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Bastion Arzi
Dat Tax
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:35:00 -
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+1 from me
I mean in eve u are encouraged to get out there and join a corp.
but what if your new and you take this advice and your corp mates blow you up for giggles. I find this ridiculous and also i imagine that some new players sadly have probably left the game because of something liek this happening.
On second thought u dont even have to be new for som ething like this to happen. Just unlucky.
Personally im afraid to join many corps becuase of this and it is really limiting my experiences in eve.
On the other hand it does help when u want to practice some pvp with ur corpmates but then couldnt you just duel each other for that?
....I suppose that limits the fights to 1v1's though im not really sure. |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
216
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:42:00 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:+1 from me
I mean in eve u are encouraged to get out there and join a corp.
but what if your new and you take this advice and your corp mates blow you up for giggles. I find this ridiculous and also i imagine that some new players sadly have probably left the game because of something liek this happening.
On second thought u dont even have to be new for som ething like this to happen. Just unlucky.
Personally im afraid to join many corps becuase of this and it is really limiting my experiences in eve.
On the other hand it does help when u want to practice some pvp with ur corpmates but then couldnt you just duel each other for that?
....I suppose that limits the fights to 1v1's though im not really sure.
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
630
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:45:00 -
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APOC UK wrote:Maximus Aerelius wrote:Posn Akiga wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Posn Akiga wrote:i support this message I am sure you do.... Pro tip hide your corporation and alliance information when trying to support a corporates thread. On topic, no. Just saying i support my corpmate, it was my way of bumping the post. Bumping 5 minutes after creation...yeah alright  Look he's just voicing his support so lets not flame grill him for it ok?
But I like to flame grill them supporters, I mean how dare they support their own corp members posts...just disgusts me  /sarcasm.
Fair one, wrist slapped, apologies. 
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
632
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:49:00 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:+1 from me
I mean in eve u are encouraged to get out there and join a corp.
but what if your new and you take this advice and your corp mates blow you up for giggles. I find this ridiculous and also i imagine that some new players sadly have probably left the game because of something liek this happening.
On second thought u dont even have to be new for som ething like this to happen. Just unlucky.
Personally im afraid to join many corps becuase of this and it is really limiting my experiences in eve.
On the other hand it does help when u want to practice some pvp with ur corpmates but then couldnt you just duel each other for that?
....I suppose that limits the fights to 1v1's though im not really sure.
If you don't trust the Corp you are looking to join or your Corp Mates then don't join one\leave. Simple really. There are plenty of characters who spend their whole lives in NPC Corps and it has it's advantages like War Immunity but the Tax is harsh. You could create your own and invite people you trust or RL friends to play.
Trust is a rare thing in EVE but then it's a harsh universe and not for the feint of heart...now HTFU, get out there and od your thing 
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1565
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:48:00 -
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APOC UK wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Absolutely not. If I couldn't awox, then I couldn't blow up my corpies' carebear exploration boats and get that fat payout and totally blingy medal from my CEO.
Remember kids, awoxing is fun. very grown up
It is indeed very grown up; quite the antithesis of crying about stopping things that do not matter, like awoxing.
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
472
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:03:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:APOC UK wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Absolutely not. If I couldn't awox, then I couldn't blow up my corpies' carebear exploration boats and get that fat payout and totally blingy medal from my CEO.
Remember kids, awoxing is fun. very grown up It is indeed very grown up; quite the antithesis of crying about stopping things that do not matter, like awoxing.
If it doesn't matter, than why allow it? |
Cage Man
265
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:06:00 -
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While I am not a supporter of griefers and thieves, been a victim before, I think it does make eve interesting and keeps recruiters on their toes and makes players take some responsibility in vetting new corpies.
I would prefer they make it that if your safety is on "green" you can't accidentally shoot corpies, mostly cause I shoot my alt all the time when I have cap chaining setup's.
The thick plottens...
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2542
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:07:00 -
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APOC UK wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Absolutely not. If I couldn't awox, then I couldn't blow up my corpies' carebear exploration boats and get that fat payout and totally blingy medal from my CEO.
