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Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.16 17:35:00 - [1] If I can't you can't. GOOD LUCK. Seriously, trying to give up EVE is like trying to cut your legs off. Do it, I dare you. _________ roflfest 2006 - be there
mirel yirrin	Posted - 2006.01.16 17:35:00 - [2] Went on a 3 month vacation from eve since eve was getting into my life too much...here's what happened. Day 1: Gave up Eve last night. Spent the entire day doing absolutely nothing. Day 2: Tried to look up EvE news on bbc.co.uk. Was called a "Sad old bint" by various family members Day 3: Suffering from some sort of Shaking and nerveous ticking. Played ludo. Day 4: Argh...Starting to draw Eve fleet battles on paper. Dreamt of Piracy in Eve Day 5: Today: Came back to Eve. Am I a little bit too involved with this game? Perhaps? Just a little bit? Just a little bit? Just a little bit? ---------------------------------
Harisdrop	Posted - 2006.01.16 17:36:00 - [3] Resistance is fultile! -------------------------- Qoute: The single reason I even decided to give this game a shot was because of reading a post by a n00b crying about being ganked and losing everything. I just had to try
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.01.16 17:37:00 - [4] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa If I can't you can't. GOOD LUCK. Seriously, trying to give up EVE is like trying to cut your legs off. Do it, I dare you. Actually, you can... chop your hands off. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Kurren	Posted - 2006.01.16 17:38:00 - [5] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa If I can't you can't. GOOD LUCK. Seriously, trying to give up EVE is like trying to cut your legs off. Do it, I dare you. OH GOD... THE GOD AWFUL PAIN!!... THE BLOOD... BLEEDING SO MUCH... BLEEDING TO DEA... hey a new agent offer! ************************************************* Sobakai Resources, here for you!
Hal2	Posted - 2006.01.16 17:41:00 - [6] Last guy I know that said he was quiting was gone for two days... Came back with a second account
mirel yirrin	Posted - 2006.01.16 17:42:00 - [7] It was so goddam boring. I couldn't belive how much I relied on eve! ---------------------------------
Avon	Posted - 2006.01.16 17:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Siigari Kitawa If I can't you can't. GOOD LUCK. Seriously, trying to give up EVE is like trying to cut your legs off. Do it, I dare you. Actually, you can... chop your hands off. Once you have chopped off the first hand, how do you chop off the second one? ______________________________________________ The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.01.16 17:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Actually, you can... chop your hands off. Once you have chopped off the first hand, how do you chop off the second one? Hehehe, never used a guillotine before? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Munjo Jerry	Posted - 2006.01.16 17:46:00 - [10] this game is too adictive i got 2 accounts now like an idiot. its a game its just a game, but why am i stuck on it soo much. well i drop eve for beer and women the rest of things in life i drop for eve
Kalixa Hihro	Posted - 2006.01.16 17:57:00 - [11] Originally by: mirel yirrin Went on a 3 month vacation from eve since eve was getting into my life too much...here's what happened. Day 1: Gave up Eve last night. Spent the entire day doing absolutely nothing. Day 2: Tried to look up EvE news on bbc.co.uk. Was called a "Sad old bint" by various family members Day 3: Suffering from some sort of Shaking and nerveous ticking. Played ludo. Day 4: Argh...Starting to draw Eve fleet battles on paper. Dreamt of Piracy in Eve Day 5: Today: Came back to Eve. Am I a little bit too involved with this game? Perhaps? Just a little bit? Just a little bit? Just a little bit? Well, eve is way too much fun to give up entirely. Have you thought of trying moderation, instead of constantly playing it? Here's how it works: 1. Dock your ship in a station. 2. Step away from the keyboard. 3. Do something spontaneous, like go to the movies, get some real food (grocery shopping is a substitute), or walk the dog. Call up your friends and go out for a beer. Take your girlfriend/(wife or lover) out on a date. You don't even need to log out. Eve will be waiting when you get back. I used to be just like you and everyone started hating me. I started following the above advice and now my spouse, son, and dog like me a lot better. I just do the opposite, do real life til you are bored, then play eve. I find myself playing less lately, but my experience isn't any less. It's actually better because it seems like skills finish faster, even though I know they don't. I get bummed when I miss a hauler spawn, but don't dwell on it. Hunt for a couple of hours 4-5 times a week, as opposed to playing every waking moment, and everyone in your life will become more important to you and they'll like you better. I usually log my character in, and when a moment arrives that I would be simply watching tv (son is taking a bath, or spouse and son go out to do something like real estate stuff, my spouse's career, son likes to tag along) I play. When they get back, I finish whatever it is I am doing, dock and go afk. On Saturday and Sunday each, I reserve a block of 4 hours to do mining ops, or PvPing, whatever. -Kal
Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.16 17:58:00 - [12] /me is grossed out by the amount of blood in the thread. _________ roflfest 2006 - be there

Wrangler	Posted - 2006.01.16 18:04:00 - [13] I guess this thread might be a joke.. but if it's true I honestly feel sorry for you. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators] - [Give me money!]

