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Garrett Howe
Humans Organizing for the World
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Posted - 2013.09.22 20:49:00 -
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I want to make a Widow build for roaming around in low and null-sec, popping rats and doing missions. However, from some of the threads I've read, the Widow does not seem to be a good solo vessel. Is there a better Caldari option available if the Widow is no good? |

Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.22 20:50:00 -
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Tengu? Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |

Garrett Howe
Humans Organizing for the World
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Posted - 2013.09.22 20:55:00 -
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Caleidascope wrote:Tengu?
I've never dealt with T3 Cruisers, so I'm not really sure how they are fitted but I'll look into it. |

Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.22 21:14:00 -
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You will certainly understand much better with this wonderful website/tool about T3 cruisers. I really find it clear, easy and useful : http://www.ellatha.com/eve/T3.asp |

Mathias Orsen
Sacred Templars Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.09.22 22:02:00 -
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Widow is great for PVE as far as black ops ships go. Black-ops just have generally lower DPS compared to other BS types. You need to get hardwires to really push the limit on DPS. The main reason to rat in it is so that you can cyno around as needed. Otherwise, it's a poor choice of ship and a huge waste for PVE. |

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.23 01:29:00 -
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Please post the lossmail once you try this. |

Mathias Orsen
Sacred Templars Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.09.23 04:11:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Please post the lossmail once you try this.
Said like someone that has knows nothing about what they are talking about..
Of all the Battleship hulls in EVE, the Widow is actually the least likely to pop. Few ships can match it's tank. Roaming in null sec, it's one of only 4 Battleships that can jump past camps. That trumps all over an interdiction cloaking strat cruiser. Even if you jump through a gate and hit a camp with 20 frigates it can warp away if there is no bubble to stop it.
The widow just gives up DPS for it's Black ops abilities. The widow was the first ship I bought for the purpose of running 10/10s in hostile space. It has the benifit of range but the Panther does better at getting the job done.
[Widow, rat] Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist A-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Large Micro Jump Drive
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II Dread Guristas Cloaking Device
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Hammerhead II x5
with the MJD, it's more tank than you would ever need for PVE. 715 DPS faction cruise. 871 DPS Fury Cruise. 158 DPS hammerheads. 1029 Max DPS.
implants needed. CM-605, MP-705, GP-805, TN-905, RL-1005
You also need an alt with cyno lvl 5 to drop covert cynos where you want to go.
Really hard to loose a ship that travels via covert cyno. Get's easier when you treat it like a t1 BS and use the gates.
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Crellion
Parental Control
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Posted - 2013.09.23 05:50:00 -
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Mathias Orsen wrote:Widow is great for PVE as far as black ops ships go. Black-ops just have generally lower DPS compared to other BS types. You need to get hardwires to really push the limit on DPS. The main reason to rat in it is so that you can cyno around as needed. Otherwise, it's a poor choice of ship and a huge waste for PVE.
Cyno around is one option. Being the only class ship that can do the mwd cloak trick without an actual mwd is another solid reason to use it in low sec... The dps fit below got me thinking to be honest... Widow +Sin doctor could be an interesting dual BS set up for the top end pve uses... |

PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.09.26 05:46:00 -
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Mathias Orsen wrote:IIshira wrote:Please post the lossmail once you try this. Said like someone that has knows nothing about what they are talking about.. Of all the Battleship hulls in EVE, the Widow is actually the least likely to pop. Few ships can match it's tank. Roaming in null sec, it's one of only 4 Battleships that can jump past camps. That trumps all over an interdiction cloaking strat cruiser. Even if you jump through a gate and hit a camp with 20 frigates it can warp away if there is no bubble to stop it. The widow just gives up DPS for it's Black ops abilities. The widow was the first ship I bought for the purpose of running 10/10s in hostile space. It has the benifit of range but the Panther does better at getting the job done. [Widow, rat] Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist A-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Large Micro Jump Drive Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II Dread Guristas Cloaking Device Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Hammerhead II x5 with the MJD, it's more tank than you would ever need for PVE. 715 DPS faction cruise. 871 DPS Fury Cruise. 158 DPS hammerheads. 1029 Max DPS. implants needed. CM-605, MP-705, GP-805, TN-905, RL-1005 You also need an alt with cyno lvl 5 to drop covert cynos where you want to go. Really hard to loose a ship that travels via covert cyno. Get's easier when you treat it like a t1 BS and use the gates.
And it only costs significantly more than a carrier. Could probly use some officer mods too.
Edit: If you're going to use 2 ships (you'll have a covert cyno for that thing, right?), why not just use a T1 BS (fitted with a cloak) + cloaky scout (e.g. a buzzard). Does the same thing your widow does for what, 5% of that ships cost? |