Remember kids, awoxing is fun. very grown up
I am said CEO and I'm confirming I am super duper very grown up.
Remember that aggression rules are only enforced by CONCORD to prevent strife and shooting of innocents. However, once you step into a corp, you're inside a self contained group that acts as one entity to the outside, and whose affairs cannot be interfered in by 3rd parties. With the convenience of this lack of interference comes the cost of having to actually manage internal affairs yourself.
Yes, "internal affairs". Once someone is in a corp, it is presumed that he or she is trusted enough to be "one of you". That means access to your jetcans, POSes, corp hangars, and free rein to do whatever you want to or with each other. Getting rid of legal in-corp shooting is like getting rid of sharing jetcan access, or adding the ability to "opt out" of a war dec. It's simply integral to what a corp is.
If you would like to hang out with someone but don't trust them with the various aspects of being in your corp, try a chat channel and a fleet. You get the full protection of non-corpmateship, while still being able to do stuff together.
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Now, I've held this back long enough: LOLOO NUB U MAD AT AWOXERS LOL can i have, your STUFF! whatacarebear #yolo
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
1097
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:31:00 -
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Gigan Amilupar wrote:Show us on the doll where the AWOXer touched you.
Pretty much every where I'm thinking.
As for the suggestion: No.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
1097
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:33:00 -
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Orakkus wrote:APOC UK wrote:So hears my idea.
I think this game has come a long way over the years but one thing that i think has stayed behind the times is the ability for corp members to shoot at each other without putting an official duel in place in advance.
Why is this a problem i hear you all ask?
Well as you know there are many griefers in this game who take advantage of corps who are recruiting,
They get through the security checks somehow and then Bam!!! there goes an expensive ship up in smoke.
I know this has been a feature of the game since its birth to allow corp members to shoot at each other and was meant for the purpose of testing load-outs or corp tournaments which are all good fun. Maybe initially that was the case, but it has long developed into both a griefer mechanics as well as a major type of sabotage and spying for in game corporations and alliances.
It isn't griefing, by definition.
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
236
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:31:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:Why is it so many people support awoxing which is a blatant slap in the face to this?
you can do something radical like kill the awoxer......
This is an empire problem. Out of empire they handle their own business. Awoxer goes guns hot....well they get the favor returned at some point. Or they have diplo's to handle this in the case of intra corp awoxing in an alliance. Sometimes reimbursement in order, other times the awoxer failed and had tables turned hard on them and they died. Matter settled right then and there.
When low, wh and 0.0 have a solution in place I jsut don't see ccp going this is broke. Thousands of players already found a way to work the situation. |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
475
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:38:00 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:Joe Risalo wrote:Why is it so many people support awoxing which is a blatant slap in the face to this? you can do something radical like kill the awoxer...... This is an empire problem. Out of empire they handle their own business. Awoxer goes guns hot....well they get the favor returned at some point. Or they have diplo's to handle this in the case of intra corp awoxing in an alliance. Sometimes reimbursement in order, other times the awoxer failed and had tables turned hard on them and they died. Matter settled right then and there. When low, wh and 0.0 have a solution in place I jsut don't see ccp going this is broke. Thousands of players already found a way to work the situation.
Problem is, a lot of awoxers have a strong backing, so seeking revenge typically leads to things being worse than they were just trying to kick him out of corp...
I remember almost joining a corp that got awoxed and exacted revenge... The. They ended up with a perma dec from test alliance...
That's typicLly the problem here.
Most of the time it's small high sec corps that can't defend themselves well enough to counter the awoxer once his friends join the fight....
I don't see why these groups can't just wardec or suicide gank like the rest of the good people in Eve... |
Tenaris Zeratul
War Trust Incorporated
ScorpNET Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.09.27 07:01:00 -
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APOC UK wrote:So hears my idea.
I think this game has come a long way over the years but one thing that i think has stayed behind the times is the ability for corp members to shoot at each other without putting an official duel in place in advance.
