The sad thing is that for all our vaunted immortality, there's still no substitute for leaving behind a legacy.

Is that what Master told you to think?

History includes atrocity. Atrocities await those stupid enough to make public their family for the hate that awaits our kind to exploit.

Someone is going to be remembered for what they do to your children, just remember that.

History, more like. Last I checked, Tovil-Toba is remembered for his actions, not for his offspring.

History includes atrocity. Atrocities await those stupid enough to make public their family for the hate that awaits our kind to exploit.

Someone is going to be remembered for what they do to your children, just remember that.

That person would be remembered for what I did to them and THEIR family, believe me.

Someone is going to be remembered for what they do to your children, just remember that.

Threatening kids now? Man Isis, why so edgy and dark? It's not a very impressive thing...
....seriously you dumb ****, get over yourself.

As for the OP! That's a thing only you can answer. None of us know your life or mind so itd be hard to say if you'd be a good dad or not. Like other's said, set your criteria, see if you meet it. Personally, i think a good father i always patient, always there for his kid, and is always a steady rock of an example to take a lead from.

In other words, not me. See? Easy! Now you try.

I laugh because my children are very well cared for. I love them beyond all reason and only a very select few know where I have them living. Automatically assuming we all endanger our children is downright disrespectful, Isis. Not all parents are as careless as yours were.

I think some of you may be overestimating how important most capsuleers are.

We're only near immortal demi-gods with enough money to allow a baseliner to live in luxery for eternity. That alone gives us a lot of enemies and it's something common to every capsuleer.

Though I would have to disagree with her regarding whether or not to have children. You won't be able to have a "normal" family by any means. It would be something much closer to that of the families of world leaders. Armed guards everywhere, roads being shut down just for your kid to visit friends, agents taste testing your child's birthday cake before they can have a bite, assembling and reassembling your families toys and gadgets to check for explosives, all sorts of precautions. If you have a girl, you can bet the boyfriend will be getting interrogated.

Bullshit.

Complete and utter bullshit.

Even admiral's kids don't go to school with guards and no one tastes their cakes and other stuff. They live and study together with other children to become proper part of the society.

And capsuleers? Ask general baseliners to name at least couple?... And just random capsuleer? To compare a capsuleer with well known and merited admiral... for Maker's sake! In the end, we are just reusable warship controlling modules, and you, Mr. Bugbug, is too fond of yourself and your new status as pseudo-immortal, pseudo-powerful canned meat.

And capsuleers? Ask general baseliners to name at least couple?... And just random capsuleer? To compare a capsuleer with well known and merited admiral... for Maker's sake! In the end, we are just reusable warship controlling modules, and you, Mr. Bugbug, is too fond of yourself and your new status as pseudo-immortal, pseudo-powerful canned meat.

[...] the action figure that just came out (Apparently it has a karate chop action and you can style the beard and hair). [...]

Fans? Tuulinen-haan, your stubble will never cease to amaze me.

--wait. Wait.

Fans? Tuulinen-haan, your stubble will never cease to amaze me.

I wonder. I may have to ask the Torped-Os marketing staff what sort of inquiries they receive.

I suspect I have insulated myself from much of the strangeness of this world.

Good grief, Diana, I have about an hour a week taken up in public appearances, at the least. Not to mention the t-shirts, the posters, the action figure that just came out (Apparently it has a karate chop action and you can style the beard and hair). One company does digital 'trading cards' of STPRO pilots and contacted me regarding my "Rookie of the Year" card for Caldari Militia in YC114.

At a convention last year I saw about thirty baseliners who were cosplaying as me. My assistant processes a good three to four thousand information requests and fanmails every week. Quotations in those fanmails and informaiton requests suggest that many people are monitoring my activity in the Channel "The Summit" as well as on the IGS board, here.

As for capsuleers having children, as a Citizen of the State, I shouldn't have to tell you that not only is it a privilege it is our duty to the State.

Ohmigosh. Now I understand why that poster in the creche is familiar! You and Desiderya-haani are very popular with a small group of seven year olds here, it seems. Maybe you will meet them next time you are here! It would certainly make their day.

Bullshit.

Complete and utter bullshit.

Even admiral's kids don't go to school with guards and no one tastes their cakes and other stuff. They live and study together with other children to become proper part of the society.

And capsuleers? Ask general baseliners to name at least couple?... And just random capsuleer? To compare a capsuleer with well known and merited admiral... for Maker's sake! In the end, we are just reusable warship controlling modules, and you, Mr. Bugbug, is too fond of yourself and your new status as pseudo-immortal, pseudo-powerful canned meat.

Truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

Oh, Maker. Please tell me you have at least some executive control. I have no doubt as to your being a dutiful and loyal citizen, but I don't know how closely you read contracts...

Good grief, Diana, I have about an hour a week taken up in public appearances, at the least. Not to mention the t-shirts, the posters, the action figure that just came out (Apparently it has a karate chop action and you can style the beard and hair). One company does digital 'trading cards' of STPRO pilots and contacted me regarding my "Rookie of the Year" card for Caldari Militia in YC114.

