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Am ster
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:41:00 -
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What is eve:
Eve is a 24/7(with the exeption of daily downtime) service offered for a monthly fee.
I have a job 9 to 5 every day live in europe +1 GMT and since RMR i have been unable to play without major lag starting 6 PM. making all gameplay from a tedious task of waiting to completely unplayable examples: 40 sec timedelay locking, two minutes to open a can and get it's contents, module activation 30-60 sec inabilty to open corphangars, Undocking, getting a new mission .
I can now play eve enjoyably during my morning cuppa and the first 30 minutes after i get home.
It is allmost a month since the RMR patch and thing havent been getting better
In my opinion CCP is not abiding by it's contract with me and I would like to hear their thougths on a extension of something in the order of 2weeks of all peoples memberships for free as we have not been getting our moneys worth.
In my opinion the rmr content update has ruined the game due to lag and should have been tested better.Cool stuff means nothing if u cant play with it
I would like to hear a response from a DEV to this
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Vixa Ambrodel
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Am ster
In my opinion CCP is not abiding by it's contract with me and I would like to hear their thougths on a extension of something in the order of 2weeks of all peoples memberships for free as we have not been getting our moneys worth.
You saying that you actually want to PAY for expansion packs for EVE?
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Originally by: Vixa Ambrodel
If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen or fit another thermal hardener! 
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vixa Ambrodel
Originally by: Am ster
In my opinion CCP is not abiding by it's contract with me and I would like to hear their thougths on a extension of something in the order of 2weeks of all peoples memberships for free as we have not been getting our moneys worth.
You saying that you actually want to PAY for expansion packs for EVE?
i don't get it 
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:45:00 -
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i must ask: where are you?
****, no-one has had no lag, but my experience has been nothing like yours
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Am ster
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:47:00 -
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no absolutly not what I am saying is i want to play the game i paid for and not sit here wasting my time on a forum but having fun playing a game with my friends
and regrettably i cant
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Vixa Ambrodel
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
i don't get it
He's whining about getting financial compensation for a free expansion pack that, in his oppinion, should have been tested better. If he wants to pay for expansions, CCP can spend those money on testing their stuff better or something...
Or something 
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Originally by: Vixa Ambrodel
If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen or fit another thermal hardener!
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Sinari Galdrin
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:51:00 -
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You must either have a problem with your local Internet connection, your PC, or you must be in a particularly bad system.
Since RMR, I think I've had two evenings when the lag has been as you described (one immediately after the upgrade, and one a couple of weeks later) - most nights the lag is hardly noticeable, and this is in Lonetrek which some of my corp members say is worse than many other regions
When you get bad lag, maybe you should ask in 'Local' if other people are seeing it. If they aren't, then you know it must be at your end or your ISP.
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Montague Zooma
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:51:00 -
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Remember, the game is free. All we pay for is access to their server!
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:52:00 -
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It is allmost a month since the RMR patch and thing havent been getting better
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sorry, but if you havnt noticed anything getting better it has to be the connection your using.
might not be anything you can do i dont know, but the ISP you use , the bandwidth your aloted make the differance.
living in north america, and having friends who play this game all over north america, some in uk, noone i know has the trouble you say your experiencing.
therefore the problem is most likey the ISP your using, or the computer setup you have.
good luck, but financial compensation ? lol I totally doubt it.
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Am ster
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:55:00 -
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making all gameplay from a tedious task of waiting to completely unplayable examples: 40 sec timedelay locking, two minutes to open a can and get it's contents, module activation 30-60 sec inabilty to open corphangars, Undocking, getting a new mission .
every day since RMR post 6pm eve time
i have a 8mbit
i play in the citadel
other people i my corp have the same lag at the same time
if i am whining just shoot me ooh no you cant as i cant undock
If i buy a packet of a milk and it is rotten dont i deserve my money back
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Oventoasted
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:55:00 -
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maybe you have a crappy CPU or a very bad cable/DSL line(if you dont have this and are still using dial-up there's your problem).
cuz before RMR i could run WoW and Eve or CoH and eve at the same time Eve only takeing up ~150,000 or something. now i cant do to lack of RAM, eve now uses 230,000 bytes of RAM.
so my point is maybe its time for a upgrade.
