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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.08.24 21:28:00 -
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SPC decided that an afk miner in the Cloud Ring was a threat to them. The PK'd a friend of mine for now reason. That region isnt even in their alliance charter. How dare you claim to be good guys? Oberion Corporation was behind this terrorist act. May the Karma gods bring all the vengence from the heavens down upon thee.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.08.24 22:15:00 -
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Well, no response from their minester of propaganda yet.
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Heironymo Sondar
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Posted - 2003.08.24 22:20:00 -
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Not to be offensive, but perhaps they were teaching your friend a well deserved lesson; Dont afk mine in dangerous space.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.08.24 23:06:00 -
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Its just funny how they pretend to be good guys. Then stab ppl in the back. How typical indeed.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.08.24 23:56:00 -
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Pardon my slow response, Reclaimer. As a representative of both Oberon and the SPC, I would VERY MUCH like to get to the bottom of this accusation. An acusation that I take very seriously. But I need more details. Please give me the name of the person who lost their ship and the person who allegedly destroyed that ship, so that if this is true, punishment and reparations can be made.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.08.25 00:28:00 -
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I sent him an Eve mail. He will be in touch soon. Thanks for your assistance.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.08.25 06:23:00 -
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Good work Oberon. An investigation is no minor matter (I've done a few) but I know you guys will do whats right. Good to see this level of accountability.
Calladen
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.08.25 18:13:00 -
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Yes, I agree he has been very professional in this matter. I am not sure about the outcome, but its not really in my hands.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.08.25 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Halseth Durn on 25/08/2003 19:20:01
My investigation so far has been slowed by the lack of any real time communication with the participants in this incedent. Here is what I have determined so far:
Affected parties:
Tenchu of Fatal Shadows
Kronarty of Oberon Inc.
Perforator of Oberon Inc.
Facts:
1) Tenchu of Fatal Shadows was pod killed some where in Cloud Ring.
2) A state of War does not exist between Fatal Shadows and Oberon Inc.
Un-confirmed rumor:
Pilots from Fatal Shadows were firing upon Oberon ships within the same system that the incedent in question took place.
Details still required:
1) What system this incedent occured in.
2) Circumstances leading to the destruction of Tenchus ship as recalled by Kronarty (ranking officer) and Tenchu.
3) What kind of ship was destroyed and quality of clone activated.
Oberon-inc has a strict code of conduct that is strictly followed by all employees. "Unless in a state of war, pod killing if forbidden unless the player or his corp has pod killed an Oberon member unless the player has a negative 5 (or lower) status or bounty exceeding 50,000 ISK".
"Pod killing with special circumstances may be allowed with the approval of the ranking officer on duty".
If these guidlines have been violated by any Oberon personnel then Tenchu is entittled to the refund of his ship and clone. Punishment will be dealt to those involved. However, Tenchu needs to post all details required here along with his side of the story.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
tenchu
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Posted - 2003.08.28 05:25:00 -
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sorry for replying the request so late as i am quite busy these days in my RL.
First i am just a decent miner without any hostility toward Oberon Corp. secondly, i never kill any people in the World of Eve but npc pirate. thirdly, FS corp does not delcare war to Oberon corp so far.
I do not know the detail since i was away at the time when i got pod killed and the location is in XZH-4X.
I was flying bestower with 200 bistot and my clone status is A.
Hope my info could solve the mystery.
Tenchu
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.08.29 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Halseth Durn on 29/08/2003 01:21:44
Thank you for responding Tenchu. My investigation is now complete. Here is what I have discovered:
On the day in question, 2 supporting defense fleets of the Syndicate-Placid Commonwealth were on patrol in the Syndicate region. An intelligence report came in that wanted criminal corps "the legitimate businesmans club" and "space wolves" had claimed the XZH-4X system for themselves along with "Fatal Shadows"(your corp). Although very close, the XZH-4X system is not within the jurisdiction of the S.P.C. However, the decision to engage the wanted captains of the L.B.C., Space wolves, and unknown "Fatal Shadows corp" was made and course was set for XZH-4X.
The outcome and facts of this story concerning yourself, Tenchu, have allready been documented in the posts above. Your ship was destroyed by those very S.P.C. forces.
However, after reviewing Fatal Shadows in-game website, there is nothing there to indicate that F.S. is a piratical corp. My question to you, and the leadership of F.S. is:
Was F.S., at this time, afiliated in any form with these two Pirate corps?
If yes, then I am sorry, but you are entittled to nothing. And good day sir.
