumpy Joe wrote:Black ops, pirate BS, jump freighters, capitals, seems like everything on the market has decreased in value recently. Whats going on that I am missing?  My guess is that, with the moon-goo nerf and introduction of alchemy large nullsec blocs needed another source of income so they've turned to renting out space. Prices are down because more stuff is being made/mined in nullsec. The addition of lower end minerals to nullsec has also increased supply at the same time.
M&D really got worse recently seeing that it took 4 answers until someone nailed it.
But who cares, as long as the profit margin on the ships is the same? |

Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:43:00 -
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My vote is on large stock piles. That also seems to have an effect on mineral prices dropping. Less demand to build ships because of the stockpile. And ships are the major user of minerals.
I think we need more destruction to use of the stockpile! |

Scrumpy Joe
AS-Rock
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Posted - 2013.09.20 21:46:00 -
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That all sounds logical Thanks ppl |

Logical Chaos
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.09.21 08:24:00 -
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Hammer Crendraven wrote:My vote is on large stock piles. That also seems to have an effect on mineral prices dropping. Less demand to build ships because of the stockpile. And ships are the major user of minerals.
I think we need more destruction to use of the stockpile!
Well at least I have a large stock pile I am trying to move.
Well the mineral requirement for Marauders & JF is minimal and Faction Battleships only require about 135m worth of minerals last I checked.
Marauders and JF have been explained (Moon Rebalancing) but for Faction BS the only explanation would be oversupply and therefore pricedrop. While this might be understandable for Minmatar ships at the moment it really does not explain pricedrop on the Machariel for example. Or did they make the BPCs lootable from the new exploration stuff? |

Kithran
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Posted - 2013.09.21 12:27:00 -
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Logical Chaos wrote:Hammer Crendraven wrote:My vote is on large stock piles. That also seems to have an effect on mineral prices dropping. Less demand to build ships because of the stockpile. And ships are the major user of minerals.
I think we need more destruction to use of the stockpile!
Well at least I have a large stock pile I am trying to move. Well the mineral requirement for Marauders & JF is minimal and Faction Battleships only require about 135m worth of minerals last I checked. Marauders and JF have been explained (Moon Rebalancing) but for Faction BS the only explanation would be oversupply and therefore pricedrop. While this might be understandable for Minmatar ships at the moment it really does not explain pricedrop on the Machariel for example. Or did they make the BPCs lootable from the new exploration stuff?
The pricedrop in the machariel is easy to explain - lots of talk about a machariel nerf coming. |

Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
853
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Posted - 2013.09.21 13:13:00 -
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Scrumpy Joe wrote:Black ops, pirate BS, jump freighters, capitals, seems like everything on the market has decreased in value recently. Whats going on that I am missing? 
EVE is in RECESSION... because GTA is *THAT* good. 
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |

SJ Astralana
Syncore
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Posted - 2013.09.22 09:24:00 -
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Highsec mining got a major boost, and we're between expansions. Just to be between expansions means to be oversupplied, but between the two you're guaranteed to be in a situation where ships are oversupplied. As a supplier of ships, I'm finding my margins to be weak, but turnover to be okay. And I'm positioned to be able to take advantage to respond to the changes coming when they're announced for the next expansion. SJ Astralana = Danari = Alak D'bor. I don't fuss about which account/toon is logged in, nor do I hide behind alts. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4341
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Posted - 2013.09.22 11:35:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Scrumpy Joe wrote:Black ops, pirate BS, jump freighters, capitals, seems like everything on the market has decreased in value recently. Whats going on that I am missing?  EVE is in RECESSION... because GTA is *THAT* good. 
We need Dr. Ejyo Bernanke to spam some trillions of paper! Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Rthor
Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2013.09.22 20:07:00 -
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How can we have ships dropping in value if there are so many isk faucets and inflation threads?
If we have isk faucets and inflation all you gotta do is buy ships and wait for them to go up in price. Isk inflation makes ships more expensive in isk terms over time. Did I get this one right?  |