Siigari Kitawa	Posted - 2006.01.16 18:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Wrangler I guess this thread might be a joke.. but if it's true I honestly feel sorry for you. OMG may I begin training? click _________ roflfest 2006 - be there
sallyr	Posted - 2006.01.16 18:12:00 - [15] there are only a 5 cures for eve: 1. having a life (its sad but its true) - going out and having fun does distract you from eve. 2. a new love interest (GIRLS!!!!!) - these often have boobs which are easly the best substitute to eve . . .but then im a randy teenager so what the hell do i know. 3. drink . . .get so smashed that u cant turn on your pc - that doesnt seem to work for alot of players i know tho, they just seem to lose ships and laugh about it. 4. no money, not having enough money to pay for eve often (not always) stop you playing it 5. DIEING (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
ApophisXP	Posted - 2006.01.16 18:24:00 - [16] Originally by: mirel yirrin Went on a 3 month vacation from eve since eve was getting into my life too much...here's what happened. Day 1: Gave up Eve last night. Spent the entire day doing absolutely nothing. Day 2: Tried to look up EvE news on bbc.co.uk. Was called a "Sad old bint" by various family members Day 3: Suffering from some sort of Shaking and nerveous ticking. Played ludo. Day 4: Argh...Starting to draw Eve fleet battles on paper. Dreamt of Piracy in Eve Day 5: Today: Came back to Eve. Am I a little bit too involved with this game? Perhaps? Just a little bit? Just a little bit? Just a little bit? hehe i know how you feel, in the 1 and a half years ive been with the game now ive tried this 3 times... of course lasting more than a day apart... took 2 days each time to come back Seriously, you meet people in the game that just become part of the evening youknow, talking to your m8s and so on and even the odd gathering now and then helps strenghten that. And another thing... EVE is TOOOOO Adictive.... seriously its just stupidly adictive
space fox	Posted - 2006.01.16 18:41:00 - [17] Edited by: space fox on 16/01/2006 18:47:15 More than a week without my eve fix and i become depressive Your not alone
Li'ly	Posted - 2006.01.16 19:01:00 - [18] Didnt you think of eve when playing ludo sending someone home in ludo = podding in eve
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2006.01.16 19:08:00 - [19] I just left for a month and a half. Didn't even leave a skill training. Ahaha, free! Then I realised I could've had BS lvl5 right now. Damn... ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
Kitty O'Shay	Posted - 2006.01.16 19:09:00 - [20] Originally by: mirel yirrin It was so goddam boring. I couldn't belive how much I relied on eve! Yep, I know that feeling. I care for my elderly parents on a full time basis. Most of the time they get along around the house fine, but when they need me, there's no way I could work. So Eve fills the time. Otherwise I'd go completely mad. Or watch daytime television. -- Beware the Intaki Redhead of Doom! Meow!
High Sierra	Posted - 2006.01.16 19:13:00 - [21] tractor beams 4tw. real life sucks anyway so you're better off without it.