If no, then there has been a intelligence error on our part and we appologize for the inconvienience we have caused you. A new bestower will be given to you along with the re-embursement of your "A" clone.
What I require now is confirmation from an official representative from your corp. An additional reponse from the L.B.C. or Space Wolves would expedite this matter as well.
Sincerely,
Halseth Durn
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Vegeta
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Posted - 2003.08.29 12:13:00 -
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u guys are fighting over a bestower, come on.
no we dont have any connection with FS.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2003.08.29 12:16:00 -
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im a wanted captain 
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Zaphod Robotnik
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Posted - 2003.08.29 12:17:00 -
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u guys are fighting over a bestower, come on.
The issue is not with the ship involved, but with the actions of the individual. No member corporation of the SPC will ever assist or indulge in piratical behaviour.
As such, while we are perfectly willing to refund/replace ships lost in accidental cross-fire, we will not refund corporations/entities who indulge in any form of pirating.
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Zaphod "Zaprobo" Robotnik
President, Royal Communication Department
http://eve.britishspacecorps.co.uk/http://eve.britishspacecorps |
Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.08.30 19:31:00 -
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I am still waiting for an official reply from F.S.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Mr Bridger
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Posted - 2003.09.02 13:01:00 -
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Yes, the SPC are indeed pirates.
They rob from the poor to fuel their foul war engine and their leaders hide behind words of appeasement.
They pretend to be peaceful today, yet they allow Moo and Sinister to farm systems in their space. Indeed a member of Arcane Tech has joined Moo to get additional training.
Deny this SPC if you dare
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.09.02 16:34:00 -
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Yes, the SPC are indeed pirates.
They rob from the poor to fuel their foul war engine and their leaders hide behind words of appeasement.
They pretend to be peaceful today, yet they allow Moo and Sinister to farm systems in their space. Indeed a member of Arcane Tech has joined Moo to get additional training.
Deny this SPC if you dare
Dear Mr. Bringer,
(begin sarcastic tone) Congratulations sir, you have figured us out. Our ruthlessly evil domination will soon sweep over the entire galaxy forcing all before us into a horrible life of endless servitude and misery. (end sarcastic tone)
Seriously, Mr. Bringer, we steal from the poor? Who would that be? I would love to meet these people. Let them speak here.
We have a War machine?! Perhaps I never noticed it before. Or are you refering to our member based security forces that patrol Syndicate searching for blockades to break up? Please be more specific.
And now I would like to address the very serious accusations you have made insinuating a relationship between the piratical forces of M0o and Sinister and the S.P.C. You are wrong. If you have proof, then state it here. If you do not, then please keep your unfounded assumptions to yourself. Do you know the only effective way to stop gate camping piracy? I do. The only way to effectivly prevent gate camping is to GATE CAMP. This is a very unprofitable (and extremely boring) venture. We have found that the average pilots tollerance for this duty to be about 20 minutes. Also, please do not point to the desertion of Sassinak from the great corp of Arcane as proof of S.P.C. piracy. BTW, who do you think placed the bounty so quickly after this traitors "change of heart"?
I dare to deny your unfounded claims.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Salamon
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Posted - 2003.09.02 17:04:00 -
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Well said Halseth. Speaking from first hand experience within the Syndicate region I can bear witness that the SPC plays a vital role in keeping the space lanes open to all. It is surely an impossible task to elimate all pirates but SPC ships to their part to keep this menace in check.
Allowing Mr. Bridger to disparage the good name of the SPC without proof would be a great diservice to those who battle each day to keep the region safe.
Reagards
Salamon
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Mr Bridger
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Posted - 2003.09.03 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Bridger on 03/09/2003 11:55:24
Ahh, Mr Durn,
What level of proof would you like.....
Or like many on these boards are you one of those who insist on proof that is impossible to get?
Anyway the facts speak for themselves....
1. Moo/Sinister almost daily camp gates in the SPC region and have done for more than a month.
2. Sassinak was a member of Arcane Tech who is now a member of Moo (Do you need a Reference to join Moo?)
3. Arcane Tech and BSC are extremely close allies and are both equipment suppliers
These gents are the facts, so deny them if you dare. The SPC is rotten to the core, yet it will not be realised for a while yet by the general Eve population.
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Woetra
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Posted - 2003.09.03 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Woetra on 03/09/2003 12:18:08
LOL!
and again
LOL!
if we're so evil at least people like you will stay the hell out of the region  F'kin n00bs
If I'm in bed with m0o, why do they run away all the time?