Why is this a problem i hear you all ask?
Well as you know there are many griefers in this game who take advantage of corps who are recruiting,
They get through the security checks somehow and then Bam!!! there goes an expensive ship up in smoke.
I know this has been a feature of the game since its birth to allow corp members to shoot at each other and was meant for the purpose of testing load-outs or corp tournaments which are all good fun.
I left the game for a while and when i came back started up my old corporation and started a new crew. We have tried to be careful who we recruit but have now had 3 characters shoot down our corp mates for fun before leaving or being kicked from the corp. Now admittedly the first one duped my 2nd in command who didn't do any background checking but the second 2 appeared OK. full API keys nothing majorly wrong i had a bad feeling but we decided to give them a shot after we had a long chat to them on our TS Server. they worked so hard to convince us that they were honest decent people and i think that's just taking it too far.
I believe this to be an abuse of what was meant for good fun and believe that shooting at corp members should only be allowed through a duel. wanting to see what everyone elses opinions are related to this issue and get some developer feedback also.
Look forward to your responses
Regards
Apoc UK
http://zkillboard.com/detail/33450517/
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Captain Firefly Morgan
War Trust Incorporated
ScorpNET Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.09.27 07:15:00 -
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Tenaris Zeratul wrote:APOC UK wrote:So hears my idea.
I think this game has come a long way over the years but one thing that i think has stayed behind the times is the ability for corp members to shoot at each other without putting an official duel in place in advance.
Why is this a problem i hear you all ask?
Well as you know there are many griefers in this game who take advantage of corps who are recruiting,
They get through the security checks somehow and then Bam!!! there goes an expensive ship up in smoke.
I know this has been a feature of the game since its birth to allow corp members to shoot at each other and was meant for the purpose of testing load-outs or corp tournaments which are all good fun.
I left the game for a while and when i came back started up my old corporation and started a new crew. We have tried to be careful who we recruit but have now had 3 characters shoot down our corp mates for fun before leaving or being kicked from the corp. Now admittedly the first one duped my 2nd in command who didn't do any background checking but the second 2 appeared OK. full API keys nothing majorly wrong i had a bad feeling but we decided to give them a shot after we had a long chat to them on our TS Server. they worked so hard to convince us that they were honest decent people and i think that's just taking it too far.
I believe this to be an abuse of what was meant for good fun and believe that shooting at corp members should only be allowed through a duel. wanting to see what everyone elses opinions are related to this issue and get some developer feedback also.
Look forward to your responses
Regards
Apoc UK http://zkillboard.com/detail/33450517/
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
993
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Posted - 2013.09.27 07:47:00 -
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Firstly, the second I looked at the thread, I knew there had to be an awox or two in your past. But 3? That made me laugh.
The fact of the matter is that there are a few legitimate reasons why corp members need to be able to shoot at each other. Teaching one another pvp tricks and tips, or teaching fleet combat against other corp fleets is a good one.
It so happens that this can also be used to awox your own corp. Oh well. The thing is, plenty of people make the rules as they exist work just fine for them, so why can't you?
What an awox really does, as far as the aftermath, is make a good, tight-knit corp better, and a weak-wristed, spineless corp moreso. Deal with it, kick them, move on. And if not? Well, your corp would not have stood up to the first competent wardec either.
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culo duro
The Bootcamp
EveryoneVersusEveryone.com.
302
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Posted - 2013.09.27 08:00:00 -
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You guys are talking about the wrong problem honestly.
The problem isn't that you can be awox'd, the problem is that you can use logi that doesn't go suspect unless you're at war.
Then there's the other problem which is that it's only on a corp level... not alliance.
It really isn't about that awoxing is possible, it's about that awoxing favours the awoxer so much, because he can strike when someone is alone, and no one knows about it untill it happens.
I guess you can stretch that to spys aswell, however spys is a whole other game honestly.
I gotta agree with that guy that wrote that awoxing got nothing to do with risk vs reward, atleast at the current setup.