Mike Whiite
Cupid Stunts. The Wolfpack Nexus
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Posted - 2013.09.26 06:50:00 -
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Although there are sollid strategies wandering arround with a Widow doing PvE, it has one vital Flaw, the minute people pick it up on the scanners, you'll be hunted down by every PvP gang and there mothers. Forcing to either stay cloaked for times that will lower you income to far below high sec missioning, or being shot down
It's exotic, it's expensive and it's a kill mail players will pass arround for year to show of to their friends.
so it will apeal to every PvP-er out there.
This is actualy it's biggest flaw.
though I've seen people find the realy quiet spots Covert opp Cryo in run some sites and jump back again. |

Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1501
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Posted - 2013.09.26 13:26:00 -
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Mathias Orsen wrote:IIshira wrote:Please post the lossmail once you try this. Said like someone that has knows nothing about what they are talking about..
Most people posting fits here think putting multiples of something on a ship makes it win, so...
Oh, wait. Sorry... I just saw your fit. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |

BearsWithTeeth Eve
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:06:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Mathias Orsen wrote:IIshira wrote:Please post the lossmail once you try this. Said like someone that has knows nothing about what they are talking about.. Most people posting fits here think putting multiples of something on a ship makes it win, so... Oh, wait. Sorry... I just saw your fit.
While his fit maybe a tad wonky, I agree with him that the comment made was ignorant. The key benefit to any PVE black ops is its unrivalled travel capabilities:
1) Instant travel: - No time loss travelling to the site. - You no longer need a scanner, scout and site running ship. Just the scanner and the Blops. Tip: have a Cov Ops Cyno
You could do this in a carrier, but for that you need a station system or at least a POS shield. Either way you are risking just as much for less time efficiency or you are risking much more by hopping out of your carrier and leaving it in the POS. I haven't covered all the ins and outs here, but the point stands: With no other PVE setup do you get such impunity.
2) No risk with transporting loot back to your nest. - Just move your cov cyno back home or have a mate light it.
3) In the case of the widow, Tengu-like Tank and DPS (though damage application to frigs is a bit troublesome) In the case of a Sin, Great damage application that belongs to the Domi and other Sentry boats.... the only thing i'd add is that you should do it with friends in RR.
Shamelessly, I offer my 'goods' ^_^,
My blog offering thoughts on blackops PVE Breaking Paradigms: Black Ops PVE
Link to a template of a 'fit' Widow Black Ops PVE Fit - Health's Folly
The expense is what it is (with any blops). Yes you can do it better in a SNI or a Domi, but there are a whole lot of 'meta' issues that surround the Combat Sig running activity that takes up alot of your time. |

Mathias Orsen
Sacred Templars Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:11:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Mathias Orsen wrote:IIshira wrote:Please post the lossmail once you try this. Said like someone that has knows nothing about what they are talking about.. Of all the Battleship hulls in EVE, the Widow is actually the least likely to pop. Few ships can match it's tank. Roaming in null sec, it's one of only 4 Battleships that can jump past camps. That trumps all over an interdiction cloaking strat cruiser. Even if you jump through a gate and hit a camp with 20 frigates it can warp away if there is no bubble to stop it. The widow just gives up DPS for it's Black ops abilities. The widow was the first ship I bought for the purpose of running 10/10s in hostile space. It has the benifit of range but the Panther does better at getting the job done. [Widow, rat] Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Gist A-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive Large Micro Jump Drive Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II Dread Guristas Cloaking Device Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Hammerhead II x5 with the MJD, it's more tank than you would ever need for PVE. 715 DPS faction cruise. 871 DPS Fury Cruise. 158 DPS hammerheads. 1029 Max DPS. implants needed. CM-605, MP-705, GP-805, TN-905, RL-1005 You also need an alt with cyno lvl 5 to drop covert cynos where you want to go. Really hard to loose a ship that travels via covert cyno. Get's easier when you treat it like a t1 BS and use the gates. And it only costs significantly more than a carrier. Could probly use some officer mods too. Edit: If you're going to use 2 ships (you'll have a covert cyno for that thing, right?), why not just use a T1 BS (fitted with a cloak) + cloaky scout (e.g. a buzzard). Does the same thing your widow does for what, 5% of that ships cost?
It's not like that. For a t1 BS to do the same thing, it would need the same mods. Then comes the question, would you put 3 bil in modules on a t1 hull? For less than a bill you can have a ship that can get in and out of any system covertly.
Most people know that it's nearly impossible to catch a black-ops. They have to come to you. You might have a few hopeless alliance guys causing a disruption sometimes. It always ends the same. They camp you in till you decide to move on and you disappear from local. The rest depends on how long it takes for them to realize you are wasting as much of their time as they are yours. Early enough and you might find that complex you were running is still waiting on you.
In a t1 ship? You don't wanna get camped in. It's log off time for the night. |