My breath smell? *sniffs fingers*
If we are pirates just like m0o, then why would sassinak bother to leave us in favour of m0o? Like some sort of kinky foreign exchange? yeah, go back to school.
I actually cannot seriously believe someone so delinquently misguided could legitimately learn to use windows, let alone EVE.
Sig Thief
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Salamon
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Posted - 2003.09.03 14:01:00 -
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Mr Bridger.
It does not take a brave man to call into question the bravery and dedication of others from the safety of a secure station. To do so may be a trait you find acceptable but personally I find it laced with cowardice.
I challenge you to prove me wrong in my views. Contact me via the NEO COM and I will more than gladly risk both my ship and my crew next to yours in patrol of the Syndicate regions.
However until such time as you are ready to risk yourself please do not presume to pass judgement on those who do for you what you will not do for yourself.
The guantlet has been thrown, will you pick it up?
Regards
Salamon and the crew of The Emperor's Hand
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Zaphod Robotnik
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Posted - 2003.09.03 14:56:00 -
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2. Sassinak was a member of Arcane Tech who is now a member of Moo (Do you need a Reference to join Moo?)
3. Arcane Tech and BSC are extremely close allies and are both equipment suppliers
Greetings.
As Royal Communication Department President for the British Space Corporation, I would like to address these last two points, as you appear to be trying to start somewhat of a smear campaign against the BSC and our satellite corporations. That's just not British.
Sassinak, once ranking member of Arcane Technologies has indeed turned tail and left for m0o Corp. That's Sassinak, not Arcane, Adeptus or the BSC. Nor indeed any member of the SPC. One bad apple. And I can assure you, the Royal Security Department will cut the apple down to the core.
Arcane Technologies and the British Space Corporation are indeed both ship/equipment suppliers. We're actualy very good at it, as many of our customers will testify.
However, among those customers you will not find a SINGLE pirate corporation. The BSC and her subsidaries are vehemently against any form of piratical actions, including but not limited to...
- Slave Trading
- Freedom Fighting
- Assassination
- "Toll" Gates
- Murderers
Our relations with other corporations are a matter of public record and our history speaks for itself.
Should you have any legitimate concerns, then feel free to evemail me and I will be happy to address them.
Failing that, I would advise you to check your facts before publically failing to bad mouth a reputable corporation.
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Zaphod "Zaprobo" Robotnik
President, Royal Communication Department
http://eve.britishspacecorps.co.uk/http://eve.britishspacecorps |
The Enslaver
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Posted - 2003.09.03 15:15:00 -
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Please note, the British Space Corporation homepage is currently experiencing some technical difficulties, and no www.britishspacecorps.co.uk subdomains are currently working.
They should be working soon. Until then, our ingame site, the British Neural Network, and our out of game website are unavailable.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.09.03 16:21:00 -
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Gentlemen,
I believe that Mr. Bringer here is simply a rable-rousing prankster with no tangable proof and a dull imagination. Perhaps he is hoping to get on "Minmatars funniest home prank calls". Whatever his issue is, I suggest we simply ignor any more of his unfounded claims.
NOW, back to the original discussion of this post; the destruction of Tenchus ship while AFK mining in the XZH-4X system by an S.P.C. security fleet. It has been 4 days since his last correspondence. As you may recall, the burden has fallen to the leaders of "Fatal Shadows" corp. I will give them 1 more day, and then have to declare this matter closed with no chance for appeal.
If this is the last posting of this thread, I would like to thank "the Reclaimer" for bringing this matter to my attention. And I would also like to thank our friends and allies in the BSC for their support of the good reputation of the SPC.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Doctor Angry
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Posted - 2003.09.03 18:49:00 -
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Mr Bridger,
As my Communications department has already responded, I'll keep this short.
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1. Moo/Sinister almost daily camp gates in the SPC region and have done for more than a month.
This is Proof? Proof of what? The fact that m0o are actually quite good at what they do? Good for them if they camp daily, the SPC attempts to remove their presence when it can. I don't see you doing anything other than blowing off on the forums.
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2. Sassinak was a member of Arcane Tech who is now a member of Moo (Do you need a Reference to join Moo?)
Again, can I ask what this is proof of, and can you please inform me of any FACTS you have on this matter? Sassinak joining m0o happened a while ago....did you only just find out and are deciding to broadcast now?
As soon as Sassinak moved, they placed the bounty on his head. There is no such thing as a specific reference to join m0o. I will however point out that m0o will know who the good pilots are, and will know who fought well against them. THAT is why Sassinak will have been accepted into m0o when he decided to turn his back on his corp.
