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Holy One
SniggWaffe
68
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Posted - 2011.10.31 10:52:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Pay 0% on the 1M/hour you make now, or 10% on 50M/hour. Your choice. lols i make 50 million isk an hour in highsec i am richer than most people in this game. i gave away 7 billion isk in cap ship BPOS as i just did not use them. So please nullsec person you have no idea about the isk generation going on in highsec.
You have inadvertedly hit upon the main issue with nullsec - if you are not there to make isk, there's no point being there. Except if, like my corp, you exhist solely to grief people trying to make isk. I'd say that is my only incentive to continue playing eve and the only source of enjoyment in this terrible mmo tbh.
Sov null? I'd rather eat my own feaces.
So yeah, I understand where you are coming from, but 'making isk' as you seem to have done, gets boring after the first 10bn or so .. |
Hexus Draidin
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Fatal Ascension
11
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Posted - 2011.10.31 12:52:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Im not talking about easy wealth for no risk im talking about tax rates.
Ever since ive been in this game ive sat in corporations with no tax. I supply my own ships for pew pew and i make all my own isk. i dont pay for other peoples mistakes only my own.
I would like to go to nullsec but i just cant find it in my heart to pay 15% tax to a nullsec corp.
Question.
Are there any corp/alliances out there that take a fixed fee per player every month for SOV upkeep or is it all percentages.
If not then......Damn you highsec Damn you to hell.
There are several null sec corps that charge negligible tax. The trade-off is that most of them are PVP based and require that you make a kill quota. I imagine it is manageable to balance PVP and PVE effectively.
Also, don't go around bragging about your high sec isk and low tax rate. You're bound to get war dec'd by individuals that resent high sec carebearing. So long to risk free wealth. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
899
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Posted - 2011.10.31 13:10:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:
the ones who don't die have usually become adept at ignoring FC orders when necessary for their own survival
(which is not good at all as sometimes your FC knows things you don't or your own death might just be an acceptable casualty in the greater scheme of things but having no reimbursements encourages this "every man on his own" behavior).
Hmmm well I would prefer to say that you should intelligently interpret FC orders. If half the enemy fleet yellowboxes you and you're not tackled, then it shouldn't require an FC order to prompt you to GTFO.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
67
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Posted - 2011.10.31 14:25:00 -
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Holy One wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Pay 0% on the 1M/hour you make now, or 10% on 50M/hour. Your choice. lols i make 50 million isk an hour in highsec i am richer than most people in this game. i gave away 7 billion isk in cap ship BPOS as i just did not use them. So please nullsec person you have no idea about the isk generation going on in highsec. You have inadvertedly hit upon the main issue with nullsec - if you are not there to make isk, there's no point being there. Except if, like my corp, you exhist solely to grief people trying to make isk. I'd say that is my only incentive to continue playing eve and the only source of enjoyment in this terrible mmo tbh. Sov null? I'd rather eat my own feaces. So yeah, I understand where you are coming from, but 'making isk' as you seem to have done, gets boring after the first 10bn or so ..
You are on the money all the way my friend. Yeah it gets boring real fast and ive gotten so bored that im using my main on the forum threads.
i kinda see this as the helium burning stage of my EVE career. |
Soporo
Perkone
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.31 15:35:00 -
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Quote:Sov null? I'd rather eat my own feaces.
 Yeah, lotta people hate it. But honestly, eating someone elses hot steamy would be worse.
Not many people mind up to a 10% tax rate, there's plenty of Isk to be had, but what's annoying is when they jack the tax rate up to 100% to force fleet/ops participation. |
Satav
Latinum Exports
77
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Posted - 2011.10.31 15:45:00 -
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Wow........ really dude?
your complaining about tax? Do have any idea what it takes to run a 0.0 alliance? Obviously not.
But since you're thinking only about yourself and not the big picture (which in the long run is of most benefit to you btw.)
Let's put it in terms that you can understand.
Highsec.
Anywhere from 10-50 million per hour, depending on number of tunes and profession.
0.0
Anywhere from 100-300 million per hour, depending on number of tunes and profession. (-15%)
So at Max in Highsec, 50 million (rough estimate) no tax.
Or 0.0 a conservative 100 million (rough estimate) 15% tax.
You're making 35 million more an hour. plus you have all the benefits of living in 0.0.
Also this is conservative, as i myself make 4-5 times as much in 0.0 than in highsec with my professions. (ratting, mining, trading.)
So shush with the tax whining.
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
27
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Posted - 2011.10.31 15:46:00 -
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seriously,
the atttitude that you're getting ripped off if someone else might be making money on top of what you make is such a petty jealous way of viewing the world it is beyond me.
Unfortunately it is too common in the game world and in real life.
A small piece of a big pie can be still alot more pied than all of a small one
Just look at the pie you got, not the pie the other guy has.
