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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
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Posted - 2011.10.31 10:13:00 -
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I've noticed downtime is down to like 15 minutes even though the message says 30minutes.
Has there or is there any work being done to eliminate downtime? The sheer fact that downtime interrupts gameplay is annoying. I understand what's going on in the background and why there's downtime from a technical point of view but how about a cheesy sort of thing like 'temporary downtime where time freezes in your system but whatever you were doing at the time of the temporal freeze is exactly how things are after the freeze.' |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.31 10:19:00 -
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Jason Edwards wrote:I've noticed downtime is down to like 15 minutes even though the message says 30minutes.
Has there or is there any work being done to eliminate downtime? The sheer fact that downtime interrupts gameplay is annoying. I understand what's going on in the background and why there's downtime from a technical point of view but how about a cheesy sort of thing like 'temporary downtime where time freezes in your system but whatever you were doing at the time of the temporal freeze is exactly how things are after the freeze.'
There was some talk when it was reduced from 1h to 30m stating that removing it totally was on the overall radar.
But that it wasn't a primary target.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.31 10:19:00 -
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There's some blog a while back where they spoke about this and the goal is to become a 24/7 experience.
I'm just worried when to have time to shower then...
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Ai Shun
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.31 10:19:00 -
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CCP Hunter spoke about it in a dev blog about a year ago. Read it here. You can also read about the hardware here. The eventual goal is zero downtime; but there is work to happen to get there. |
Twisted Alice
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.31 10:23:00 -
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Jason Edwards wrote:I've noticed downtime is down to like 15 minutes even though the message says 30minutes.
Has there or is there any work being done to eliminate downtime? The sheer fact that downtime interrupts gameplay is annoying. I understand what's going on in the background and why there's downtime from a technical point of view but how about a cheesy sort of thing like 'temporary downtime where time freezes in your system but whatever you were doing at the time of the temporal freeze is exactly how things are after the freeze.'
Well 30 minutes is wise,
if they said 15 minutes and it was 18 minutes then they would have forum posts complaining it's not back up yet. |
Naran Eto
Kut-n-Run
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Posted - 2011.10.31 10:24:00 -
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If they're discussing zero downtime then they're talking rubbish, it doesn't matter how good a server is, or how well it is maintained, a simple fact of computing is that it will eventually at sometime need to be rebooted, they may be able to cut it right down to bare minimum but they will always have to reboot at some stage if only to apply patches, not only to the game but to the oprating system on the server and other applications they use. |
Vachir Khan
TriSeq Defence Group
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Posted - 2011.10.31 10:29:00 -
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Naran Eto wrote:If they're discussing zero downtime then they're talking rubbish, it doesn't matter how good a server is, or how well it is maintained, a simple fact of computing is that it will eventually at sometime need to be rebooted, they may be able to cut it right down to bare minimum but they will always have to reboot at some stage if only to apply patches, not only to the game but to the oprating system on the server and other applications they use.
While this is true they might introduce a system where the individual systems reboot on their own while another system takes over that process/node for a bit, redundancy and all that.
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Ai Shun
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.31 10:31:00 -
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Naran Eto wrote:If they're discussing zero downtime then they're talking rubbish, it doesn't matter how good a server is, or how well it is maintained, a simple fact of computing is that it will eventually at sometime need to be rebooted, they may be able to cut it right down to bare minimum but they will always have to reboot at some stage if only to apply patches, not only to the game but to the oprating system on the server and other applications they use.
Failover clustering. High availability systems. Etc. You probably can't eliminate it 100%; but you can certainly create the illusion thereof through proper planning and structure. |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
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Posted - 2011.10.31 11:04:00 -
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They should never ever eliminate downtime completely !
Are you guys insane ?????
People would DIE because of dehydration ! starvation ! and insomnia !
