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John Ratcliffe
sausy sausages
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Posted - 2013.09.24 14:46:00 -
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Am trying to make a PVE rail fit BC for a friend that has just got T2 medium rails and blasters. I have used a Brutix which seems decent, but is there a better hull to consider? Ferox was disappointing. He can fly all racial BCs (all V). We would consider Navy or Faction if it gave a suitable performance.
TIA.
Plus +ša change, plus c'est la m+Žme chose |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
55
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Posted - 2013.09.24 15:25:00 -
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Well the Brutix and the Ferox are the two main choices. The Brutix Navy Issue isn't as tanky as the other two but it has a sexy tracking bonus and an extra slot. If you are able to look outside of the BC class I have heard good things about the rail Proteus since the recent buff to rails. |
Darling Hassasin
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.25 06:02:00 -
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Tbh for low level missions the Ferox is probably better than the Brutix, all other things being equal. A bit less dps for better application at range works well with new high dps /low tracking rails. Overall they are pretty similar.
Proteus, Deimos, Eagle (this one no drones though could end up waiting for dt tackled by a spider drone...) and better than all others together, Astarte, are all there should you wish to consider them. Oh and Vigilant, tank is weak but frig killing is ezzzy and the dps rocks... |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
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Posted - 2013.09.25 06:25:00 -
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For what kind of Pve? I bet the Navy Brutix would rock.
Eve is Real |
Dato Koppla
Veni Vidi Evassi
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Posted - 2013.09.25 07:29:00 -
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If it's L3 missions I'd put my money on the Navy Brutix, however a regular Brutix or Ferox is fine too. That's pretty much as good as it gets without stepping up to T3s/CSs. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2013.09.25 07:46:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:Am trying to make a PVE rail fit BC for a friend that has just got T2 medium rails and blasters. I have used a Brutix which seems decent, but is there a better hull to consider? Ferox was disappointing. He can fly all racial BCs (all V). We would consider Navy or Faction if it gave a suitable performance.
TIA.
I fitted and tried both a vigilant and a deimos for level 4s, both work fine so long as you either stay unwebbed or deal with webs immediately.
the fall off bonus means they are less fussy about going over optimal when kiting on the AB than a brutix.
I preferred the vigilant because it has more base dps, so the usual fit has 1 less magstab and 1 more resist, so its easier for it to tank angels if required, and it has the web bonus that is a good safety feature given med rails don't track so good and you are likely to bring medium drones for dps reasons, not lights. |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
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Posted - 2013.09.25 11:15:00 -
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For BCs in L3, use this:
[Brutix Navy Issue, Brutix Navy Issue L3]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
10MN Afterburner II
250mm Railgun II, Plutonium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Plutonium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Plutonium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Plutonium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Plutonium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Plutonium Charge M
Small Tractor Beam II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator II
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator II
The fourth magstab is exchangeable for more tank if needed, a DDA if he has good drone skills or a TE. You can also change a cap mod for a web.
The king for the role right now is Astarte, followed by a Proteus, a Vigilant or a Deimos. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.09.25 11:27:00 -
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Alternatively, Ishtar with 800 DPS out to 93km optimal + 12km falloff. Or you can get 100km optimal with 2xScope II rigs. Ship targeting range is 100km. CPU makes for tight fitting. You can stick a meta cap recharger in the remaining mid if desired.
This thing simply tears through level 3s.
[Ishtar, MAR II]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
[empty med slot]
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Auto Targeting System I
Auto Targeting System I
Civilian Gatling Railgun, Civilian Railgun Charge
Medium Drone Scope Chip I
Medium Drone Scope Chip I
Garde II x5
Ogre II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
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Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
90
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Posted - 2013.09.25 11:30:00 -
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Well yes, but that not a BC, nor a rail ship. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2013.09.25 12:59:00 -
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it's easy to do as a rail ship for pve though
[Ishtar, PvE Rails]
4x 200mm Railgun II
2x Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
10MN Afterburner II
2x Cap Recharger II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
2x Drone Damage Amplifier II
2x Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
5x Garde II
5x Hammerhead II
5x Hobgoblin II
As for the BC, for pve they are pretty standard for active tanks
fill the highslots with 1 bonused weapon type
put a 10mn AB in a midslot
add 3-4 tanking tanking modules where appropriate
the remaining Low & Mid slots you just fill with utility & dps application mods
use tank, utility or dps rigs (which ever you feel needs the most attention)
which for a brutix or Ferox would mean TC/TE+MFS & cap rechargers/booster
utility for pve is mostly just Cap Management for which upto 6 mins is plenty) |
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.25 13:55:00 -
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Answer to OP would be brutix, 3 magstabs, loads of tracking computers, burst aerator II. Javelin ammo looks quite tempting. |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
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Posted - 2013.09.25 14:07:00 -
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The Spod wrote:Answer to OP would be brutix, 3 magstabs, loads of tracking computers, burst aerator II. Javelin ammo looks quite tempting.
Its a little better to fit a collision accelerator II though, it doesn't need more juice to run, you conserve ammo and are able to drop less volleys in some targets (depending on the ship of course, the above holds true for Ferox)...DPS is also almost identical.  |
Steve Spooner
Mordu's Military Industrial Command
Circle-Of-Two
129
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Posted - 2013.09.25 16:08:00 -
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Astarte/Phobos. Hue hue hue because people always assume blaster Astarte. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.09.25 23:27:00 -
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Bertrand Butler wrote:Well yes, but that not a BC, nor a rail ship.
True but....
* how many rail boats can put out 800 DPS to 100km and have 100km targeting range?
* if the OP has BC5 they may have Cruiser V as well,
* if the OP is training for T2 Large Rails then they may want to switch to sentry drones and cruiser V instead. A Naga with 425s, CN Antimatter, 3xTCs, and 3xFaction MagStabs does 786 DPS out to 76km+58km with 93km of targeting range. =/
Off topic or just something that makes you go "hhmmmm, why am I training rails again?" 
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
1429
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Posted - 2013.09.26 01:01:00 -
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Navy brutix has some of the most beastly damage projection you can find on a ship.
I'd go with that.
BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
92
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Posted - 2013.09.26 01:31:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Off topic or just something that makes you go "hhmmmm, why am I training rails again?"
Hehe, don't get me wrong, I love drone boats, especially the new Ishtar. Its the OP that wanted a rail BC fit for his friend, I think the new navy Brutix fills the role beautifully..C: |
Panzerjak Panzer
Paragon Tactical
SiNTaX err0r
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 04:00:00 -
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I use 250mm Rail-guns on my Proteus for Level 4 and Wormhole, it serves me well and i get about 500 dps on the guns,
If you are willing to use Tech 3s, but navy brutix will do the job nicely |
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Luna Wolf Industries
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:35:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:For what kind of Pve? I bet the Navy Brutix would rock.
I love my Navy Brutix ... granted, I should probably be making better use of a ship capable of doing more than 290DPS [including Hob II's] but... I mean, it has space camo  Adding Cap Recharger II's really helped me balance out my lack of SP and the armor tank is pretty decent. Using Meta 4 rails with faction antimatter and tungsten gives me a couple of options for projecting force as needed.
My noob is showing, I know... it can only get better :D |
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