At a convention last year I saw about thirty baseliners who were cosplaying as me. My assistant processes a good three to four thousand information requests and fanmails every week. Quotations in those fanmails and informaiton requests suggest that many people are monitoring my activity in the Channel "The Summit" as well as on the IGS board, here.

As for capsuleers having children, as a Citizen of the State, I shouldn't have to tell you that not only is it a privilege it is our duty to the State.

Capsuleers are already hated for being ludicrously rich immortals. What they do with that makes them even more hated. I've slaughtered thousands of pirates for the Federation navy, regularly engage other capsuleers, and run a political news show.

I've received so many death threats from baseliners that I've actually commissioned CreoDron to write a program that automatically detects and sends them to my spam mail folder. In addition, there have been several attempts on my life when I was outside the pod. No massive elaborate plots or anything, just walking down the street or station corridor and someone recognizes me for whatever reason and tries to use the opportunity to shank me, shoot me, or blow me to bits.

I have even more fans than haters of course. Viewers of Fred Fred Frederation send me fanmail all the time and depending on the planet or station, will try to swarm me. During one of those swarms, a lock of my hair was ripped out and sold on Galnet for about three thhousand ISK, which is a lot of money for a baseliner. The fact that I'm well liked is another reason to have me killed. It's certainly impossible for a capsuleer to lay low if they lead an active lifestyle and public lifestyle like I do.

I'm surprised you would be so naive Ms. Kim. You are a very vocal about your hatred of the Federation and someone recently made an attempt on your life too. You have many enemies across the cluster, both capsuleer and baseliner. That wasn't meant to be an insult mind you, it's just the facts. A combat capsuleer will naturally have many enemies, and those that post controversial opinions on the IGS will have even more. You have both of those things. I'd imagine your strong opinions net you a lot of friends with similar ideology. If an enemy of my enemy is my friend, then naturally a friend of my enemy is my enemy.

Oh my, I have to admit I chuckled when I am attributed supernatural powers as a "witch" that can control other people's minds now by Diana Kim.

Hmm.

Maybe so much of Kim's angst towards me stems from her fears of my mind control powers?

Isis, if that is the case, I dare you come come attack my children. Let's see how far you get, you coward.

Not coward and don't invoke that title in me, not when there is reason to fear what I bring up. It's not me you should truly fear, it's those that lurk these channels without posting, those who slip through the shadows of space without being seen; powerful characters richly in boredrum that would love nothing more than to weed out incompetence.

In their eyes, you are incompetent for having children as a capsuleer. If you are anything less than the demigod amongst the stars within their vision, you are incompetent.

Rather than insult me, you should credit where it is due.

Space is dark, laced with natural and unnatural predators, especially your fellow kin.

I am no more a 'biological fitting' for my ship than is the man who loads the missile launchers or parses the sensor data into information.

I am sure that people crossed similar psychological thresholds when we could first guarantee that there would be enough food for everyone to survive the next winter. When we developed antibiotics and surgery. When we developed medical nanites. Now our life expectancy is up around a century for a human being, with every expectancy that they will be 100 useful and viable years.

Has the knowledge that we won't starve turned us into monsters?

I have always worked in high-risk professions, but the risks to my body as a capsuleer dwarf the chances I used to take as a cop. Bodyarmour didn't make me take risks on getting shot that weren't part of my profession. Cloning doesn't make me take risks with my life that aren't a part of my profession.

Now SOME of us are risktakers. Perhaps that predilection for risk is something that comes more frequently to those of us with the genetic signature for the pod?

It's possible - and lets be realistic, anyone willing to go into space is willing to take a very large risk. I'd wager our crew could be considered more brave - or foolish - than ourselves. But these are different weights and measures.

Did the ability to survive into the next winter turn us into monsters? It's possible -- depending on what one defines a monster as. All in all the word ends up rather subjective really when it's not being applied to a mythical or imagined being that a single group assigns ass a definition to a single (or multiple) beings or creatures.

At the end of the day, this will boil down into an argument based on each person's upbringing as to whether it is right or wrong, how their individual nations treat capsuleers, etcetera - but the truth of it is unless you plan to retire from space or live as a distant parent or place the child in a creche until such children reach adulthood, it will be dangerous. Of course, it is a danger any one can be willing to take based on circumstances. "Risktaking" is actually a very broad field. If we lived with eternal fear of the unknown every day we'd fear to open our eyes for what nightmares could be in front of us.

Regardless of what any of us think as individuals, in the OP's case, it is a decision they need to make based on the truths around them. I doubt any pirate pilot will acknowledge and cease to fire on a vessel sporting a 'baby on board' glyph like you see on some ground transports across the cluster.

I may have come off as a bit more grim than I usually am, but I am a firm believer that a child's feet should be either on the ground or on a station deck.

I don't think anyone who works closely with me, as one of my crew or one of my trainees, sees me as a heartless monster.

Such is a great thought to have.. until those most close stab one in the back with no remorse, but motive instead.

-Eran

And, yes, since you can make proper Civire children, it is your duty to make them... just, well, better register them as orphans, or something like that, or they will be treated poorly. And... uh... enjoy your family.

Proper Civire children is it? I guess I will take what I can get with you Kim. I'm just surprised you're not crucifying me for dating a woman who is not Caldari.

I guarantee this is going to happen regardless of security concerns.