On the plus side though, people would use much less water
because there's no time to shower anymore.
hm.... tough call, really ... |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
89
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Posted - 2011.10.31 11:09:00 -
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Naran Eto wrote:If they're discussing zero downtime then they're talking rubbish, it doesn't matter how good a server is, or how well it is maintained, a simple fact of computing is that it will eventually at sometime need to be rebooted, they may be able to cut it right down to bare minimum but they will always have to reboot at some stage if only to apply patches, not only to the game but to the oprating system on the server and other applications they use.
If they finally implement system transfer from one node to the other,
it's pretty much possible to eliminate downtime,
because then, nodes could be rebooted individually.
This would also help lowering energy costs,
because there's no need to have nodes with a few pilots only running.
Don't know if they have to pay energy costs or just a fixed fee, though.
Also, it would help fighting lag ... no more specially reinforced nodes,
but instead, when server load increases,
people can get transfered to a stronger node automagically.
But it's a long way to go until then. |
bartos200
DARK ADAMA
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.31 11:15:00 -
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DT is mainly to reset all the astroid belts and activate new outposts in 0.0
servers are made to keep running some servers run for years without rebooting and as CCP has a lot of expantions that they take the server offline for that is not the problem
but atm they have no way of making an outpost active without DT as it takes some heavy database action to open up an outpost |
J'Poll
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2011.10.31 11:24:00 -
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Chribba wrote:There's some blog a while back where they spoke about this and the goal is to become a 24/7 experience.
I'm just worried when to have time to shower then...
All hail the Veldspar king
But why take a shower. You are bathing in pod goo 23/7 atm. And with the door to the station being closed till further notice nobody will ever smell you.
J'Poll
Director / Recruiter - Borealis Mining Concern
Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2011.10.31 11:27:00 -
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bartos200 wrote:DT is mainly to reset all the astroid belts and activate new outposts in 0.0
Moving asteroid belts to grav sites has been on the cards for quite some time. It used to be "move them to some kind of deadspace" because probing used to be hard. Now probing is easy, and rookies are given free probing gear (and an astrometrics frigate) as part of their basic training course. There is nothing stopping belts being moved to grav sites now.
Quote:but atm they have no way of making an outpost active without DT as it takes some heavy database action to open up an outpost
There may be a way to incorporate the activation of an outpost into the normal running of the simulator, but I expect it is currently deeply tied into the code that is responsible for handling all stations, with the assumption at the time that the code was written that there would be no changes to docking locations.
Whomever the teams are at CCP, I wish them Odin's speed with the refactoring that will be required to remove DT :)
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Lord Wamphyri
Starside Lost
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Posted - 2011.10.31 11:46:00 -
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Chribba wrote:There's some blog a while back where they spoke about this and the goal is to become a 24/7 experience.
I'm just worried when to have time to shower then...
Never mind having a shower.. when am I supposed to sleep?  |
Ender Black
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2011.10.31 13:36:00 -
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Chribba wrote:There's some blog a while back where they spoke about this and the goal is to become a 24/7 experience.
I'm just worried when to have time to shower then...
Solstice Project wrote:They should never ever eliminate downtime completely !
Are you guys insane ?????
People would DIE because of dehydration ! starvation ! and insomnia !
On the plus side though, people would use much less water
because there's no time to shower anymore.
hm.... tough call, really ...
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.31 14:00:00 -
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Eventual Goal is to remove it but that would mean changing some mechancis such as roid spawns despawns of some sites or resets. |
Satav
Latinum Exports
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Posted - 2011.10.31 15:32:00 -
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WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE.
Have you played any MMO"s dude? there is always going to be downtimes. And id rather have 15-30min. of downtime. than have 10x the amount of bugs in the game than we do now........ so ..... shush.
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Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance
Omega Vector
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Posted - 2011.10.31 16:44:00 -
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Small daily downtime at a set time > WoW's infamous unexpected, unannounced, unpredictable outages. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.10.31 16:47:00 -
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I like down time; it gives me a quiet time after it with less people around.
CSM do you think?
No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |
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