yep, awesome. the paintjob reminds me a bit of the terran faction of X 3 :D

A covert ops, exploration, drone ship is the ship I have been waiting for since I started playing.

A covert ops, exploration, drone ship is the ship I have been waiting for since I started playing.

Pilgrim...

Pilgrim...

Tusing: SOE ships are also battleships?
Ccp_bunnyvirus: maybe
Tusing: Were you responding to my battleship question?
Ccp_bunnyvirus: @tusing yes i wa

A covert ops, exploration, drone ship is the ship I have been waiting for since I started playing.

Just wondering what exactly the gnosis is going to do now.

Gnosis was a cheap BC given to everyone that was a jack of all trades but really sucked at a specific one. Also, I never knew Gnosis was a covops!

Anyone else think that, due to there only being 2 of these, they would be cooler as a destroyer and battle cruiser?

Very good points.

And now on to the next topic of discussion, what rats will drop these blueprints? Or will they be available in the SOE LP store?

Probably going to be LP store only, since to my knowledge there are no Sisters rats.

Maybe BPCs will be rare drops in some Data sites, similar to faction towers. That'd be interesting.

I love much of a ludicrous buff these ships will be to lowsec ganking. If they have more than 3 midslots, which is likely since they are designed as exploration ships, this will get pretty nuts pretty quickly.

[Edit: Looking at the cruiser's model, it sure looks like it has 6 turret hardpoints, so at least 6 highslots, probably 7. Minus one for the covops cloak tax, and one for the probe launcher, means 4-5 Medium Neutrons plus bonused drones. And with the likely prospect of 5 mids, this thing will easily have double web, double scram, and an afterburner, or full tackle plus ewar. Mwa ha ha!

Amazing news, they look gorgeous. they must have good features for solo pilots too. these along with only a few of all the ships in eve are the only worthy of being called spaceships based on their designs imo.

However, I don't think these will get as much use from lowsec ganking as would other specialized ships. Expect this thing to be crazy expensive (500 mill? 1 bill?). Using a cheaper T2 ship (Pilgrim, anyone?) for the explicit purpose of ganking and combat might be a better idea.

The ship might have a lot of slots, but I think we're letting our image of normal T2 recon ships cloud our vision. These, being T1 ships, will not have much in the way of tank (no natural resists), and for most people, will be too expensive to use for lowsec ganking.

They've even said these things are going to be pretty decently armor tanked. I mean, the Pilgrim tanks like **** but that's not why it's not used for things like this. It's mostly because the Pilgrim completely sucks. If this thing manages to have missile hardpoints, you might as well delete the Pilgrim from the game.

It's the fact that it will be a faction ship. A character with 3 months of skills could fly one of these and smoke people in lowsec.

That brings up a curious question, will this have it's own skill to fly? Or will they be an amalgamation of two other skills, pirate style?

Well, I don't think it will be that easy to fly. Think about it - it might not have any bonused turrets, etc.

I don't think the armor tank is something to worry about much. I have a feeling that this ship will be like the Nightmare - expensive, needing perfect skills to get some significant use out of it, and mediocre with so-so skills.

For lower-skilled (albeit wealthy) players, these ships will make wonderful exploration ships with attack capabilities as icing on the cake, but it won't be something to fear, really.

But in the hands of the perfectly skilled player, I can see this ship becoming formidable... and I'll enjoy the complexities and the solutions we come up to deal with them

You think so? This seems like it has more of the "Gnosis style" new player friendliness to me.

So, let's consider this then.

If it is in fact a pirate style ship, it will need two racial skills to fly, and will have 4 hull bonuses as a result.

Two of those are probing/hacking, and drones. Possibly probing and hacking will be split up and it will use 3 bonuses as a result.

What are the other one/two?

Tank, guns, or some ephemeral other.

Remember, cloak will be a bonus too! If they do have a weapons bonus, it might just be range/tracking rather than DPS.

Could be, cloak is usually baked into the ship class than it is skill based.

Idk, guess we will just have to wait til they release the particulars. I do still love that whole "6 turret slots" from the art asset though.

I love how these amazing looking ships are coming out before my B-day \(^^)/

At the very least, it should give small gangs a chance to escape super-large blobs and give some of us a fighting chance at the very least.

I never really understood why people have such an issue with blobs. I mean, if a super large blob, as you mentioned, is coming through space, chances are if your intel guys are awake that you have spotted them ten jumps out. Goonswarm, PL, and the like don't go anywhere without half the sector knowing about it, that's part of why hotdrops are used so much

Now if you are getting cyno'ed, then yeah I can understand that, but just a blob slowboating around? No one should get killed by that unless they jump you while you're on a gate. Local spikes? GTFO.

And for gatecamps, I have yet to be caught by a gatecamp while awake and sober. Fit for travel, ya'll.

That said, I can see cov ops cloaks proliferation being good for small gangs in general, I suppose. The ability to fit a decent amount of dps and not show up on d scan will catch many people by surprise.

