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Vald Tegor
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:24:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Cursan Voran wrote:Also, as someone who does not use somer blink, how do I get a chance at these giveaways? You can register and play a free promo blink which happen often and get an entry.
And what about the people who have been banned by SOMER from their third party site? Particularly for offenses such as using auto refresh in an out of game browser on their third party site to catch promos. Something that is not even listed as illegal in the rules on the site. Or for using alt accounts to abuse the achievement system.
Relevant quote:
CCP Falcon wrote: Due to complaints regarding overzealous player moderation on this channel, everyone from CCP who has been interacting here will be withdrawing from doing so. The same goes for "The Summit" and "Live Events" The reason for this is that we can't allow players to be locked out of interaction with us based on grudges that are held between players.
Yet it's ok to lock out players from distributions like this based on "player grudges" that don't even take place within New Eden, but on a third party site? |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:26:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I encourage everyone to troll the **** out of their "SOMER Lotteries" public channel. But then I'd get banned from their site and lose my tickets! |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 02:00:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Vald Tegor wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I encourage everyone to troll the **** out of their "SOMER Lotteries" public channel. But then I'd get banned from their site and lose my tickets! And? You really want to keep playing and maybe sending them occasional ISK for the small chance of maybe winning a promo some day? Actually I'm 2 bil in the green and more or less quit a couple months ago while I'm ahead. I still have a few dozen promo tokens left over I'm playing through during this event, because why not. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:15:00 -
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Lykouleon wrote:CCP shouldn't be allowing third-party sites to give away expensive in-game items or collectors items. CCP should not be exclusively using one third-party site unless they off similar sites the same opportunity.
[/thread] You had it right with the first sentence, then you got lost again. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:16:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:If CCP wants to compensate somer blink for helping promote eve vegas how is that anybody's business? Would it be ok if it were done with RL money? What if that were then converted to plex and then isk?
If the rest of you ***** had an organization that ccp thought could help promote their game you might get the same deal. But you're all just a bunch of hysterical nerds ... so no dice.
Here's an idea. Do a community spotlight on the awesome things Blink is doing for the community with their own money they take off other players and scratch their back by introducing them to a wider audience. You know, like they already did in the past, getting them some extra traffic.
Not by vouching for their integrity and spawning prizes for them to sell, in addition to the above. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:41:00 -
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Memnon Shepard wrote:1. Eve employees aren't allowed to bid and would thus be excluded from winning prizes. I believe Chribba's Dice is used to pick winners and that CCP holds the prizes until the drawings and transfers them through SOMER to the winners (ticket numbers being available before the drawing for the public to view).
2. If so, worst case scenario is that a Blink employee might risk a lucrative position working for SOMER for the same chances to win the lottery as any other player. The third party drawing service would separate Blink from the chance to GÇÿstealGÇÖ the items. Some people are talking about Blink employee shills, without understanding that many casinos use shills (or prop players) as a customer service - people filling poker tables to keep games going being one example. In the case of Blink, it would help the games move faster and would not detract from the odds of any individual ticket winning. This is a good thing, though again IGÇÖm not sure itGÇÖs even happening. I think you're missing some points here. Casinos don't hand out free raffle tickets to shills. Blink can.
A raffle ticket for these items is generated with any ticket purchase including a promo. The cost of a promo is a token. Tokens are generated and assigned by the site through a variety of means. Do you really think blink is not able to assign credit/tokens out of thin air to shill accounts to buy out a large portion of promo tickets (which itself could be scripted)?
Memnon Shepard wrote:4. CCP seems only guilty of increasing traffic through an in-game corporation's site. They aren't giving prizes directly to SOMER Blink They are vouching for an in-game entity's integrity in a game where trust is the most valued possession. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:56:00 -
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Memnon Shepard wrote:Jamison wrote:Andrev Nox wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Pull Chribba Dice support in protest.
Do you feel any hypocrisy posting that 32 minutes after you claimed your free gift on our site? Just curious if you'd prefer to withdraw your use of our gifts in protest :) Original post.This is so wrong, how many EULA violations is this exactly CCP Navigator? Does a reply like this meet the TOS? Regardless if it is true or not, the only way of knowing this information would be for this person to look into the personal data on SOMER BLINK and then turn around and writing about it in a public post. The fact that the issues are being completely ignored by CCP Navigator and was was never mentioned to the CSM makes me think that we have not begun to hear the whole story. Just how long was this project being worked on, who was involved with the deal and what have people been given to make this work? One could also be looking at the page when the gift was claimed, where the information is posted publicly for every player to see. I'm pretty sure that doesn't make it private top-secret privileged information. You mean this page which shows only the last 15 players to open a gift and no time stamp? I'm sure he didn't look at a log file or private profile page to see the credit was deposited 32 minutes before.
