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Cristl
Perkone Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:28:00 -
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...would that calm things down?
Often a company will provide goods for an auction, with the proceeds going to charity. I wonder if Somer Blink pledged to use some of their extra income from the unique ships to prepare a plex for good fund, we'd feel a bit less pissed off?
It could make good publicity in the future too ("internet nerds in charity drive" news articles for example). Better than the current publicity anyway  |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9103
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:30:00 -
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CCP hasn't done PLEX For Good since 2011. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
64
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:33:00 -
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Cristl wrote:...would that calm things down? Often a company will provide goods for an auction, with the proceeds going to charity. I wonder if Somer Blink pledged to use some of their extra income from the unique ships to prepare a plex for good fund, we'd feel a bit less pissed off? It could make good publicity in the future too ("internet nerds in charity drive" news articles for example). Better than the current publicity anyway  No, because selling something as a result of it results in more PR for them.
The only way to rectify this is to retract all favoritism towards them, and never mention them in any official channel ever again.
A good deal of damage has already been done. :-/ |

Tinman Spectacular
EVE University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.09.27 14:36:00 -
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No...
Why does Somer deserve the prestige of precious in-game resources. Somer gets exclusives, it drives up their customer base. Larger customer base increases long-term ISK gain as even more people become addicted to to their lottery. Doesn't matter if it's a Golden Banana or a 6-pack of Quafe, it's favoring an in-game corporation plain and simple.
Why not give my corporation a golden POS that prevents war-decs, since we're such a friendly new player corp driving up the subs? Remember how well that went down?
How about a golden hulk for Goons to auction off for Plex in the SA forums, it'll be un-targetable.
A Golden SBU to TEST that can be used to claim non-sov NPC space, auctioned off in Reddit.
I can go on... |

Cristl
Perkone Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:01:00 -
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Tinman Spectacular wrote:No...
Why does Somer deserve the prestige of precious in-game resources...
Please don't derail the argument. This isn't a discussion about whether CCP made a good call or if Somer deserved these gifts (obviously massive no's on both counts).
Given that a large event in Vegas has already been planned and booked, we're in damage limitation mode here.
I'm suggesting that Somer should voluntarily set aside some of the profits for this venture for a future plex-for-good initiative. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4692
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Posted - 2013.09.27 16:07:00 -
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Xaen wrote:Cristl wrote:...would that calm things down? Often a company will provide goods for an auction, with the proceeds going to charity. I wonder if Somer Blink pledged to use some of their extra income from the unique ships to prepare a plex for good fund, we'd feel a bit less pissed off? It could make good publicity in the future too ("internet nerds in charity drive" news articles for example). Better than the current publicity anyway  No, because selling something as a result of it results in more PR for them. The only way to rectify this is to retract all favoritism towards them, and never mention them in any official channel ever again. A good deal of damage has already been done. :-/ Considering that CCP started featuring important player run organizations prominently in Dev blogs some time ago, and has mention many worth while entities specifically to bring them to the attention of the player base, I doubt that is going to happen.
Lets not take this to the point where we cut off our nose to spite our face. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
537
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Posted - 2013.09.27 22:20:00 -
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Cristl wrote:Tinman Spectacular wrote:No...
Why does Somer deserve the prestige of precious in-game resources...
Please don't derail the argument. This isn't a discussion about whether CCP made a good call or if Somer deserved these gifts (obviously massive no's on both counts). Given that a large event in Vegas has already been planned and booked, we're in damage limitation mode here. I'm suggesting that Somer should voluntarily set aside some of the profits for this venture for a future plex-for-good initiative.
If flipping your middle finger to your entire non somer playerbase and hoping it all blows over is the plan, well I guess the next round of layoffs are on the way.
I value my time and financial contribution to eve through plex purchases. I take great offense to someone being given many times more than what my cash bought free because a biased dev thought its all good.
And we will make it very clear to the playerbase as to why they buying plex to trade for in game isk is a scam seeing as how somer is being givens billions or even trillions for free. |

Alt Two
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2013.09.27 22:24:00 -
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Cristl wrote:Tinman Spectacular wrote:No...
Why does Somer deserve the prestige of precious in-game resources...
Please don't derail the argument. This isn't a discussion about whether CCP made a good call or if Somer deserved these gifts (obviously massive no's on both counts). Given that a large event in Vegas has already been planned and booked, we're in damage limitation mode here. I'm suggesting that Somer should voluntarily set aside some of the profits for this venture for a future plex-for-good initiative. Your suggestion is to give Somer even more PR and traffic than they've already profited from this? Are you a somer alt by any chance? |

Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
38
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Posted - 2013.09.27 23:39:00 -
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I really don't see what the big deal is now. Or even before. Two more Gold ships/G-Vexors won't make that big of a difference. As I've already learned, most of these do not remain with their original owners anyway.
Somer already said they'll be giving all profits from the stuff they get from CCP to put towards the PvP tournament and prizes at EvE Vegas.
It's going directly back to the players.
Just too many people butt-hurt that they haven't done anything close to the effort Somer.Blink put in. And now Somer is just getting officially recognized. Hardly a problem. |

SpoonRECKLESS
LOGI R Us
44
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Posted - 2013.09.27 23:43:00 -
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Goons own Blink TIN FOILS HAT FOR EVERYONE HURHUR!!! I have many other theories as well who runs CCP, Its the United States Government. Iceland is an Island owned by the Military for testing and CCP funds them with the plexe sells.One day we will have space ships all thanks to CCP funds!!!! Blue
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2973
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Posted - 2013.09.27 23:46:00 -
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Cristl wrote:...would that calm things down?
LOL! Of course not. CCP could give every single player a free ship and there would still be threadnoughts of tears spilling all over the forum.
Look at the year end ship giveaways over the last decade for perfect examples.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
538
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Posted - 2013.09.28 01:11:00 -
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Its pretty funny how the powerless peons recognize they have no recourse so pretend to be fine with things as are. You don't look cool. You look like morons. Because this won't be a one off incident. And even if it were its completely unethical.
If this becomes a once a month thing exclusively for large groups that neither of you pissants are apart of will you be okay with it?
Goons could easily have gifts showered upon them if they threatened to mass unsub and tear EVES reputation down online through sheer inundation of negative criticism would you be okay with having to fight that conglomerate with trillions in free stuff being awarded to them?
Of course you wouldn't.
But you are idiotic enough to condone the actions that will lead to that. |

Swidgen
Republic University Minmatar Republic
108
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Posted - 2013.09.28 02:08:00 -
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Alt Two wrote:Your suggestion is to give Somer even more PR and traffic than they've already profited from this? Are you a somer alt by any chance? Seems likely. I don't know for sure, but if somer wanted to send out a shill casting about for damage control tactics, what the OP suggests is exactly what they would do. Astroturfing also comes to mind. It's trying a bit too hard to appear reasoned and serious. If not alt/shill then definitely fanboi. |

destiny2
Abh Academy Abh Alliance
167
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Posted - 2013.09.28 03:30:00 -
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This is the first time i heard about CCP giveing a alliance, or whatever trillions of isk. but then again, i dont come around to often on the fourms. some of you should vent while doing something else, rather then acting like noobs on the fourms. |

Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
539
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Posted - 2013.09.28 04:09:00 -
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Swidgen wrote:Alt Two wrote:Your suggestion is to give Somer even more PR and traffic than they've already profited from this? Are you a somer alt by any chance? Seems likely. I don't know for sure, but if somer wanted to send out a shill casting about for damage control tactics, what the OP suggests is exactly what they would do. Astroturfing also comes to mind. It's trying a bit too hard to appear reasoned and serious. If not alt/shill then definitely fanboi.
Astroturfing the act of creating a small organization and making it appear to represent something popular for the purpose of promoting a particular entity, cause, etc. (a play on grassroots in the sense of a popular movement originating among the common people, ultimately from AstroTurf, a brand of artificial grass)
The practice of astroturfing a widely used form of propaganda, as evidenced by the media coverage it receives.
"Astroturfing" is the act of trying to boost one's image online with fake comments, paid-for reviews, made-up claims and testimonials.
a form of propaganda whose techniques usually consist of a few people attempting to give the impression that mass numbers of enthusiasts advocate some specific cause. This is often done by conjuring up a phony organization(s) that never existed.
The process to apply a faux patch of hair on and around various body parts( such as the face, chest and genitalia) by pre-pubescent boys and girls in order to make themselves appear older than their actual age.   |

Cristl
Perkone Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2013.12.08 17:49:00 -
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Apologies in advance for a little 'self-necro' 
I just read that Somer Blink donated 4000 PLEX towards the charity drive. That's a decent thing to do, so I'd like to acknowledge the gesture here. That is a significant figure. BRAVO
Also, I was busy when I originally posted this thread, and perhaps didn't spend enough time to fully respond to my critics; on review I feel obliged to call out "Alt two" and "Swidgen" for being cunts: I have no affiliation in the slightest towards Somer Blink, and generally disapprove of gambling (although lotteries seem like the least disruptive form of gambling to me). It's good to have learned this meaning of 'astroturfing' though, i guess. |

ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate
2735
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Posted - 2013.12.08 18:07:00 -
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Cristl wrote:Apologies in advance for a little 'self-necro'  This doesn't sound dodgy at all Dodixie > Hek |

LittleTerror
Beer and Kebabs
122
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Posted - 2013.12.08 19:57:00 -
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Cristl wrote:...would that calm things down? Often a company will provide goods for an auction, with the proceeds going to charity. I wonder if Somer Blink pledged to use some of their extra income from the unique ships to prepare a plex for good fund, we'd feel a bit less pissed off? It could make good publicity in the future too ("internet nerds in charity drive" news articles for example). Better than the current publicity anyway 
Somer Blink is one of the reasons I want to be able to dock and leave my pod and shoot people in stations... |

Nanatoa
475
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Posted - 2013.12.08 23:27:00 -
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Cristl wrote:I just read that Somer Blink donated 4000 PLEX towards the charity drive.
That's awesome. About 1% of those PLEX is probably paid for by the 16B they scammed from me. "Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
41
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Posted - 2013.12.08 23:29:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:...they scammed from me.
How did they scam from you?
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
853
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Posted - 2013.12.08 23:40:00 -
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That "gate" crap in the US's scandal-naming-convention is about the dumbest crap our media ever came up with besides "every firearm is an AR-15, and every dog attack is done by pit bulls"... it really needs to stop.
It's not clever. It's not unique. It's not cheeky, funny, or hip. It's stupid. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6754
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Posted - 2013.12.09 00:19:00 -
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It's basically a form of shorthand. A lot easier to say Somergate than "the somer blink scandal" and people know what you're talking about. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2349
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Posted - 2013.12.09 01:02:00 -
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4000 PLEXes, eh? SOMER confirmed for saviour of EVE Online! That's $60k, 2some 2.5 trillion ISK.
Now it's clear how SOMER bought CCP's compliance. Oh, wait. Is there a source for that? Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |

Opia Munba
mss industry
20
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Posted - 2013.12.09 11:33:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote: Just too many people butt-hurt that they haven't done anything close to the effort Somer.Blink put in. A Somer was getting officially recognized by making a real life profit that was at the time outside of the EULA and went unpunished. Hardly a problem. Fixed your poast |

Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1327
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Posted - 2013.12.09 11:43:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:That "gate" crap in the US's scandal-naming-convention is about the dumbest crap our media ever came up with besides "every firearm is an AR-15, and every dog attack is done by pit bulls"... it really needs to stop.
It's not clever. It's not unique. It's not cheeky, funny, or hip. It's stupid.
Stupidgate High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
1990
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Posted - 2013.12.09 15:31:00 -
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If Somer does try to do something nice, people will rush to be the first to start a "Somer Blink damage control attempt!" thread. They ought to just do some charity anyway, if they want to. They way they quietly did before all of this pitchforks and torches brouhaha.
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The Legendary Soldier
Jovian Innovations
332
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Posted - 2013.12.09 19:01:00 -
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Cristl wrote:...would that calm things down?
no Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread |

Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
106
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Posted - 2013.12.09 20:26:00 -
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I think this really shows just how scummy SOMER really is.
If you want to give charity, give it for the sake of charity alone.
You shouldn't do charity as a form of damage control. That's pathetic. It implies that they wouldn't give charity at all if they didn't have an incredibly negative image associated with them at the moment. |

Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
256
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Posted - 2013.12.09 23:30:00 -
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Cristl wrote:...would that calm things down? Often a company will provide goods for an auction, with the proceeds going to charity. I wonder if Somer Blink pledged to use some of their extra income from the unique ships to prepare a plex for good fund, we'd feel a bit less pissed off? It could make good publicity in the future too ("internet nerds in charity drive" news articles for example). Better than the current publicity anyway 
No.
Somer Blink is an in-game entity which has been used to create real-world profit, and is therefore in violation of the EULA for using game accounts for business purposes.
Donating to a good cause does not negate a blatant rules violation which would have earned anyone else an immediate lifetime ban. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |

Nanatoa
480
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Posted - 2013.12.09 23:38:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Nanatoa wrote:...they scammed from me. How did they scam from you?
A bait and switch scam. Check my posts in their thread for more info. "Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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