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.01.16 19:21:00 - [22] I've tried to take time off from EVE but always came back almost immediately, no matter how frustrated I was with the game. THe reason for this is simple: I have no life. In all seriousness, RL sucks and every time I try to focus on it I come away stressed out, ****ed off, depressed off my ass, and/or ready to kill someone. -Wrayeth
Winterblink	Posted - 2006.01.16 19:25:00 - [23] Perhaps you should seek professional counseling. And no, I'm not joking. If you can't step away from a game, willingly, then there's a definite problem. winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.01.16 19:43:00 - [24] Edited by: Wrayeth on 16/01/2006 19:44:53 Originally by: Winterblink Perhaps you should seek professional counseling. And no, I'm not joking. If you can't step away from a game, willingly, then there's a definite problem. LOL, been there and done that. The problem is, real life doesn't have much to offer for me but stress. Add to that the fact that I'm not the most sociable person, my range of interests is very narrow, and that going out to bars, clubs, and parties holds no appeal for me, and what else am I going to do aside from stay home and play video games/read a book? Hell, I can't even do tabletop roleplaying anymore because it's impossible to hold a gaming group together with varying work and college schedules, players with wives and children, and all of the happy, fun stuff you get once you step out into the real world. In all seriousness, the day I turned eighteen was the worst day of my life - it was like my life just ended and I've been coasting through limbo for the last seven years. MMOs and the like have helped me keep going, however, by giving me something to do that I enjoy. (This frustration also explains why I enjoy killing other players so much in EVE... ) Your mileage may vary. -Wrayeth
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.01.16 19:49:00 - [25] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 16/01/2006 19:52:01 Hmmmm... I have heard of MMOs being an escapism for ppl to avoid or find time to overcome RL problems. Before MMOs, we normally hear ppl resort to drug-use, etc. 1. How many ppl are actually playing MMOs to avoid or to find time to overcome their RL problems? Come on, be honest. We all have anonymity here. 2. Does it help? 3. Age group (1-10, 11-20, 21-30, etc.)? /me observing and dont think she will be surprised. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.01.16 20:02:00 - [26] LOL, alrighty. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 16/01/2006 19:52:01 Hmmmm... I have heard of MMOs being an escapism for ppl to avoid or find time to overcome RL problems. Before MMOs, we normally hear ppl resort to drug-use, etc. 1. How many ppl are actually playing MMOs to avoid or to find time to overcome their RL problems? Come on, be honest. We all have anonymity here. Yes and no. Some days are better than others, but in short I can't get enthusiastic about anything that might realistically come my way IRL. It's kind of one of those "my dreams died somewhere along the way" deals. Quote: 2. Does it help? Gives me something to do and a reason to keep existing. Without video games and books to look forward to, I'd probably just lie in bed all day and do nothing until I ended up homeless and on the streets, since there's sure as hell nothing in the way of real things to get excited about. College? Hah. Just going through the motions. When I'm finished, I'll have another job that I don't give a damn about, but one that will pay the bills without leaving me one paycheck away from being homeless. Quote: 3. Age group (1-10, 11-20, 21-30, etc.)? 25 Quote: /me observing and dont think she will be surprised. I don't doubt it. A lot of people out there are just drifting, with no real purpose or hope in life. -Wrayeth
ApophisXP	Posted - 2006.01.16 20:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire 1. How many ppl are actually playing MMOs to avoid or to find time to overcome their RL problems? I would say alot, i started erm playing at first just cause pc's and gaming is a big interest of mine. Then it did become an escape from the turbulance of relationships. in a 4 year relationship ive spent 1year here... was worth it at times, go pirating or something to let go some anger. Then can go back to talking to her without being an angry lil bastard Originally by: Jenny Spitfire 2. Does it help? Yes and No. Yes as its good for short term escape and can turn one of lifes most misreable moment into a standard dull one or maybe a happy one. In the long run though the answer is No. Ive always found that running is extending the time from when you're really gonna get hit. And basically get hurt more than you could've. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire 3. Age group (1-10, 11-20, 21-30, etc.)? 19