I dont imagine that m0o will be contacting you about membership anytime soon, Mr Bridger, so I wouldn't worry about that.
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3. Arcane Tech and BSC are extremely close allies and are both equipment suppliers
My word, Mr Bridger, I must say that you are well informed......
Can I ask....is that supposed to be a damning statement? It's actually more of an advertisement to the fact that the BSC and ATUK sell equipment. For the record, we also sell ships, just in case you weren't informed on that subject too.
Oh, and here's another statement that most of EVE already knows. The BSC and ATUK also have very close ties with Oberon Inc. SO I take it that you are accusing them of underhanded tactics as well?
Please Mr Bridger, if you are going to make any posts of a disparaging nature in the future, at least have the good sense to make them actually have some substance. You have stated that M0o and Sinister camp gates (uh....common knowledge there I'm afriad.....it's what they do), Sassinak joined m0o (Hmmm, old news that.), and that the BSC and ATUK supply equipment (Yes, we do....and what about it?).
All three of the things you present are merely statements of things that people already know. There is no proof of anything in what you say, so unless you can actually provide some PROOF I suggest you keep quiet in future.
Just so you know, proof would be damning EVIDENCE of something. Once you work that out and can actually supply something in that way, then please present it.
The only thing I can see here is that YOU are the only person who's integrity is questionable. YOU are the one mudslinging (with no tangible evidence of anything) so the logical conclusion woul be that YOU are allied with m0o and are attempting (badly) to discredit someone.
The BSC/ATUK does indeed supply equipment.....we wont be supplying any to you however.
Doctor Angry
BSC CEO
Campbells Condensed : A small double strength fart which, when combined with air, can produce enough to feed a whole room |
Mr Bridger
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Posted - 2003.09.03 19:54:00 -
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Gentlemen,
You wanted damning evidence...this is hot from my source within the BSC, who also supplies information for a suitable fee to me and my clients.
This was posted by Woetra a member of BSC on their internal forum. As you can see he is a member of the RID (Royal Industrial Department), so he would be well aware of who they supply with ships
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Group: RID Staff
Posts: 201
Joined: April 2003 Posted: Sep. 03 2003,20:06
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we sold stavros his maller
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How about that for DAMNING proof
Deny that BSC.
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Darion MacVale
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Posted - 2003.09.03 19:56:00 -
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Plot thickens...
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Doctor Angry
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Posted - 2003.09.03 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Angry on 03/09/2003 20:16:19
Yes...we did sell Satvr0s his first Maller.
We sold it very early in the game and prior to him becoming a member of m0o corp.
I noticed you did not post the post which followed that one from our member Clade:
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we had good dealings with strav0s in teh past traded afew ships for ships kinda thing, but that was before he went to m00 ;)
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Sorry Bridger, nice try, but wrong. Again, if you are going to trawl peoples forums have the decency to post the whole story idiot
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Posts: 431
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You will notice from that, that Clade is the HEAD of trade and Construction. (Notice the word "Senior" there Mr Bridger.) Clade is in a better position than you, your spy, or Woetra to know who we sell to.
I suggest that you either fire your spy, or at the very least, do your contemptible research properly before making a public fool of yourself.
Regards,
Doctor Angry.
Doctor Angry
BSC CEO
Campbells Condensed : A small double strength fart which, when combined with air, can produce enough to feed a whole room |
Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.09.03 20:09:00 -
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He-he, good show, doc.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Doctor Angry
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Posted - 2003.09.03 20:25:00 -
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Hmmmmm....
Just noticed a couple of other posts on our boards that you failed to notice Mr Bridger.....
How about this one from our member Faustus/The Daddy:
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I know the 'Gent' Mr Bridger....he cost me an Omen
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Joined: June 2003
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Hmmm...so you are actually no better than what you accuse others of? Oh, by the way, that post was in THE VERY SAME THREAD that our esteemed Mr Bridger took his little excerpt from.....
Or this one:
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PS If we were supplying m0o with ships why are they still shooting at us?
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Again, from the same thread by our member Rincewind, who as you will notice is ALSO in our RID.
And Finally, from myself:
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We've not been supplying m0o with gear. I refused a sale to m0o about a couple of weeks ago.
The BSC will not knowingly deal with any pirate corps.....
