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Gift
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Posted - 2006.01.15 19:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Gonada
um yes it is your problem.
if you changed your passwords weekly, if you always kept your computer up to date and virus free you would not be having these problems you wierdo.
CCP is responcable on their end to make sure hackers dont break into the system on their end, but its up to you to do your part.
get a clue fanboy
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.16 02:29:00 -
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Ok enough about torturing hacers, it's getting silly.
Besides, the most painful way to torture them would be uses a belt sander and lots of rubbing alcohol/salt on the new wounds, with the only trick being to make sure they dont black out from the pain too much. It's one of the few things that can be more painful than burning alive simply because it takes longer for the person to die.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Lienzo
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Posted - 2006.01.16 04:20:00 -
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OMG, Aria Giovanni is going to steal all of my iskies!
Somehow, I sorta feel ok about that.
I noticed that Firefox can now run the TrendMicro service, but only if you have Java properly installed. Any idea how to do that, and get the "native bind" that makes Java work with Firefox instead of just IE. There's a way to do it, I just don't understand it.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2006.01.16 04:38:00 -
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When eve-i.com was around, they offered a service for skill queue. That required you to give your account name and password. Now eve-i is gone, perhaps that database of users was compromised?
Have the victims of these attacks used the same account name and password for other services, such as out of game forums, team speak, etc?
try to find what the victims share in common
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Zolofine
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Posted - 2006.01.16 04:55:00 -
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OP, you're not making any sense!
They never left w00t
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.16 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Face Lifter
When eve-i.com was around, they offered a service for skill queue. That required you to give your account name and password.
It'd be fun to see how many hacked people used that site, and how utterly insane they are. Lucky for them the EVE-I people didn't just rob them blind... I think.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Basileus
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Posted - 2006.01.16 06:22:00 -
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These forums aren't the epitome of reliability. I'm not saying these stories of hacking that have been appearing over the last few days are untrue, but sceptisism is due I reckon. It is in CCP's interest to ensure customer safety. Account hacking is the last thing they would want, and I am sure they do their best to combat it.
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Necrosmith
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Posted - 2006.01.16 08:49:00 -
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Actually, I accidentally discovered the most painful way we could torture the hackers this weekend.
It's actually so simple, it's brilliant.
Smash the ends of their fingers with a hammer.
I tell you what, I know from experience that hurts like a *****.
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Cypherous
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Posted - 2006.01.16 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zolofine
ZOMG the hamsters have learned how to hax0r and are gonna put a stop to CCP's plans of preplacing them with 64bit gerbils!!1!1!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2006.01.16 09:48:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=277892&page=1#4
Besides, do NOT use passwords related to your character, you, your spouse, your canary or anything else that can be discovered.
If you follow that advice, keep your system clean and do not reuse your password on other sites, you should be fine.
I doubt CCP is going to be hacked, that's simply too much effort and someone capable of doing so would be better off hacking a bank :).
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Dave Day
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Posted - 2006.01.16 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
I doubt CCP is going to be hacked, that's simply too much effort and someone capable of doing so would be better off hacking a bank :)
I disagree. I really don't think that CCP would be keeping so quiet if this was a keylogger etc installed on individual client's PC's. If this were not at CCP's end they would end the speculation and protect their reputation by saying just that. Their silence speaks volumes IMHO.
There has been a general pattern that it was the older accounts which were being attacked and as such it was them which had their PW's reset. That's not a keylogger, someone somewhere has a list and is targetting the older accounts for maximum ISK.
Who's to say they've even been hacked? Sadly, any organisation is only as secure as it's trusted employees. Hate to suggest it, but maybe someone got fired and printed off the Database before they left? Maybe they have a new hire who's not trustworthy? (ongoing hacking)
Sorry to cast any CCP staff in a poor light, I know that 99.99% of them are good people but surely this scenario makes far more sense than the alternative view that we all suddenly got caught by a keylogger at exactly the same time and that the keylogger remarkably only got into high value ISK accounts?
It's an inside job. I'll happily retract that if CCP tell me otherwise, but they won't.
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Teles666
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Posted - 2006.01.16 14:13:00 -
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Banks are very secure, my business (e-commerce) is also pretty darn secure.
Are online gaming services secure? Do they have permission levels on who can access the member database, audit trails on who looked at what and why?
If it's a trojan in some popular eve util then there is nothing ccp can do - so why should they comment?
If it's an internal leak surely from all the petitions they could identify the source of the leak (if they have audit logs).