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.01.16 20:13:00 - [28] Originally by: mirel yirrin Eve fleet battles on paper. Dreamt of Piracy in Eve Am I a little bit too involved with this game? Perhaps? Just a little bit? Just a little bit? Just a little bit? Oh mirel . Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.01.16 20:23:00 - [29] Had a break from EVE over chrismas, because of holidays. I started one day later then planned, because I had to 'test' rmr, but then it went really well for two weeks without a computer and EVE. I didn't suffer at all. But when I was back, the first thing after dropping the luggage was to switch on the computer, start eve and say Hi to my corp mates. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2006.01.16 21:00:00 - [30] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire 1. How many ppl are actually playing MMOs to avoid or to find time to overcome their RL problems? Come on, be honest. We all have anonymity here. I use it as an excuse to avoid work, if that's what you mean. "Hey, I should really start on that assignment... But I need to work-up to it first. I know - I'll play half an hour of EVE (or any game really)!" ten hours later "rofl pwned biznitch!!11" Originally by: Jenny Spitfire 2. Does it help? Yes, the elves living under my desk do all my uni work for me. No, no it doesn't. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire 3. Age group (1-10, 11-20, 21-30, etc.)? 20. ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
wayz	Posted - 2006.01.16 21:45:00 - [31] Edited by: wayz on 16/01/2006 21:51:57 ok I dont actually think this thread is a joke, I've been doing a bit of research on the online game phenominon and it seems that some people have lost their lives to online games, heres an example. An American man got so addicted to ever quest that he locked his child in a wardrobe because the child was annoying him while he was playing the game. Suffices to say that the child died and the man was sent to jail. There have been quite a few cases when an online game addiction has become so bad that the player has completely lost control of his/her lives. The addiction resulting in being fired from a job, losing a fimily and even becoming homeless. Seriously folks this is not something to be taken lightly, this DOES HAPPEN. The thing is to know and admit when your having a problem as it can be serously detrimental to you life if you allow a game to take over it. Online games are escapism at its very worst, if people are not happy with the way their lives are going its easy to escape into an alternate reality such as an online game but like any other form of escapism it will make the problems worse rather than better. Eve is a game intended to be played in a persons spare time when there really is nothing else to do. The game was even designed so that your skill still train when your offline. When people log into an online game and they are seen as being very important within the game as opposed to their normal lives its to easy to make the game your priority instead of your life. Thats what has happened to many people, dont let it happen to you. Eve is just a game, as is everquest and ultima online. Games are not intendd as a replacement for live just as recreation. Seriously if anyone is having this kind of problem its hard to talk to people about it. If you want to talk to someone about this then feel free to talk to me. I'll listen to you and try to help you along. I've actually lost a relationship because of playing online games an seeing them as being more than a game, (tbh she was pretty horrible anyway and I'm glad I did) but I've had freinds who have become so enthralled in online games that they really did end up having a problem. If you want to talk to someone feel free to conv me ingame. I have the feeling that I'm going to get one hell of a lot of convs so isk donations are appreciated but not required lol www.faceparty.com/twisted_wayz
Dimitri Chandler	Posted - 2006.01.16 21:48:00 - [32] I did the same kind of thing over a 2 week period: 1: Got a bit bored of Eve and had lots of work to do anyway 2: Brother gets me Guild Wars for Xmas 3: Played Guild Wars, addicted for a week 4: Finished it 5: Got bored 6: Procrastinated about Uni Work 7: Logged in to Eve to see whats what 8: Addicted again --------------------------------------------------
Velsharoon	Posted - 2006.01.16 21:51:00 - [33] Only reason to stop playing is if it affects RL in a bad way. So you play an online game so what, most others come home and watch tv till they sleep, least your socialising sort of :) Only time I have really left EVE was over a girl but I came back ^^ Just make sure you have a good RL to
Sunburn	Posted - 2006.01.16 21:56:00 - [34] Yes I too play eve far too much, I think it is the music and the clouds in the background that condition us(only joking). I think it's because there is many things you can do with this game and it is time consuming, but hey look on the bright side, at least you family are getting some peace.