Fettle
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:17:00 -
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Supporting my FA bro, Mathias Orsen +1 To u bud! If they don't wanna buy the idea for free, more iskies for us in less time and less stress ;) To you guys worried about the expense, it be like getting your hands on a Ferrari and fearing taking it out and driving fast because you'd not want to dent it.
And read that blog peoples, good insights |

BearsWithTeeth Eve
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:22:00 -
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Crellion wrote: Cyno around is one option. Being the only class ship that can do the mwd cloak trick without an actual mwd is another solid reason to use it in low sec... The dps fit below got me thinking to be honest... Widow +Sin doctor could be an interesting dual BS set up for the top end pve uses...
For group work, just go straight Sins friend ^_^ better damage application. Frigs mean nothing and no reload time. You can circumvent Drones been targeted by remote sebo boosting them (for some reason draws attention to pilots). RR Sin most security and damage application. You don't need guns and the extra rep is important.
For solo, Widows are king. Great Solo tank, great overall DPS. They'll struggle wit frigs abit. |

Mathias Orsen
Sacred Templars Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:37:00 -
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Since the post was about a Widow, I gave my personal input on that ship but I would like to say that, Once fit and used right, the panther is the younger brother of the mach. The damage application from turrets is far better. A simple switch of the ammo and you go from long range ship to a short and hard hitter for when you need maximum DPS.
I do highly praise the widow though. I always use the widow to get my feet wet when moving to a new and unfamiliar region. No matter how bad it get's the widow will make it home. My friends beg me to get my mach when we run complexes together though. |

BearsWithTeeth Eve
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:44:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote: Edit: If you're going to use 2 ships (you'll have a covert cyno for that thing, right?), why not just use a T1 BS (fitted with a cloak) + cloaky scout (e.g. a buzzard). Does the same thing your widow does for what, 5% of that ships cost?
The problem with that is that IF you only have 2 ships, one scanner and one T1 BS, you have to send that scanner back to scout your T1 BS to the site. Mayb you have another char on that account, so you log off the scanner and use that char to scout your T1 BS... still, what is obvious is that you have to temporarily leave the site to scout you through. In that time another care-bear could scan down the site, and in your absence start it.
I've known people to have left their site to go and switch into their dual rattlesnake setup, only to find that the site was now occupied by a new comer.
So in your scenario you generally require 3 accounts or a cloaky nulli-fied T3 (Tengu most likely) fit to travel there, and then re-dress appropriately to do the site in the nearest station system. All that takes time which increases your exposure to risk. You could call it time risk ^_^ |

BearsWithTeeth Eve
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:48:00 -
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Mathias Orsen wrote:Since the post was about a Widow, I gave my personal input on that ship but I would like to say that, Once fit and used right, the panther is the younger brother of the mach. The damage application from turrets is far better. A simple switch of the ammo and you go from long range ship to a short and hard hitter for when you need maximum DPS.
I do highly praise the widow though. I always use the widow to get my feet wet when moving to a new and unfamiliar region. No matter how bad it get's the widow will make it home. My friends beg me to get my mach when we run complexes together though.
I would be interested in taking a look at that fit ;D I am fairly confident in saying that the Panther and the Redeemer just aren't up to the task. They have no RR capability vs a Sin and their solo doesn't match the widow (from the fits i've tweaked).
BTW why do you fit so many shield boost amps? you'd be better off shifting to a larger (large or x-large) gisti booster and adding passive resists vs the NPC's you're tanking in place of the extra amplifiers. Check out the link I made for my widow fit. It is tried tested and fairly optimal for the task. |

