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Laborantine Sensai	Posted - 2006.01.15 20:32:00 - [1] Edited by: Laborantine Sensai on 15/01/2006 20:33:27 -Why did ccp changed the 48 Research lab slots into SEPERATE 20 ME slots, 20PE slots, 10 copy slots. Most BP are researched 1 PE, 5-10 ME, and are copied... Should be more like: -5 PE slots(75% of them are alway free anyway) -30 ME slots -15 copy slots Notes: ME, mineral Efficiency PE, production efficiency Copy, using a BluePrintOriginal, and making copie with it. Also, why manufacturing an T2 item is MORE PROFITABLE (in time) than selling BPC ? It furter increase bottleneck of FEW SUPPLY modules.
mahhy	Posted - 2006.01.15 20:36:00 - [2] Originally by: Laborantine Sensai Also, why manufacturing an T2 item is MORE PROFITABLE (in time) than selling BPC ? It furter increase bottleneck of FEW SUPPLY modules. Because CCP want the item to be manufactured, not the BPO to be copied. Its done by design.
DHU InMe	Posted - 2006.01.15 20:37:00 - [3] Originally by: mahhy Originally by: Laborantine Sensai Also, why manufacturing an T2 item is MORE PROFITABLE (in time) than selling BPC ? It furter increase bottleneck of FEW SUPPLY modules. Because CCP want the item to be manufactured, not the BPO to be copied. Its done by design. I'm sure people would like an official / semi-official dev / bh / isd / moderator on this. __ BP n bugs Got a new idea ? (Last updated 5 Sept 05)
Laborantine Sensai	Posted - 2006.01.15 21:25:00 - [4] Bump: Move my topic in labs please?
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2006.01.15 21:46:00 - [5] Then how about making it actually worthwhile to do any PE research at all? Remind me about The Maze. I'm Danton Marcellus and I approve of this message.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.01.15 21:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Then how about making it actually worthwhile to do any PE research at all? It is I research PE on all my BPOs, and it is very useful. Perfect PE = 20% build time reduction, even better than ME. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
mahhy	Posted - 2006.01.16 10:28:00 - [7] Originally by: DHU InMe Originally by: mahhy Originally by: Laborantine Sensai Also, why manufacturing an T2 item is MORE PROFITABLE (in time) than selling BPC ? It furter increase bottleneck of FEW SUPPLY modules. Because CCP want the item to be manufactured, not the BPO to be copied. Its done by design. I'm sure people would like an official / semi-official dev / bh / isd / moderator on this. So CCP designing T2 in such a way that copying takes longer than building isn't good enough? C'mon, its plainly obvious they don't want the T2 market to go the way of T1.
Laborantine Sensai	Posted - 2006.01.20 15:57:00 - [8] Originally by: mahhy Originally by: DHU InMe Originally by: mahhy Originally by: Laborantine Sensai Also, why manufacturing an T2 item is MORE PROFITABLE (in time) than selling BPC ? It furter increase bottleneck of FEW SUPPLY modules. Because CCP want the item to be manufactured, not the BPO to be copied. Its done by design. I'm sure people would like an official / semi-official dev / bh / isd / moderator on this. So CCP designing T2 in such a way that copying takes longer than building isn't good enough? C'mon, its plainly obvious they don't want the T2 market to go the way of T1. To keep the same illogism, let multiply the copy & manufacture time by 100 then... -T2 are costly (few supplyer) -T2 ship have useless insurance (medium demand in comparaison of all t1, named stuff) -T2 have 20 BPO for each module. (extreme rarity supplyer) Where the law of "demand and offer free market" ? Maybe is not a MONOPOLE, but it an OLIGOPOLE. Demand vs Supplyer for T2 is around 20:1 Demand vs Supplyer for T1 is around 100:120 Ya, T1 had few opportunities for beginer, but T2 don't have any oportinuty for them, they all sell their BPO t2 anyway to big wallet.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2006.01.20 16:21:00 - [9] Tech 1 is supposed to be widely avaiable, it's there for all of us and is what we all would be using most of the time. Tech 2 is supposed to be rare, expensive and risky to be using, for now. In due time, once a new tech expansion comes around, I'm sure CCP will increase the supply levels of tech2 so that it becomes a more common and more easily attained level of technology.