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Vald Tegor
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:59:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:By this logic the CCP devs cannot show up for eve vegas either. Somer blink is a sponsor of eve vegas and will have their logos everywhere. The CCP devs showing up will provide additional exposure for this event and that results in free marketing for somer blink. Marketing and exposure is the lifeblood of an organization like somer blink so CCP would be giving them an unfair advantage by showing up to eve vegas.
I don't see how any of this is unfair btw. Showing up to an event that is sponsored by Blink = OK Vouching for the integrity of Blink in a public announcement = Not OK.
If honest isk doubler Erotica1 sponsors the next player event, can she too be handed collectors items to give away and have CCP vouch for her integrity? |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 17:54:00 -
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Memnon Shepard wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Is there anyone who thinks this is a good idea and isnt a somer alt or a truly mindless brownnoser? MyEveLotto wrote:People with gambling addictions...? Straying a bit into ad hominem attacks for no reason... I'm willing to bet there are people out there, myself included, who aren't SOMER alts/brown nosers/gambling addicts and also think supporting player-driven initiatives to increase community turnout to live events is a good idea. Yes I'm one of them.
I'm also one of those people who thinks the way they went about it is pants on head. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:11:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:Dex Slim wrote: Just giving one trillion in ISK to SOMER is not fair game. See the difference?
No. No I don't. Somer blink has built up an organization and service that is successful to the point that they can do things like sponsor tournaments and add value/content to EVE. CCP should be able to recognize this and make whatever business arrangements they want with them. How they compensate them for that doesn't really matter to me. They could give them real money. (Which could be used to buy plex and then sold for isk.) They could give them plex. (Which could be sold for isk.) They could give them isk. (Which is already isk.) They could give them ships. (Which could be sold for isk ... or auctioned off for isk.) Either way CCP gets more content in their game and somer gets isk. Cool. So now that the CFC has taken the whole west, and sponsors events like NPSI for the community to join in on, we can have increased deadspace drops within CFC sov as a perk? After all, that doesn't single anyone out - anyone can come rat in that space. They all have a fair chance at the drops just like with Somer. And it's not even collector loot.
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:14:00 -
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T'kimat wrote:Steijn wrote: Goons have contributed more to the community, lets give them the next set of free limited edition content to do as they please with.
Annoying Gëá contributing Oh come on now. Without goons, what reason would the GRR GOONS crowd have for logging into game/forums and interacting with other players. If that's not content generation, then I don't know what is. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 18:20:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:Abernie wrote: So CCP should arbitrarily choose entities to give isk to, just because? Yes. That will end well. Maybe it could be cans of t2 bpos next.
What is arbitrary about it? It's a business deal. It's beneficial to both parties. Does a beer company just pick an arbitrary racing team to sponsor or do they pick one they think will win some races and give their brand good exposure? Except CCP is not a beer company.
You don't stick an F1 sticker on one particular F1 team, give the team a 1 2 start in the race, then call it promoting cars. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:37:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote:Well if you goonies think you can come up with some business deal with CCP then I welcome you to go ahead and take it to them. I think you should be prepared to be laughed out of the room though because you're a bunch of horrible trolls. Wrong thread
Sid Hudgens wrote:And also because while you do create a great deal of content you also create a massive cyber-bullying controversy at CCPs first fanfest with sony. So it's a doubly edged sword huh. Kind of the the whole Somer and promoting gambling against the odds bit.
Sid Hudgens wrote:My main thought on all of this is that the people in this thread a bunch of hysterical rabble-rousers and that CCP was just trying to do something fun for eve vegas. Trying is not good enough. They failed miserably on multiple levels. This is not peewee soccer, where you get a participation ribbon for showing up and don't keep score.
Sid Hudgens wrote:This is why we can't have nice things. You mean like a clear ToS that doesn't need to be clarified and re-clarified across multiple threadnaughts? I don't think the players are the problem here. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:43:00 -
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Sid Hudgens wrote: Well that's an interesting story there. You have first hand knowledge of this or some kind of proof, I'm sure, right?