If it's a brute force hack why don't they tell us? if they log failed logins.
In my mind game services do not take security nearly as seriously as banks or companies who handle credit cards. they don't lock accounts on multiple failed logins and they probably don't audit staff actions or failed logins.
In the meantime I'm guessing people who are hacked have real-word passwords, their username = account name, and they post on the forums.
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anthonieak
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Posted - 2006.01.16 14:20:00 -
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Indeed, I was hacked too on 8-1-2006 got complete new pasword now. I find still difficult too remember and sometimes i put in my old pasword but was so commen.
I have on My pc's now Virusscanner, adware and firewall. And everyone gets blocked. Who does not belong on my home pc
But I still feel vunerable. It is as if someone breaks in too your house and takes out your vault.
AK
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SinBin
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Posted - 2006.01.16 14:26:00 -
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Thats a worry i saw my mate log almost all his carater last night in very fast successtion, I asked if he was doing skills & got no answer.
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smashsmash
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Posted - 2006.01.16 14:28:00 -
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Daaaaaang. That is way harsh. I hope your friend gets his stuff back.
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Guy Dranova
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Posted - 2006.01.16 14:29:00 -
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I doubt it would an internal leak (ex-employee). Passwords are normally stored on a database using 1 way encryption. That means that they can only give you a new password and tell you to change it to something else when you forget it or are compromised.
It is interesting though that some accounts are still being accessed. I think who ever is doing it is still going down the original list and are getting people who haven't changed the password yet.
Of course. I could be wrong. 
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Chribba
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Posted - 2006.01.16 14:44:00 -
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CCP might think about including the option to specify IP's allowed to log on, that way at least people will static ip's will be a bit more secure, and those on IP-ranges a tiny bit more secure.
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Kurren
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Posted - 2006.01.16 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
um yes it is your problem.
if you changed your passwords weekly, if you always kept your computer up to date and virus free you would not be having these problems you wierdo.
CCP is responcable on their end to make sure hackers dont break into the system on their end, but its up to you to do your part.
Please, to think there is a virus out there that logs into your Eve account and steals all your made-up/fake money. Sorry, but this game isn't worth Federal Pen time!
As for the OP... you have to do what you can to protect yourself. It is CCP's resposibility to make sure nothing happens, but if all he was doing was logging on and transfering money... it's not going to look like a hack. You need to petition it. Let them know what the deal is... and NEVER give your password to somebody you don't know. DUH, right? People do it. CCP does what they can, but you need to do what you can too.
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Lucre
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Posted - 2006.01.16 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dave Day
I disagree. I really don't think that CCP would be keeping so quiet if this was a keylogger etc installed on individual client's PC's. If this were not at CCP's end they would end the speculation and protect their reputation by saying just that. Their silence speaks volumes IMHO.
Simple question - has one person whose account has been hacked subsequently detected a keylogger on their PC? I may be wrong but I don't recall any posts to that effect (besides which I'd have expected instructions to run checkers to appear as an Eve pre-logon message if there were any known cases of this happening)
Originally by: Dave Day
There has been a general pattern that it was the older accounts which were being attacked and as such it was them which had their PW's reset. That's not a keylogger, someone somewhere has a list and is targetting the older accounts for maximum ISK.
Interesting. My original account had PW changed; my newer account didn't. And given they only PW-changed a finite number of accounts, that really doesn't suggest they think it's client-machine related - otherwise you'd expect all accounts on a given billing to be reset on the chance they're being run on the same machine.
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Macdeth
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Posted - 2006.01.16 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lucre
Simple question - has one person whose account has been hacked subsequently detected a keylogger on their PC? I may be wrong but I don't recall any posts to that effect (besides which I'd have expected instructions to run checkers to appear as an Eve pre-logon message if there were any known cases of this happening)
There was this post, where several people whose passwords were reset claimed to have found keyloggers on their systems, but those ones don't appear to have been hacked themselves.
In addition to keyloggers and stolen CCP login credentials, there's always other comedy options like 'CCP disposed (or sent to China for their cluster) one of their old login authorization servers with drive intact and someone found it'. They presumably know something about the cause, but just won't say. Taken on its own, the "No comment" approach suggests it was their fault, though one can't be sure. As for continued hacks, if true... With something like 50,000 users, you're going to have a bunch who have ridiculously bad practises, such as promptly changing their password back to the original and getting hacked despite the reset.
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