On top ot that , the premise that someone is profitting off the taxes at all or certainly at a higher isk per hour of adminsitrative time necessary to run an alliance than if they had spent the same hours earning at the high rate you do, is off the mark. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
111
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Posted - 2011.10.31 15:51:00 -
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My corp pays 15% tax, and are glad to do it, with an srf that repays when you lose multi hundred million isk ships coupled with the fact that we buy our pilots capital skills along with carriers and dreadnaughts.
If you cant see yourself to 'losing' 15% of your income, im afraid you simply arnt worth having in corp. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
67
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Posted - 2011.10.31 16:02:00 -
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Everything that you have said is true
But there is nothing like baiting a thread to pull out some nullsec tears and this one has worked wonders |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
134
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Posted - 2011.10.31 16:04:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Pay 0% on the 1M/hour you make now, or 10% on 50M/hour. Your choice.
From what I understand, making money in 0.0 for your average rank-and-file grunt is just about equivalent to level 4 mission running, except that it is a lot more stressful thanks to having your eyes glued to local and intel channels constantly, and spamming the D-scan button if there's an AFK cloaker in system.
And with the sanctum nerf most rank-and-file grunts are probably making LESS money overall than their level 4 mission grinding alts in high sec.
Yeah sure, it is POSSIBLE to make 10 times as much money if you are smart and/or lucky. But most people aren't. |
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
67
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Posted - 2011.10.31 16:09:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Pay 0% on the 1M/hour you make now, or 10% on 50M/hour. Your choice. From what I understand, making money in 0.0 for your average rank-and-file grunt is just about equivalent to level 4 mission running, except that it is a lot more stressful thanks to having your eyes glued to local and intel channels constantly, and spamming the D-scan button if there's an AFK cloaker in system. And with the sanctum nerf most rank-and-file grunts are probably making LESS money overall than their level 4 mission grinding alts in high sec. Yeah sure, it is POSSIBLE to make 10 times as much money if you are smart and/or lucky. But most people aren't.
quoted for truth +1 |
Potato IQ
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2011.10.31 16:10:00 -
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I generally find that having a good point to a thread makes it more interesting. As I understand it, you have a mountain of virtual currency and are reluctant to lose the tax benefits you enjoy at present in the most tedious area this game has to offer. Yawn. Send me some of this wasted isk as IGÇÖll use it appropriately by, you know, killing sh!t
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
67
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Posted - 2011.10.31 16:12:00 -
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The truth is that since the sanctums nerf there is a lot less isk being made this has led to a few things such as
Renters no longer being able to afford there rent
More and More nullsec people have a highsec alt running missions for them. I know loads of nullsecers who do this. |
Vachir Khan
TriSeq Defence Group
29
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Posted - 2011.10.31 16:20:00 -
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Some people like being a number, like being lemmings (and amazingly proudly point at others about being insignificant). some people refuse being a number and/or being used. They will want a plausible explanation for the things they do and pay for the corp. There's a difference between trying to leech your way into things and requiring explanation for money/effort paid.
If the corp operates on a full reimbursement program then, depending on their moon income, I'll fully accept medium to higher tax. If the corp takes care of me I'm more than happy to take care of the corp. But the silly notion where CEO's go "quiet peon, slave for your measly amount of iskies while protecting my vast moongoo imperium" is hilarious, yet many people seem to agree to it.
TL;DR the OPs question has merit and is not at all about him being a cheapskate.
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. |
Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
34
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Posted - 2011.10.31 16:30:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:im talking about tax rates.
Ever since ive been in this game ive sat in corporations with no tax. I supply my own ships for pew pew and i make all my own isk. i dont pay for other peoples mistakes only my own.
I would like to go to nullsec but i just cant find it in my heart to pay 15% tax to a nullsec corp.
1. Corp Taxes in any decently run organization go directly to Corp/Alliance Support, POS Towers, System Upgrades, Sov. Costs, Ship replacement Programs, Cap Ship Programs, etc. None of that is free.
2. Not eveyone used a 15% rate. I pay 10%, other pay 5%, and I've corps that charge nothing (instead using Moon Mining or other revenue streams to fund operations). So yes, they exist.
3. Your attitude of apparent unwillingness to share in your chosen Corp/Allainces growth, development and finances speaks to an inabillity to get along in a null-sec social group, and may be far more of a problem than the paltry tax amounts you'll end up paying. Null is not a single-player game, generally. And part fo the majority of null-teamwork is some aspect of economic/millitary collectivism. |
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion
Of Mordor
0
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Posted - 2011.10.31 16:33:00 -
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I think people like being apart of something bigger. fighting for a common cause, bragging rights, history. Think of the groups that have left their mark on the game, M0o, Curse Alliance, BoB, Red alliance. 15% is just cost of admission. Who remembers anyone in High Sec? |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
537
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Posted - 2011.10.31 16:54:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Everything that you have said is true
But there is nothing like baiting a thread to pull out some nullsec tears and this one has worked wonders
ahaha get out of here with that "puppetmaster" crap |
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