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Ah well, Mr Bridger. It seems you are only able to produce evidence in your own interests and unable to actually present a case properly. Please refrain from posting things from our message boards in future, you obviously dont read the threads properly....or, your spy is shafting you to make you look stupid. Your choice :)
Doctor Angry
BSC CEO
Campbells Condensed : A small double strength fart which, when combined with air, can produce enough to feed a whole room |
Ryaekk Dakalsai
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Posted - 2003.09.03 21:01:00 -
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Anyone get the feeling Bridger is trying to get recruited into the 'Alistair Campbell School of Poor Spin' 
Yet again Bridger you show your incompetence at evidence gathering and communication by blatently only showing the information which suits your needs and can be simply flushed away by rational argument.
Whats up mommy take away the minmatar lingerie catalogue so you cant 'enjoy' yourself on those long lonely trips through space?
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Xeris
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Posted - 2003.09.03 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Xeris on 03/09/2003 21:17:20
Greetings.
Sorry for the delay in my posting, but it has been a very busy week for me.
I'm not sure what kind of reports you are compiling, but any affiliation of Fatal Shadows and L.B.C. and space wolves is completly false.
For the record, FS has had several skirmishes with the L.B.C. and have been working to keep the Cloud Ring pirate free.
Fatal Shadows fully condems the actions of the SPC for their actions of hostility and griefing. Tenchu was piloting a non-hostile, non combat vessle in a system outside of your patrol jurisdiction (for the record, XZH is 10 jumps outside of Syndicate).
Because of your misinformed intelligence report, I could understand if you engaged our patroling warships. However, destroying a non-combat vessle and pod killing its pilot well outside of your self proclaimed territory is an act of piracy, and a black eye for the SPC in the eyes of Fatal Shadows and our allies.
-Xeris
Fatal Shadows Defence Minister
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.09.03 22:55:00 -
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Quote:
sorry for replying the request so late as i am quite busy these days in my RL.
First i am just a decent miner without any hostility toward Oberon Corp. secondly, i never kill any people in the World of Eve but npc pirate. thirdly, FS corp does not delcare war to Oberon corp so far.
I do not know the detail since i was away at the time when i got pod killed and the location is in XZH-4X.
I was flying bestower with 200 bistot and my clone status is A.
Hope my info could solve the mystery.
Tenchu
Xeris, thank you very much for responding. I hope that Oberon and the SPC have not offended Fatal Shadows too deeply. Perhaps there was a mis-communication on the third corp claiming the XZH-4X system along with LBC and Space Wolves. We are now fully prepared to re-emburse Tenchu for the Bestower and an "A" clone. But before we do that, can you explain to me how one F.S. pilot (Tenchu) can AFK mine in a 0.0 system crawling with NPC and player pirates?
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Rattican
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Posted - 2003.09.04 00:16:00 -
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It's not that the SPC are pirates, it's that they are FAR TOO WEAK to do anything about it. Every pirate organization in the Syndicate/Placid region considers them a joke.
A pretty bad joke, but a joke just the same.
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Dawson
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Posted - 2003.09.04 00:51:00 -
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your just talking plain rubbish now.
Ambassador
Admiral of the Blue
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Xeris
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Posted - 2003.09.04 05:07:00 -
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Quote:
But before we do that, can you explain to me how one F.S. pilot (Tenchu) can AFK mine in a 0.0 system crawling with NPC and player pirates?
There are some belts in XZH (and other systems) that are 300 km wide, alowing you to AFK mine far enough away from pirate spawns that they will never bother you...as for PC pirates, its a risk worth taking all things considered.
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Smithers
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Posted - 2003.09.04 07:30:00 -
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Have to say, on behalf of Fatal Shadows, that I've never had any problems with them whatsoever and I see them all the time in Cloud ring.
LBC and Space Puppies are a different matter though
so in short
Fatal Shadows = nice
LBC = nasty
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.09.04 15:25:00 -
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Xeris, thank you for that explanation. I am now considering this investigation closed. It appears that The S.P.C. is at fault in this matter and for this we acknowlege responsability. Tenchu, even though I personaly question your choice to AFK mine in 0.0 space, please accept this sincere, formal appology from the S.P.C.
Restitution for an "A" class clone will be paid to Tenchu and a new Bestower class cargo vessel will be provided from the Oberon shipyards. I hope that there will be ill feelings between F.S> and Oberon. We will be in contact very soon.to arrange delivery of the ship.
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Noobious
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Posted - 2003.09.05 11:44:00 -
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lol smithers
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.09.05 15:40:00 -
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Yeah, that was a good one  |
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