Back when PL, Suddenly, and the others were in Syndicate (in our "home" system), staging for the Fountain war, they would often go around hotdropping every single small gang that they could. Then they would complain that Syndicate was "boring" because they didn't get any fights (read: no one wants to fight you when you blob and hotdrop every single thing).

I think what many blobs forget is that fights are not mere games of numbers. Fights are supposed to be fun, and challenging. If you simply try to dominate, without providing a challenge that is even remotely fun to engage, no one will want to fight you. People will just move to a different region where they can get actual fun, engaging fights, rather than trying to fight the same hotdropping blob all over again.
In blobs, it seems that most people lose track of this ideal. For many people, it becomes more of a fight over epeen rather than skill and fun.

And that's why I love this ship. It is not built for blobs, and it provides a dynamic combat alternative. It may lead more people to realize the fun of non-blob combat, and it'll be a dynamic ship - an interesting bag of tricks if you engage one. I have high hopes for this.

I love how they look like Aclubierre Drive concept ships

If it is in fact a pirate style ship, it will need two racial skills to fly, and will have 4 hull bonuses as a result.

Oh look, ANOTHER thread about SOE ships. Please guys, tell us how AWESOME those ships are!

Cloaky T3 will still be better

Wait until we get the stats, it can be ******.

Oh look, ANOTHER thread about SOE ships. Please guys, tell us how AWESOME those ships are!

Cloaky T3 will still be better

I love how they look like Aclubierre Drive concept ships

By extrapolating we can get a very basic idea about what kind of stats these ships will get.
We know that pirate ships get 15 slots, and drone ships always get -1.
We also know that pirate ships get about 150% the raw HP as there T1 counterpart.
As a armor based drone ship it would be best to assume the arbitrator as the T1 counterpart.
We know the bonuses are 4% to armor resistances per level of Amarr Cruiser and 10% drone damage and HP from Gallente Cruiser.
So other than power Grid and CPU we can get a basic idea.


SOE Cruiser

GÇó Role Bonus: 37.5% to scan probe strength 100% reduction of the CPU needs of Covert Ops Cloaking Device(total crap shoot on these)

GÇó Amarr Cruiser Skill Bonus:
+4% Armor Resistances per Level

GÇó Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus:
+10% Drone Damage and HP per Level

GÇó Slot layout: High 4, Med 4, Low 6 (or) High 4, Med 5, Low 5 / 2 turret and 2 launcher hardpoints
GÇó Fittings: 600MW, 350CPU
GÇó Defense (shields / armor / hull) :1650/2250/2400
GÇó Shield resists: 0EM/50EX/40KIN/20THE
GÇó Armor resists: 50EM/20EX/25KIN/35THE
GÇó Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : (Never been good at this one)
GÇó Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time):(or this one)
GÇó Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125Mbps/400
GÇó Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km/260mm/7
GÇó Sensor strength: 17(?)
GÇó Signature radius: 125m(?)

And I did know that during my thoughts on it, but it would not seem work to will with a 6/4/4 or 6/3/5 layout.

It might inherit Amarr's distaste for mids and a good armor tank, and come with a 6/3/5 layout. I wouldn't expect this ship to be a PvP beast, but should do well in exploration sites and sub 8/10 DED sites.

While that is true, IIRC it is supposed to get a virus strength bonus as well (updated my theory craft to fit) and while a 3 mid slot is doable for a exploration ship it is barely practical for an all in one exploration ship.

True. But a 6/4/4 layout would make for a rather weak armor tank unless it had +4% bonus from Amarr.

I think that 6/3/5 would work beautifully with the new module-exchanging POS thing. For the frigates, it looks like it might be 2/4/4 with a drone bay of 25 (or 50)?

They did say it will get the Amarr resistance bonus so that is a confirmed.

As far as frigates go, it is going be hard to theorize about. they have gotten rid of the drone bay expansion bonus from skills on most every ship and I would expect it to go away for the ishkur and worm. and no frigate has ever gotten the 10% damage bonus.

Oh look, ANOTHER thread about SOE ships. Please guys, tell us how AWESOME those ships are!

Cloaky T3 will still be better

I do still love that whole "6 turret slots" from the art asset though.

That said, I can see cov ops cloaks proliferation being good for small gangs in general, I suppose. The ability to fit a decent amount of dps and not show up on d scan will catch many people by surprise.

I love how they look like Aclubierre Drive concept ships

yep, awesome. the paintjob reminds me a bit of the terran faction of X 3 :D

umm..
wow guys.
usually, 6 hard points on a pic means it has 3 turrets/launchers (3 for each side) so it can show all 3 turrets in a firing arc firing together. a revalation has 6 visual turret hard points, but only 3 turrets. 3 on each side.

they said amarr/gallente skillz to fly.

they said it has drone bonuses from gallente (dunno if it gets the tracking of the new domi or just the damage) but they did say it got the amarr armor bonus. there are your 2 racial bonuses.
plus, they did say it was getting scan probe bonuses, so there is your "special" bonus.

i might remember something about hacking and data bonuses, but i am not sue. but they did say cov ops for sure. they did also say "ganking the ganker" which means it will have a bite.
and then something about a nun wagging her finger at you if you agress someone...lol

You guys gotta stop focusing on the turrets you see in the concept art.