Mathias Orsen
Sacred Templars Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.09.27 04:19:00 -
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BearsWithTeeth Eve wrote:
BTW why do you fit so many shield boost amps? you'd be better off shifting to a larger (large or x-large) gisti booster and adding passive resists vs the NPC's you're tanking in place of the extra amplifiers. Check out the link I made for my widow fit. It is tried tested and fairly optimal for the task.
I actually had it fit a bit differently for a stronger tank again the rats I currently encounter. Going a larger rep only meant you needed to produce a lot more cap to get a better shield per cap ratio. So it becomes an option of running medium repper and amps or a x-large booster and need to produce serious cap. |

Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
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Posted - 2013.10.06 03:53:00 -
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If you want more security running a site you can use a all in one T3 scanner/cyno as well as offgrid boster. Can't go wrong with that in my opinion. -Bl+¦d
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Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:43:00 -
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[Widow, rat] Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Damage Control II
Gist C-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith X-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Republic Fleet Target Painter Republic Fleet Target Painter Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster Large Micro Jump Drive
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Cruise Missile Covert Jump Portal Generator I Dread Guristas Cloaking Device
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Large Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
This is what I use. 800 ranged dps, 1200 dps tank serps guristas. MJD. And portal generator. Pretty much uncatchable if you cloaky when people are in system, which you should.
I'm using crystal set except omega and missile imps. |

Cage Man
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:34:00 -
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I used a shield tanked sin and a cloak and nullified tengu with a covert cyco to do my nija'ing. It worked pretty well , so I think the widow will also work. As mentioned in the thread, this is a the easiest and safest way to rat in null if you not part of the sov block. I used a bomber and a chimera also, but many systems are cyno jammed so the cov ops cyno works much better. Only challenge I see with a BLOPS that uses ammo is you need to be close to a store to buy refills, easy enough to jump in and out.. so not that big a deal. One important thing to learn is when systems are busy and when they are safe. Biggest problem these days in null is not the residents, but the afk cloaky neutrals (easy enough to see as they are in local but not in the sov holding alliance). This seems to be a growing style of play in null... hot drop o'clock The thick plottens... CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back?? |

Infinity Ziona
Hot Drop Buns
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:46:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:I used a shield tanked sin and a cloak and nullified tengu with a covert cyco to do my nija'ing. It worked pretty well , so I think the widow will also work. As mentioned in the thread, this is a the easiest and safest way to rat in null if you not part of the sov block. I used a bomber and a chimera also, but many systems are cyno jammed so the cov ops cyno works much better. Only challenge I see with a BLOPS that uses ammo is you need to be close to a store to buy refills, easy enough to jump in and out.. so not that big a deal. One important thing to learn is when systems are busy and when they are safe. Biggest problem these days in null is not the residents, but the afk cloaky neutrals (easy enough to see as they are in local but not in the sov holding alliance). This seems to be a growing style of play in null... hot drop o'clock Its a pain in the ass with the ammo. I have thrown a few giant secures around where I hunt filled with ammo, have a good 100 mill in cruise out in null now. I'm very careful so I never go near them unless local is completely empty. So far no one has bothered to find them and blow them up.
That shield tanked Sin sounds really interesting. Have an obsession for shield tanking Gallente boats. |

Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:30:00 -
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What about a Redeemer then if you have issues with ammo? -Bl+¦d
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Mathias Orsen
Sacred Templars Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:32:00 -
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Blodhgarm Dethahal wrote:What about a Redeemer then if you have issues with ammo?
Redeemer is likely the most difficult Blops to use for complexes due to Armor tanks being much weaker than shield. With shield, you can use Implants to boost your tank. The same can not be done with armor. If you are moving a Blops around in hostile space, you should be using a t3 for bubble proof scouting and covert cyno. Have that t3 be your supply line as well as working out of the many NPC Pirate stations. |
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