Is there a confirmation box for every ticket you buy, asking if you're buying a regular blink or here for the collector ships? Confirm/deny?
Now if Somer wants to commit that all wallet deposits during this even will be distributed as prizes, that's a different story. But they are not actually giving away isk in the first place.
Every PvP Tournament participant receives 200M Blink Credit! The winners of every match receive 1 Billion Blink Credit each!
You get credit (hey look, they can create money out of thin air on their site and give it away without an ISK deposit in game) to gamble away. The last time I put 100 mil into blink I came out with a Firetail. Credit =/= ISK. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 19:52:00 -
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MyEveLotto wrote: So, you get tickets for the Blast by playing Blink. Again, you must play Blink (which involves paying ticket costs, and thus paying money to Somer) in order to receive tickets in Blast, which allows you a chance at winning the prizes from CCP.
The leg CCP is standing on is you can sign up, click a link in the Somer public channel to get 5 free tokens, and get 5 free plays on promos to get 5 free tickets.
WHAT THEY NEGLECT TO MENTION Unless you have deposited a Billion isk into blink or played a regular blink in the last 24 hours, you cannot purchase a promo ticket.
So at the very least you have to send them 2mil isk, play a frigate promo giving them that isk at a 1/8 chance of winning 11 mil, then refresh the site like a hawk to catch 7 promo runs. (the 2 mil deposit will give you another 2 tokens). That will then give you 7 raffle tickets for the limited edition prizes, or 8 if you win the blink you played.
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Posted - 2013.09.27 20:07:00 -
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sally Deninard wrote:Vald Tegor wrote:MyEveLotto wrote: So, you get tickets for the Blast by playing Blink. Again, you must play Blink (which involves paying ticket costs, and thus paying money to Somer) in order to receive tickets in Blast, which allows you a chance at winning the prizes from CCP.
The leg CCP is standing on is you can sign up, click a link in the Somer public channel to get 5 free tokens, and get 5 free plays on promos to get 5 free tickets. WHAT THEY NEGLECT TO MENTIONUnless you have deposited a Billion isk into blink or played a regular blink in the last 24 hours, you cannot purchase a promo ticket.So at the very least you have to send them 2mil isk, play a frigate promo giving them that isk at a 1/8 chance of winning 11 mil, then refresh the site like a hawk to catch 7 promo runs. (the 2 mil deposit will give you another 2 tokens). That will then give you 7 raffle tickets for the limited edition prizes, or 8 if you win the blink you played. They also fail to mention that if you are banned by somer blink you CANNOT compete for this prize. So if you fail to follow the toc`s of a 3rd party website, then you will not be able to compete for these unique prizes. Does this really sound fair? Yeah I brought that up ~10 pages back. Along with a CCP Falcon quote about not excluding members of the community based on player vs player grudges.
Also there are things people have been banned from Blink over that are not listed as rules anywhere in their site. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 21:20:00 -
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Sirane Elrek wrote:Have we figured out yet what someone needs to do to get free **** from CCP? Surely Red Frog does enough work for the EVE community to be considered for the next 500 billion ISK gift? How about PL, Kingmakers of Nullsec? EVE Uni perhaps, or RvB?
Or do you have to sponsor player-run events to get free cash? In that case I'd like to enter Goonwaffe for sponsoring Hulkageddon V, and Erotica 1 for being the only honest ISK doubler in EVE and sponsoring the New Order. E: oh and Gevlon Goblin for sponsoring TEST, thus creating some nice fights in Fountain. Well, the CFC apparently doesn't need it. We just blew a few hundred billion ISK shooting each other, at a community event everyone was invited to partake in. |
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Posted - 2013.09.27 21:45:00 -
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Edward Pierce wrote:Vald Tegor wrote: Well, the CFC apparently doesn't need it. We just blew a few hundred billion ISK shooting each other, at a community event everyone was invited to partake in.
Shooting each other's spaceships in the game is not real content generation though; having people play a lottery on an external website for a terrible chance at winning a ship in-game, now that's real content right there. Need to start recruitment scamming for GTC's instead of ISK to qualify for handouts. |
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Posted - 2013.09.28 01:07:00 -
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Jane Schereau wrote:Some have pointed out that CCP is breaking its own ToS by backing somer.
EVE Online Terms of Service wrote: 3. You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies.