First, apart from Frigs, all (combat) ships have all 8 hardpoints on the model.. It allows CCP to adjust the ship in any way they want without going back to the drawing board.. Most ships they are easily overlooked, but they are there.. Best example to see it right away is look at the Corax.
Additionally, some ships will have up to 3 visible points on a ship where just a single turret/launcher is represented. Just seeing a concept art doesn't tell you how many useful hardpoints it'll have or turret slots or anything.. Keep that in mind :)

I LOVE the look of this ship.. It is without a doubt the best looking ship in Eve imho.

Now on to what it does.. if you ask me it shouldn't get any scanning bonuses.. That should be covered by adding SOCT ships in game as another "pirate" class, just as they are doing with SOE now.. ala make a production version of the Gnosis.

Based on the concept art, and what SOE is somewhat supposed to do (be helpful and such).. Honestly, I think the ships other bonus should be LOGI.. A T1 Covops Logi that can potentially tank decently.. Just my thoughts.. I mean give it the stats to let it fit maybe 2-3 Large Shield Transporters ( or 3 Mediums with bonuses ), Cov Ops Cloak, and a Logi Drone bonus for it's drone bay (10% DPS, 10% Hitpoints, 10% Logi Effectiveness ).. would definitely make for a nice change to blackops warfare.. As atm the only Blackops Logi is 25-50bil isk Etana.. which is another way of saying not viable.


Oh and about the people talking about how OP this could be (with no ideal what it really is..) because of how easy it is to get into and all.. It's easy to get into a Vigilant too, and it'll eat most ships in it's class at close range.. The Cloak doesn't make it all powerful, as it will still have a targeting delay, and probably have to compromise the fit to make the cloak work..

I see no reason this ship would be any more op in lowsec gangs than a group of Vigilants, or Gilas.. A ship is rarely OP. A ship is as powerful as the skills you have.. Getting into a hull doesn't mean you have any cap skills, any defence skills, any drone skills, etc.

In any case, Love the design, hope the stats make me want to use it, and make it useful.

Sounds right but on a concept art (which may not be accurate) there are clearly 6 turret slots.

This... F*cking beautiful. They emit a sense of power and confidence, along with efficiency and sleekness.

Thats not an aclubierre drive concept ship, they don't have the slightest idea of how such a ship would look, and its all hype.

What was linked (and what someone else here also linked with the correct description), was a Vulcan ship from star trek (pre-federation era).
You seem to have gotten confused by some hype news story, that reported on the mental ************ of an aclubierre drive, and slapped on a picture from star trek because warp drive = star trek.

I see some statistics being posted earlier on the thread, were those official? I must have missed their release. I am curious why CCP didnt release the BS with the frigate and cruiser, its in the data, model and all SOE battleship.

So instead of nerfing AFK cloaking CCP now adds two more ships capable of ruining people's life in 0.0 with 0 risk while stealing their sites at the same time. ****.

So instead of nerfing AFK cloaking CCP now adds two more ships capable of ruining people's life in 0.0 with 0 risk while stealing their sites at the same time. ****.

so my myrmi has 6 turrets but the fitting screen sure doesnt think so...


anyway, love the new ships, love any excuse to use that cov-ops cloak. just one concern: the look. or rather how they look compared to other ships.

the ships look great, no denying. they just dont look like eve ships at all. could i be so bold as to suggest they are aware of the design themes in StarCitizen?

anyway the cruiser seems built off the stabber model, not sure about the frig, but both look more Caldari-ish than any Caldari ship currently in the game. Makes the other "clean block" ships in eve look almost childish in comparison. how for example, can you fly that SOE cruiser next to a moa or falcon or caracal and not think that your graphics card is malfunctioning? it would be like inserting a model from FarCry into minecraft or something...its just gonna look out of place. amarr ships currently suffer a little from being "too pretty" and as a result look like they belong in a different game. These SOE ships look so sleek and detailed... they just arent....EVE.

maybe once we get a graphics overhaul done to caldari ships they wont look like floating crayon drawings, and wont make other ships, like the SOE ones, seem so out of place.

not really complaining, as I love the look, i just hope that one day all eve ships can get that level of love and detail. ive said it before but most the ships in the game look half-assed and rushed. Lots poorly thought out designs that make no physical sense, textures that blur what little detail was in the original model... its strange when you see these in comparison.

no offense to the people that worked very hard on all EvEs ships...actually if you designed a cruiser, offense intended, i cant find one in the game that doesnt look like total crap...minus the stabber of course haha

I think that this is not really a combining of racial traits as you would find in traditional ships. The SoE philosophy is radically different from that of other races - a different look should be expected! And it does look unique and phenomenal.