Kraven Kor	Posted - 2006.01.16 21:59:00 - [35] Quote: 1. How many ppl are actually playing MMOs to avoid or to find time to overcome their RL problems? Come on, be honest. We all have anonymity here. YARRRR!! Specifically playing an MMO to avoid / overcome real life problems? No. Not specifically. For the most part I play EVE because it fills my video game void without requiring that I play 20 hours a day. The fact that I play EVE 20 hours a day anywho does not invalidate my point ;) Now, I do have a lot of the traits common to MMO / Game addicts -- low self esteem, lack of self confidence, depression, been an outcast most of my life, etc. Or, I guess I "had them" since I've been slowly getting better the last few years. I just know that regardless of the diversion, I am an escapist -- I play games, read books, have done drugs, all sorts of stuff in the name of "avoiding reality." Quote: 2. Does it help? No. Escapism never does, not that it keeps me from trying. My problems aren't as big as they once were so I can't even say if EVE is as good a diversion as past vices. I'd lean towards no -- I haven't skipped any social events just to play EVE, where I used to blow off damn near anything for a good EQ raid. Quote: 3. Age group (1-10, 11-20, 21-30, etc.)? 29.
Alex Logan	Posted - 2006.01.16 22:00:00 - [36] Here's another eve addiction case right here! I'm on holiday...supposedly... South America isn't interesting a distraction enough for me I guess which is why i find myself typing this stood on the top floor of my girlfriends balcony with my laptop 'stealing/borrowing' wireless internet! Works great for a skill change aswell
nahtoh	Posted - 2006.01.16 23:09:00 - [37] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 16/01/2006 19:52:01 Hmmmm... I have heard of MMOs being an escapism for ppl to avoid or find time to overcome RL problems. Before MMOs, we normally hear ppl resort to drug-use, etc. I needa viruial interface to be able to deal with people well...basicly beause i am to blunt and bad tempered...I am not asocial person I don't see this as a problem... Quote: 1. How many ppl are actually playing MMOs to avoid or to find time to overcome their RL problems? Come on, be honest. We all have anonymity here. It stops me from losing it when dealing with people...not just eve but any game will do really, I am crap at realtionships so I gave them up for lent about 6 years ago and have not looked back. Quote: 2. Does it help? Yep Quote: 3. Age group (1-10, 11-20, 21-30, etc.)? 35, I don't quite qualify to be a grumpy old man give me a couple of years Quote: /me observing and dont think she will be surprised. Possably not ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
nahtoh	Posted - 2006.01.16 23:09:00 - [38] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 16/01/2006 19:52:01 Hmmmm... I have heard of MMOs being an escapism for ppl to avoid or find time to overcome RL problems. Before MMOs, we normally hear ppl resort to drug-use, etc. I needa viruial interface to be able to deal with people well...basicly beause i am to blunt and bad tempered...I am not asocial person I don't see this as a problem... Quote: 1. How many ppl are actually playing MMOs to avoid or to find time to overcome their RL problems? Come on, be honest. We all have anonymity here. It stops me from losing it when dealing with people...not just eve but any game will do really, I am crap at realtionships so I gave them up for lent about 6 years ago and have not looked back. Quote: 2. Does it help? Yep Quote: 3. Age group (1-10, 11-20, 21-30, etc.)? 35, I don't quite qualify to be a grumpy old man give me a couple of years Quote: /me observing and dont think she will be surprised. EVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
Tekka	Posted - 2006.01.16 23:19:00 - [39] Take a break from EVE. Its nice. Seriously. »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.01.16 23:22:00 - [40] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay Originally by: mirel yirrin It was so goddam boring. I couldn't belive how much I relied on eve! Yep, I know that feeling. I care for my elderly parents on a full time basis. Most of the time they get along around the house fine, but when they need me, there's no way I could work. So Eve fills the time. Otherwise I'd go completely mad. Or watch daytime television. /tips hat to you... may there be more like you! I help with my gram as well and yes EVE is something that helps pass the time. Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Lygos	Posted - 2006.01.17 00:13:00 - [41] Playing EVE makes the streams of thoughts stop. The same thing happens when I watch a movie, read a book, begin speaking or writing. All the threads consolidate into one. If I couldn't type out my thoughts on forums of one sort or another, I'd have to listen to them all day and all night long. I would write a book or something, if only I could focus. If I ever end up on the streets or institutionalized, I'll probably quickly become a gibbering idiote mumbling about coherence theory and discussing the fundaments of language with squirrels. Narrative then is the best sedative, and is cheaper than prescription drugs, though it does take up alot of time otherwise bent on making the Absurd seem salient. Eunoia: The persistent suspicion that the universe is secretly conspiring to quietly improve one's life.