Logical Chaos
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.09.22 21:30:00 -
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Rthor wrote:How can we have ships dropping in value if there are so many isk faucets and inflation threads? If we have isk faucets and inflation all you gotta do is buy ships and wait for them to go up in price. Isk inflation makes ships more expensive in isk terms over time. Did I get this one right? 
Multivariate wrote:[ My guess is that, with the moon-goo nerf and introduction of alchemy large nullsec blocs needed another source of income so they've turned to renting out space. Prices are down because more stuff is being made/mined in nullsec. The addition of lower end minerals to nullsec has also increased supply at the same time.
Not empty quoting. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
4341
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Posted - 2013.09.23 00:45:00 -
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Rthor wrote:How can we have ships dropping in value if there are so many isk faucets and inflation threads? If we have isk faucets and inflation all you gotta do is buy ships and wait for them to go up in price. Isk inflation makes ships more expensive in isk terms over time. Did I get this one right? 
Inflation threads are like "EvE is dying" threads: abundant and generally groundless. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Rthor
Smugglers Inc.
5
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Posted - 2013.09.23 02:02:00 -
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Logical Chaos wrote:Rthor wrote:How can we have ships dropping in value if there are so many isk faucets and inflation threads? If we have isk faucets and inflation all you gotta do is buy ships and wait for them to go up in price. Isk inflation makes ships more expensive in isk terms over time. Did I get this one right?  Multivariate wrote:[ My guess is that, with the moon-goo nerf and introduction of alchemy large nullsec blocs needed another source of income so they've turned to renting out space. Prices are down because more stuff is being made/mined in nullsec. The addition of lower end minerals to nullsec has also increased supply at the same time. Not empty quoting.
Hehe. I will bet against this. I think that it is something else. |

Sabriz Adoudel
Oppan Ganknam Style
847
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Posted - 2013.09.23 08:04:00 -
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Demand for the rebalanced ships has increased, at the expense of less demand for the ships that have not been rebalanced.
While the Widow has fallen, the Ishtar has soared. Miner euthanization expert. An enemy is just a friend that you stab in the front. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. |

Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.24 20:15:00 -
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Here is more food for thought, as in it happened to me so why not others also.
Lets say you built several hundred or thousand different ships before retribution. Then for whatever reason you let your sub run out. Then resubed now or in the future and you are sitting on a large stock pile of ships you built at the old mineral cost before extra minerals were added to the blueprint.
Ok now you can enter the market and undercut all the current manufacturers because they can not sell new made ships at a profit at the price you can sell yours for at a profit. So you can win a price war but only until your stock is gone.
What I find interesting though is when I start a price war even 20+ jumps from Jita and sell at 20% less than the Jita price to win my local market price war then the Jita price soon followed my local price and the rest of eve followed suit. My local price war impacted the entire eve price. I assume that as soon as I run out the price will return to its original price point some 20% higher. As I will not be able to make a profit either on new made ships at the price I am selling them for now.
By the way it was 3 days before the Jita price reacted to my local price so it was not an immediate response. But I truely did not expect Jita price to drop at all as I was some 20 Jumps away. Then within a day the rest of the trading hubs also droped.
If you are a trader in ships, IE you buy at Jita and move them out to remote hubs to resell then your cost basis is the Jita price and now you are stuck with inventory you can not sell at a profit but this is temporary IMHO.
So if this happened to me then I can certainly see others causing a similar effect.
P.S. I am not cornering the market in all ship types. I only have a handfull of ships types I built like this. |

Logical Chaos
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.09.24 21:32:00 -
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Hammer Crendraven wrote:Here is more food for thought, as in it happened to me so why not others also.
Lets say you built several hundred or thousand different ships before retribution. Then for whatever reason you let your sub run out. Then resubed now or in the future and you are sitting on a large stock pile of ships you built at the old mineral cost before extra minerals were added to the blueprint.
Ok now you can enter the market and undercut all the current manufacturers because they can not sell new made ships at a profit at the price you can sell yours for at a profit. So you can win a price war but only until your stock is gone.
What I find interesting though is when I start a price war even 20+ jumps from Jita and sell at 20% less than the Jita price to win my local market price war then the Jita price soon followed my local price and the rest of eve followed suit. My local price war impacted the entire eve price. I assume that as soon as I run out the price will return to its original price point some 20% higher. As I will not be able to make a profit either on new made ships at the price I am selling them for now.
By the way it was 3 days before the Jita price reacted to my local price so it was not an immediate response. But I truely did not expect Jita price to drop at all as I was some 20 Jumps away. Then within a day the rest of the trading hubs also droped.
If you are a trader in ships, IE you buy at Jita and move them out to remote hubs to resell then your cost basis is the Jita price and now you are stuck with inventory you can not sell at a profit but this is temporary IMHO.
So if this happened to me then I can certainly see others causing a similar effect.
P.S. I am not cornering the market in all ship types. I only have a handfull of ships types I built like this.
I don't know how big your operations are, but it is highly unlikely that you as an individual are having any effect on prices, especially not Jita prices. |

Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2013.09.24 21:58:00 -
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Hammer Crendraven wrote:Here is more food for thought, as in it happened to me so why not others also.
Lets say you built several hundred or thousand different ships before retribution. Then for whatever reason you let your sub run out. Then resubed now or in the future and you are sitting on a large stock pile of ships you built at the old mineral cost before extra minerals were added to the blueprint.
Ok now you can enter the market and undercut all the current manufacturers because they can not sell new made ships at a profit at the price you can sell yours for at a profit. So you can win a price war but only until your stock is gone.
What I find interesting though is when I start a price war even 20+ jumps from Jita and sell at 20% less than the Jita price to win my local market price war then the Jita price soon followed my local price and the rest of eve followed suit. My local price war impacted the entire eve price. I assume that as soon as I run out the price will return to its original price point some 20% higher. As I will not be able to make a profit either on new made ships at the price I am selling them for now.
By the way it was 3 days before the Jita price reacted to my local price so it was not an immediate response. But I truely did not expect Jita price to drop at all as I was some 20 Jumps away. Then within a day the rest of the trading hubs also droped.
If you are a trader in ships, IE you buy at Jita and move them out to remote hubs to resell then your cost basis is the Jita price and now you are stuck with inventory you can not sell at a profit but this is temporary IMHO.
So if this happened to me then I can certainly see others causing a similar effect.
P.S. I am not cornering the market in all ship types. I only have a handfull of ships types I built like this.
I'm assuming you've already sold off those ships, if so would you mind telling us which ships they were and what regions so we can look at the market history and confirm for ourselves?
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Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.09.24 22:06:00 -
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Logical Chaos wrote:Hammer Crendraven wrote:Here is more food for thought, as in it happened to me so why not others also.
Lets say you built several hundred or thousand different ships before retribution. Then for whatever reason you let your sub run out. Then resubed now or in the future and you are sitting on a large stock pile of ships you built at the old mineral cost before extra minerals were added to the blueprint.
Ok now you can enter the market and undercut all the current manufacturers because they can not sell new made ships at a profit at the price you can sell yours for at a profit. So you can win a price war but only until your stock is gone.
What I find interesting though is when I start a price war even 20+ jumps from Jita and sell at 20% less than the Jita price to win my local market price war then the Jita price soon followed my local price and the rest of eve followed suit. My local price war impacted the entire eve price. I assume that as soon as I run out the price will return to its original price point some 20% higher. As I will not be able to make a profit either on new made ships at the price I am selling them for now.
By the way it was 3 days before the Jita price reacted to my local price so it was not an immediate response. But I truely did not expect Jita price to drop at all as I was some 20 Jumps away. Then within a day the rest of the trading hubs also droped.
If you are a trader in ships, IE you buy at Jita and move them out to remote hubs to resell then your cost basis is the Jita price and now you are stuck with inventory you can not sell at a profit but this is temporary IMHO.
So if this happened to me then I can certainly see others causing a similar effect.
P.S. I am not cornering the market in all ship types. I only have a handfull of ships types I built like this. I don't know how big your operations are, but it is highly unlikely that you as an individual are having any effect on prices, especially not Jita prices.
You are probably right, just coincident that Jita followed my lead on multiple ship types from 20+ jumps away.
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
805
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:57:00 -
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The value of T2 ships is down due to the moon goo rebalance dropping the price of the moon materials used to build them.
T1 ships have dropped in value because the value of the minerals used to build them have dropped. This is due to a combination of the ore composition changes, and the increase of industrial, renter alliances that has resulted from reduced alliance income driven by the same moon goo changes.
I believe the value of pirate and navy faction ships has dropped due to the ship rebalance making normal T1 and T2 ships much more popular reducing the demand for the pirate faction ships. Is it really worth spending 400% more on a machariel ship hull, now that the isk/hr income is only marginally better?
I get comparable DPS, completion times, and better range with my fleet typhoon. it only cost me about 300M for the Hull. Nearly 1/3rd the current price of a machariel.
Why spend over 1B on a machariel? 850M (current price) is still over priced as far as I am concerned. I expect they will come down even more before they level off. 650M would be a good price point with the current ship balance Especially with the marauder rebalance coming with the winter expansion. |

Alberik
Eusebius Corporation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:24:00 -
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Following Ockham's razor its most unlikely that everything is becoming cheaper, as its much easier thinking that isk is becoming more valuable.
i heard ccp is buffing isk in the winter expansion and this info has leaked. my guess is they will double the power of isk so i can only advise everybody to flow markets with everything available at about half the market price. |
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