Kylania	Posted - 2006.01.20 16:51:00 - [10] I'm a little disappointed by the 40 day+ ME jobs happening out there. What BPOs are those? :) I do agree that more PL slots should be shifted to ME slots if only to help with the demand. The other night in Sinq Laison region there were only 3 open slots, and maybe a few others that had only 1 day of cooking still to go. Thankfully manufacturing slots seem mostly available. -- Lil Miner

DHU InMe	Posted - 2006.01.20 22:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Kylania I'm a little disappointed by the 40 day+ ME jobs happening out there. What BPOs are those? :) I do agree that more PL slots should be shifted to ME slots if only to help with the demand. The other night in Sinq Laison region there were only 3 open slots, and maybe a few others that had only 1 day of cooking still to go. Thankfully manufacturing slots seem mostly available. All released t2 ammo and probably other new t1 Drones. __ BP n bugs Got a new idea ? (Last updated 5 Sept 05)
Ricdic	Posted - 2006.01.20 23:39:00 - [12] Yeh my t2 rocket bpo requires 6 days for each run researching ME in the labs. Same with copying. Production time for 1 run takes 11 hours. This is why labs are being hammered. T1 has always been a joke. As I have previously stated, build times on ALL t1 items/ships needs to be 5x what it is now. Therefore a battleship will take 24 hours to build, and ie a Siege Launcher I will take 4 hours. This will make the production industry more specialised, make PE on bp's crucial, and producers will actually need to plan their building queues, not just put 50 runs of this today, 50 runs of that tomorrow. Small Module - 1 hour Med Module - 2 hour Large Module - 4 hour Small ship - 2 hour Med Ship - 7 hour Large Ship - 48 hour They should follow a similar (but not as steep) path as capital construction, in terms of build times. This would make bpo's profitable again, and producers could actually corner parts of the market in their given area, as it hasnt been completely flooded. ------------------------------------------ Dreadnought Production INC is recruiting Join DPI Channel Or Visit (IGB) http://www.mmorpg-online.net/intro.html
Ayla Vanir	Posted - 2006.01.21 00:01:00 - [13] Back on topic, yes, I think ME is an unecessary bottleneck and needs more slots devoted to it. Whether those slots are allocated out of the pool of existing PE, copy or manufacturing slots - or if they're newly created slots specifically for ME - doesn't matter to me. What's irksome is waiting 11 days for a station 9 jumps out from base, just to get into a slot that is cheap enough to justify doing any research at all. I may be missing some part of the master plan so I don't know if this is intended or not. But it seems more trouble than it's worth at this point to try to enter into a production market (unless going for the pot of gold at the end of the T2 Research Agent rainbow). I currently make more ISK (for less time, effort, or risk) reselling other people's stuff. I didn't need to train skills to do that. Escrow Market Revamp
Laborantine Sensai	Posted - 2006.01.25 19:38:00 - [14] Originally by: Ayla Vanir Back on topic, yes, I think ME is an unecessary bottleneck and needs more slots devoted to it. Whether those slots are allocated out of the pool of existing PE, copy or manufacturing slots - or if they're newly created slots specifically for ME - doesn't matter to me. What's irksome is waiting 11 days for a station 9 jumps out from base, just to get into a slot that is cheap enough to justify doing any research at all. I may be missing some part of the master plan so I don't know if this is intended or not. But it seems more trouble than it's worth at this point to try to enter into a production market (unless going for the pot of gold at the end of the T2 Research Agent rainbow). I currently make more ISK (for less time, effort, or risk) reselling other people's stuff. I didn't need to train skills to do that. Thk to be back on topic !
Lardarz B'stard	Posted - 2006.01.25 21:44:00 - [15] The system is a bit better in that you can order slots in advance and stop people hogging them as used to happen. There maybe is an issue with the balance of copy/pe/me slots available, but in all the research revamp goes a long way towards answering the previous criticisms that have been levelled at it. maggot for the win
Laborantine Sensai	Posted - 2006.02.12 18:28:00 - [16] Sinic: I understand why they can get back ressource from their server since all PE aren't used ....


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