7. You may not violate any local, state, national or international laws or regulations.
Gambling is entirely against certain Islamic beliefs and even Catholics have guidelines as to when it is morally acceptable to gamble (Which SOMER Blink may or may not meet).
Gambling is a highly regulated activity and playing Blink is an illegal activity in places around the world.
EVE Online Terms of Service wrote:29. You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE OnlineGÇÖs game service or web site.
CCP Navigator wrote: You can register and play a free promo blink which happen often and get an entry.
(remember, you have to gamble on a blink first to play a promo and buying a promo ticket is gambling in itself)
Ahem. So where does encouraging people to gamble in violation of article 3 and 7 fall?
EVE Online Contests Policy wrote:EVE Online Contests Policy1. ENTRY
NO PURCHASE NECESSARYSubmission addresses and guidelines will be provided in the contest announcement. All submissions will require the following information: Your character name Your EVE Online account name (the name you use to log into the game) Your real name (first and last). Your age Your full mailing address GÇö street, city, state, zip, country (this is for prize mailing purposes ONLY). A contact phone number (This is required for the shipping of prizes. It may also be used as a back-up method of contacting you GÇô but will be used for no other purpose). 2. ELIGIBILITY To enter a contest (a) you must be 13 years of age or older, (b) you must have Internet access and an email account, (c) you must be a current EVE Online subscriber (meaning you must have an active account) on the announced contest start date. Employees of each Sponsor, each of their respective parent companies, affiliates, subsidiaries, representatives, advertising, promotion and publicity agencies and members of the immediate families (defined as parents, children, siblings and spouse, regardless of where they reside) or households of such employees are not eligible. Contest is void where prohibited, restricted or taxed by law. All international federal, state and local laws and regulations apply.
Yeah.. I don't see the "Not be banned from a third party web site by a player run in-game entity" clause. Also as I recall, if you have credit/tokens on blink you can play and be eligible for the prize even if you are not subscribed. Violating 2C. |
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Posted - 2013.09.28 01:13:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote: + 1 to this. Its a big fat load of fuss over nothing
So no one will should mind if next month CCP puts mittens in charge of handing out five Megathron Federate issue battleships? |
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Posted - 2013.09.28 02:49:00 -
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RUS Comannder wrote: Let the tears flow, it is only a small tsunami. Don't just count the number of posts, look at where so many are coming from and the resources they have been handed by CCP in the past.
They are coming from all walks of EvE. Note how the last dev post in this thread has all of 1 like in support of these actions.
RUS Comannder wrote:Now without naming any benefitting entity from past CCP decisions, we will see who flames me and that will tell us who wants to re-direct the attention away from their CCP gift to whatever benfit Somer my realize. No flame. And where we want to direct the attention is the act of giving away spawned items and vouching for the integrity of a in-game player corporation. To the extent of "we grant this player corporation the right to ban other players from community events at their discretion" and promoting (some) players to breach the Terms of Service in an attempt to claim these prizes.
I cut out your irrelevant rambling about prize distribution and what Blink is or is not, because that's completely irrelevant to the issue. It's you who is trying to redirect attention from the real issue. Try again. |
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Posted - 2013.09.28 03:11:00 -
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Abditus Cularius wrote: No part of this is new behavior.
The part where CPP is openly stating "Blink is trustworthy. We trust them. You should too. Go give them some of your space money".
It doesn't even matter if it's true or not. The referee in a game of spies and intrigue has no place vouching for a player entity. |
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Posted - 2013.09.28 03:48:00 -
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Abditus Cularius wrote:Vald Tegor wrote:Abditus Cularius wrote: No part of this is new behavior.
The part where CCP is openly stating "Blink is trustworthy. We trust them. You should too. Go give them some of your space money". It doesn't even matter if it's true or not. The referee in a game of spies and intrigue has no place vouching for a player entity. Since you're apparently new to eve, here's a link where they told people to play BIG, and talked about when they gave BIG an Impoc, and then gave him more special edition ships to sell. Edit to clarify: I'm not saying it was wrong to acknowledge BIG's accomplishments, either. I missed that and never ran into BIG in game myself.
The big difference is "The BIG Lottery is non-profit, as every single ISK made on ticket sales is paid back out as prizes." Whereas Blink is a straight up business in direct competition with other such for-profit sites.
While handing out stuff in something that can be considered a fair manner is cool, I don't necessarily agree with using player organizations to distribute it. In all such cases this is EvE and sometimes people just take stuff in front of them because they can. (see recent red frog story). |
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