Ysolde Xen	Posted - 2006.01.17 00:53:00 - [42] I mostly gave up Eve for a couple of months. I logged on only to change skills and everything. Filled my time with other things. Didn't find it that hard because my attention had shifted. Then it went and shifted right back and now I'm on all the time again in between everything else I do. Including have something resembling a social life. (Not including a great deal of sleep though... but then sleep dep gives me some of my silliest ship ideas that I have fun faffing around with.) I have the attention span of a goldfish and the fact that I'm not permanently bored with EVE Online yet says a great deal about the scope of the game ----- Just because you couldn't get a ship to do what you wanted doesn't mean it's a crap ship - it means you're a crap pilot of that ship.
Adam Weishaupt	Posted - 2006.01.17 01:05:00 - [43] Yes, if you can't step away from a game for five days, you're too involved. Period. Give it up - do something else, and not another game. Go out, exercise, read a fiction series, learn kung-fu, work more, take a class - anything that involves actual social contact. I really like EVE, because it turns my procrastination time into something mentally stimulating and fun. But it isn't my life. If I play for more than two hours a day, a gnawing guilt begins to eat at me...it says...go outside. In fact, forums are another waste of time. Gah, I'm a hypocrite....
Semblence	Posted - 2006.01.17 01:25:00 - [44] Actually I'm sure I read somewhere very learned that MMORPGs can be therapeutic to mildly anti-social types. The anonymity prevents the usual judgements about people based on appearance, sexual preference or other prejudices. MMOs are still a form of communication in a social group, albeit a disparate group. Let's face it we've got one big thing in common - we all love playing eve!
keepiru	Posted - 2006.01.17 01:35:00 - [45] Originally by: Wrayeth LOL, alrighty. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 16/01/2006 19:52:01 Hmmmm... I have heard of MMOs being an escapism for ppl to avoid or find time to overcome RL problems. Before MMOs, we normally hear ppl resort to drug-use, etc. 1. How many ppl are actually playing MMOs to avoid or to find time to overcome their RL problems? Come on, be honest. We all have anonymity here. Yes and no. Some days are better than others, but in short I can't get enthusiastic about anything that might realistically come my way IRL. It's kind of one of those "my dreams died somewhere along the way" deals. Quote: 2. Does it help? Gives me something to do and a reason to keep existing. Without video games and books to look forward to, I'd probably just lie in bed all day and do nothing until I ended up homeless and on the streets, since there's sure as hell nothing in the way of real things to get excited about. College? Hah. Just going through the motions. When I'm finished, I'll have another job that I don't give a damn about, but one that will pay the bills without leaving me one paycheck away from being homeless. Quote: 3. Age group (1-10, 11-20, 21-30, etc.)? 25 Quote: /me observing and dont think she will be surprised. I don't doubt it. A lot of people out there are just drifting, with no real purpose or hope in life. Pretty much what he said, except in 23. And there's a slight possiblity my job might be interesting. Unlikely though. For me, eve is a substitute for drugs & booze. I still spend all the time im not studying in non-communicative state, but at least now im not risking my health while im esaping. This, I think, is a definite improvement. Considering where I was before i started EVE, its quite possible this game saved my life. ------------- Please fix the EW stacking bug, it's a disgrace!

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