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Emily Spankratchet
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:56:00 -
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If you read the EULA, CCP don't guarantee to provide a lag-free gaming experience. In fact, they don't guarantee much at all.
Of course, EULAs aren't worth the electrons they're written with until challenged in a court of law. Nonetheless, taking things as they're written you pay for access to a server that may or may not be up and may or may not be playable.
The lag is annoying me too. But from what I see in Dev communications, I get the impression that they love the game as much as us and want it to work properly too. I don't think they're sitting around counting their cash and ignoring the lag problems.
Hmmm, maybe if they ban everyone who whines about lag on the forums the player count will drop below 20K again and we'll have a better playing experience... Worth a try, IMHO.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:57:00 -
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I only have problems when their are ~ 20k players online. And then there IS a major problem ( which should be solved by febuary atleast ) but it is only on 2 days of the week and not everyone feels it.
But yes if you lost a ship because of lag... you should petition it. Just don't put a high priority to hear from them soon. And also, if you can't afford to loose it you can't afford to fly it.
Originally by: "Oveur"
I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:58:00 -
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If you don't like what the game has become, cancel.
It isn't like CCP are forcing you to play.
No matter what way you slice it, it really is that simple.
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.01.15 16:58:00 -
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I haven't been getting lag for a while. I had a small problem yestaurday with connection problems, but it was my end, and today with some wierd lag that fixed itself after I logged back in. Either your in a high-load area, or your end is FUBAR :P
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Am ster
What is eve:
Eve is a 24/7(with the exeption of daily downtime) service offered for a monthly fee.
Straight away, you're wrong. The rest of your post is based on this so it takes a pretty steep nosedive into the ground after this point. Please actually read the EULA you agreed to before bringing stuff like this up. It defines the service you pay for as one that is not of uninterrupted gameplay. You are not guaranteed 23/7 access to eve or lagless gameplay.
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Am ster
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:03:00 -
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My issue is with lag and lag alone i like this game alot
2 weeks and no improvemment has been there
there is no such thing as a free expenson vixa and if u think so......
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Anon amous
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Oventoasted
Edited by: Oventoasted on 15/01/2006 17:00:17
maybe you have a crappy CPU or a very bad cable/DSL line(if you dont have this and are still using dial-up there's your problem).
cuz before RMR i could run WoW and Eve or CoH and eve at the same time Eve only takeing up ~150,000 or something. now i cant do to lack of RAM, eve now uses 230,000 bytes of RAM.
so my point is maybe its time for a upgrade.
edit: only 1 time i had lag and it was mild at that. only took me a bit longer to get out of station. besides that my stay in Eve has been lag free.
yea did you check this Am Ster?
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Am ster
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Am ster on 15/01/2006 17:07:55
I have 512 mb ram + 256 mb videocard and i only run eve nothing else
I could use a new pc but it is just not in there ATM
but thanks for actually reading what i posted
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Oventoasted
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Am ster
Edited by: Am ster on 15/01/2006 17:08:01
I have 512 mb ram + 256 mb videocard and i only run eve nothing else
I could use a new pc but it is just not in there ATM
but thanks for actually reading what i posted
A HA! theres your problem i have a gig of ram and a 128 vid card and i never lagged. soo get another 512 it should help.
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Sirkill
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:14:00 -
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I cant belive people seriously ask for financial reimbursment, I mean what are you going to do with the ú10 that is four weeks sub? On the other hand it doea mean CCP losing úmillion.
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Am ster
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Am ster on 15/01/2006 17:16:05
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Originally by: Am ster
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What is eve:
Eve is a 24/7(with the exeption of daily downtime) service offered for a monthly fee.
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Straight away, you're wrong. The rest of your post is based on this so it takes a pretty steep nosedive into the ground after this point. Please actually read the EULA you agreed to before bringing stuff like this up. It defines the service you pay for as one that is not of uninterrupted gameplay. You are not guaranteed 23/7 access to eve or lagless gameplay.
Not lagless not 23/7. But gamplay is what i would like and what i bought in my opinion. maybe i am wrong could a DEV also comment on this please
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Drakesh
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:21:00 -
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Yeah check your RAM dude, Eve seems to be using a lot more of it these days...
It has got a little laggier, with the recent changes and all, but remember the playerbase has increased massively where now we seem to be getting 20k (or close to) every single night. I trust CCP will do their bit and get the hw upgraded as soon as they can get it implemented.