I personally think awoxing is okay, however i think it's hilarious with those dudes that awox and claim they do pro pvp because of it. |
Dream Kim
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.10.02 22:16:00 -
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culo duro wrote:i think it's hilarious with those dudes that awox and claim they do pro pvp because of it.
Like who? |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
527
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Posted - 2013.10.02 22:39:00 -
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Dream Kim wrote:culo duro wrote:i think it's hilarious with those dudes that awox and claim they do pro pvp because of it. Like who?
Everyone who has ever awoxed.. |
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
546
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Posted - 2013.10.02 22:53:00 -
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There is no amount of legwork that can be done to prevent Awoxing. You can check APIs, whatever. It should be castrated. |
Maximus Andendare
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
615
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Posted - 2013.10.02 23:00:00 -
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Security checks are important. It's not really CCP's fault to alter the game because someone in your corp dropped the ball.
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
529
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Posted - 2013.10.02 23:19:00 -
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Maximus Andendare wrote:Security checks are important. It's not really CCP's fault to alter the game because someone in your corp dropped the ball.
Security checks only go so far.
I've seen people start an account just for the sheer sake of awoxing.
there's no security check for that. |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
397
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Posted - 2013.10.02 23:23:00 -
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"Bawwww I got awox'd make the mean people go away" |
Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises
Easily Offended
108
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Posted - 2013.10.02 23:50:00 -
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The worth of a corporation is the trust between its members. Trust that can not be broken isn't trust. |
Dream Kim
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.10.03 00:02:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:Maximus Andendare wrote:Security checks are important. It's not really CCP's fault to alter the game because someone in your corp dropped the ball. Security checks only go so far. I've seen people start an account just for the sheer sake of awoxing. there's no security check for that.
Yes there is.
It's called an SP minimum. |
Dream Kim
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.10.03 00:03:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:Dream Kim wrote:culo duro wrote:i think it's hilarious with those dudes that awox and claim they do pro pvp because of it. Like who? Everyone who has ever awoxed..
Again, who? Got any quotes? |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
529
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Posted - 2013.10.03 00:22:00 -
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Dream Kim wrote:Joe Risalo wrote:Dream Kim wrote:culo duro wrote:i think it's hilarious with those dudes that awox and claim they do pro pvp because of it. Like who? Everyone who has ever awoxed.. Again, who? Got any quotes?
Wow.....
Troll mor?
Sure... let me just go dig through my journal I keep of all the people that have awoxed someone I know.
It's right below all the people that can flipped myself or anyone I know, but just above all the people who have suicide ganked myself or anyone I know...
Cause I've kept track of that crap since I started... Just like everyone else in Eve... Seriously.. Go troll the WoW forums... |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
950
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Posted - 2013.10.03 08:55:00 -
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Personally threads like this cause terrible grief for me, and get this right: CCP HASNT EVEN PUT IN A MECHANIC TO STOP THEM!!!!!!!!
Where can I write my letter of complaint to?
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1624
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:47:00 -
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Firstly, who would ever trust anyone named Tenaris Zeratul or Captain Firefly Morgan?
Secondly, If we're not flame-grilling the OP (and his alleged alt-supporters) ... can we bring Phased Plasma or Antimatter and grill them with that? 
On Topic:
I really can't get behind this -- the mechanic is (as mentioned out) in place to allow corps to handle things internally ... just happens that some people use it to cause drama... wonder whatever happened to awox anyway (yes kids, "awoxing" is named after the first pilot to have done it).
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Batelle
RisingSuns
167
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:29:00 -
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Concorde (same for suspect status and sec status hits) should never be involved as a result of any action between two corp members. The corp is sacred.
Fighting is Magic |
Arya Regnar
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
282
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:41:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:Maximus Andendare wrote:Security checks are important. It's not really CCP's fault to alter the game because someone in your corp dropped the ball. Security checks only go so far. I've seen people start an account just for the sheer sake of awoxing. there's no security check for that.
How about you actually do personality checks on them?
I guess there's no way you would know how to do that since you have to awox first to know what to look for.
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