Ram upgrade ftw?
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 15/01/2006 17:26:34
Originally by: Am ster
Not lagless not 23/7. But gamplay is what i would like and what i bought in my opinion. maybe i am wrong could a DEV also comment on this please
No. You don't get an opinion about what you bought. It's a fact and by definition you can't contradict facts with opinion. They have a contract with you, as you gleefully pointed out in the first post when you thought it supported your cause. Now that you've found out it debunks your entire argument, you're back to ignoring the contract in favour of putting forward your opinion.
Facts are facts. You aren't entitled to it like you made out in the original post. Plenty of people have asked nicely about it or asked about it but your original post was making out like you were entitled to it - it was almost a demand.
Now lets' go over the financial rammifications of giving two weeks back to everyone. Each player would save about ú5. ú5 isn't that much to people. CCP, on the other hand, would lose ú400,000 to ú500,000GBP. Half a million quid. You think they can afford to pay out half a million quid to say sorry for the lag?
I really don't want to be insulting and I'm trying to be up front and honest without crossing that line so I apologise if it offends you but what you're asking for is something completely unreasonable and you're making out like you're entitled to it.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Am ster
Not lagless not 23/7. But gamplay is what i would like and what i bought in my opinion. maybe i am wrong could a DEV also comment on this please
You don't get an opinion about what you bought. It's a fact and by definition you can't contradict facts with opinion. They have a contract with you, as you gleefully pointed out in the first post when you thought it supported your cause. Now that you've found out it debunks your entire argument, you're back to ignoring the contract in favour of putting forward your opinion.
Facts are facts. You aren't entitled to it like you made out in the original post. Plenty of people have asked nicely about it or asked about it but your original post was making out.
Now lets' go over the financial rammifications of giving two weeks back to everyone. Each player would save about ú5. ú5 isn't that much to people. CCP, on the other hand, would lose ú400,000 to ú500,000GBP. Half a million quid. You think they can afford to pay out half a million quid to say sorry for the lag?
I really don't want to be insulting and I'm trying to be up front and honest without crossing that line so I apologise if it offends you but what you're asking for is something completely unreasonable and you're making out like you're entitled to it.
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Dr Happy
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Montague Zooma
Remember, the game is free. All we pay for is access to their server!
nope you have to pay to buy the game
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inSpirAcy
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:38:00 -
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While I agree with the basis of some form of compensation, the practicalities suggest it won't happen. You can at least be happy that CCP is being heavily penalised for it; that new cluster isn't cheap by any stretch of the word.
I do want to counter some of the misinformed posts in this thread though, in your support, who claim that the lag doesn't exist or is minimal. You will only experience this lag in certain systems and at certain times; if you haven't experienced it, closing your eyes and saying it doesn't exist achieves nothing. I can point you to lots of systems that will never experience lag; I know a number of them by heart.
I am currently sitting in a level 3 kill mission in Isikesu, in a system that is experiencing (moderate, by my experience) lag. With four cruisers pounding on my ship (thankfully this is a heavily passive-tanked Ferox, or she'd be dead by now), I'm waiting upwards of a minute for modules to (de)activate. I can't reload my launchers at all; they've been flashing for the last 15 minutes. It took 15 minutes to warp in (across a two-hop journey); those lax deadlines start to look tight under these circumstances.
My last attempt in a totally different system at L2 Tech Secrets 3 nearly lost me a Caracal, as it took almost two minutes to warp out (in structure). I'm now choosing mission agents based purely on location, not quality, for fear of losing ships to unforseen lag spikes. All of my L3 choices are in locations that experience lag regularly.
Yes, there's no lag. It's all in your imagination. Or my PC. Or my net connection. But there's no lag. Jeez, you'd think people would have noticed the evidence by now... 
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Oventoasted
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
Yes, there's no lag. It's all in your imagination. Or my PC. Or my net connection. But there's no lag. Jeez, you'd think people would have noticed the evidence by now...
yes i know its easier to blame another for a problem then to see if its actually you who has the problem.
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inSpirAcy
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:44:00 -
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You want me to post the traceroutes and CPU load graphs to prove otherwise?
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Oventoasted
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Posted - 2006.01.15 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
You want me to post the traceroutes and CPU load graphs to prove otherwise?
maybe i would.....
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