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E man Industries SeaChell Productions 115	Posted - 2011.10.31 14:36:00 - [1] - Quote EvE can be scary alone and I just replayed through the tutorials, and was amazed that there was nothing to encourage people to fleet up and make friends. So wanted to ask newer players As a new polayer did you ever join any fleets? Would joining a fleet help you? Do you feel it would have been more fun to play? I imagine a tutorial mission that directs you to a fleet that is based in the stating zones to sort of group up, maybe fly some missions together. All starting zones should have these standing fleets that are always advertized and once full a new one is created. Learning eve iwth someone else is more fun and easier. Would like to hear from newer players on what their experiances where. I have actually Un-subbed my acounts, We need more to do, not more to wear. E-mail me when CCP has decent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term goals.
Schmata Bastanold Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2011.10.31 14:45:00 - [2] - Quote Joining a corp and flying in fleets probably would make my Eve life easier. At least that is what vets are saying. But I am stubborn little brat and prefer to do it hard way. Some will say it is stupid, some will try to take advantage of me being alone in their sector... All I can say to such people is: my $ my game, **** you very much. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery 227	Posted - 2011.10.31 14:49:00 - [3] - Quote E man Industries wrote: EvE can be scary alone and I just replayed through the tutorials, and was amazed that there was nothing to encourage people to fleet up and make friends You didn't read the tutorial texts, then. In several places, in the military, advanced military and SOE epic arc missions, it suggests you fleet up with friends. Several of the SOE arc missions are deliberately hard AND suggest doing it. Arnon (the SOE system) is full of people asking for help and getting it. The only way of making it easier is to somehow force people to have better social skills. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
Mr Chili Palmer New Dawn Initiative 0	Posted - 2011.10.31 15:12:00 - [4] - Quote at the moment i am new to the game 17 days play. i have joined a nice friendly corp but they are usa peeps and i am in the uk so to play with them i have to stay up very late, i used to play wow and solo'd my way through that, at the moment in eve i feel like a solo player even though i am in a corp all the help i het is from the help channel and reading various stuff. i work in real life so late nights are limited.
Chal0ner Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 9	Posted - 2011.10.31 15:31:00 - [5] - Quote I know the feeling. I was in a US based corp earlier, which was very friendly - although most people got on rather lateish, so it was somewhat lonely. If you are cool with that, fine, I'd change corps however. And timezone of corp members are definately one thing one should ask about before joining a new corp.
Velicitia Open Designs 36	Posted - 2011.10.31 15:48:00 - [6] - Quote Mr Chili Palmer wrote: at the moment i am new to the game 17 days play. i have joined a nice friendly corp but they are usa peeps and i am in the uk so to play with them i have to stay up very late, i used to play wow and solo'd my way through that, at the moment in eve i feel like a solo player even though i am in a corp all the help i het is from the help channel and reading various stuff. i work in real life so late nights are limited. I would recommend leaving your primarily US-based corp, and look for one that is UK- or EU-based.
Mr Chili Palmer New Dawn Initiative 0	Posted - 2011.10.31 23:53:00 - [7] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Mr Chili Palmer wrote: at the moment i am new to the game 17 days play. i have joined a nice friendly corp but they are usa peeps and i am in the uk so to play with them i have to stay up very late, i used to play wow and solo'd my way through that, at the moment in eve i feel like a solo player even though i am in a corp all the help i het is from the help channel and reading various stuff. i work in real life so late nights are limited. I would recommend leaving your primarily US-based corp, and look for one that is UK- or EU-based. i know what you are saying, it will be for the best in the long run.
Cunane Jeran 23	Posted - 2011.11.01 14:31:00 - [8] - Quote I'm not new by any means but I'll chime in, being in the newbie corp (though not for much longer I'm sorry to add) I've been fleeting with newer players, generally running lv2-3 missions with them while they are picking up the ropes, helping them on fittings, as well and letting them tag along on lv4 missions for the experience. Generally I've found that it not only helps the newer players out but generally creates a good atmosphere and really helps them in the long run.
Lutz Major Austriae Est Imperare Orbi Universo 26	Posted - 2011.11.01 18:30:00 - [9] - Quote E man Industries wrote: So wanted to ask newer players As a new polayer did you ever join any fleets? Would joining a fleet help you? Do you feel it would have been more fun to play? I play EVE now for 2 and a half years and I've been in maybe five or six fleets ... ... I'm sure I miss a lot of fun To all newbs (or not so newbs): join others and have fun! It's the purpose of a game.
Schmata Bastanold Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2011.11.01 21:50:00 - [10] - Quote Lutz Major wrote: To all newbs (or not so newbs): join others and have fun! It's the purpose of a game. have fun and maybe, if you feel like it, join others. cooperation is not a purpose or great design of the game. "you can be whoever you want to be" is a message I read in ads of EVE not "be a part of a crowd". if I think I can manage on my own **** you if you want to tell me otherwise. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold

Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 8	Posted - 2011.11.02 21:30:00 - [11] - Quote I was in a fleet when I first ventured into low-sec, I was in fleets when I learned then basics to move around there (safespots, d-scan,etc.), so yes, for me it was quite useful. There IS safety in numbers after all, or at least the belief.... Unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Kaylen Vimanis The Xenodus Initiative. ORPHANS OF EVE 1	Posted - 2011.11.03 01:04:00 - [12] - Quote I joined a friend in a nullsec alliance when i first played, and tbh i didn't think anything of it because i didn't know any better. Did that for a year or so, learnt a lot, then decided to carebear for ages and have only recently got back into pvp. They're right about joining fleets and corps however; it's not just about joining any fleet/corp, it's about joining ones with people who will give you the time and instruction that you need to be of use to your fleet & corporation. In time flying with people will help you network, and soon enough you'll be in a group of players in whom you will trust, and in turn will trust you. There are alliances out there that will give you the time and train you in how to be an asset to the fleet, EVE Uni springs to mind.
Pinaculus Aliastra Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2011.11.03 05:18:00 - [13] - Quote Not a new player, but I remember my newbie time well. To be honest, if I didn't like Sci-Fi so much, or if I had other viable options for a space based MMO, I would have quit EVE long ago. That being said, the game has improved immensely since I first started. The two giant features that have improved my experience most are wormholes and Incursions. I never fleeted with another person before these were added, and was incredibly bored. Now that they're here I find EVE to be a completely different game! After wormholes I joined a WH corp and moved in. Wormholes are very isolated places, and when you go in it can be very difficult to get back out. You >will< become much closer with whoever you're in there with, if only because there's not much else to do besides talk to them. Incursions, on the other hand, have proven to be an amazing Meet & Greet experience. I fly out to the nearest one and find a random fleet, but after a few you start recognizing names and learning who's got their stuff together and who doesn't. You get on voice and chit chat between sites. It's been loads of fun. That being said, I feel it's necessary to attach a disclaimer to my experiences. This is EVE. Wherever you go, some griefer will probably find you. Eventually, someone's going to steal your stuff from the PoS, bankrupt your corp, get you Concorded, can-flip you, or some other unpleasant business. Take it on the chin and move on. This is EVE. Without jerkwads, friendly people have no relative value.
Akina Damaar Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.11.03 16:03:00 - [14] - Quote I have had an on-off relation with EVE since Dec 2004 and I haven't been in a single fleet yet. This game makes me sadly completly paranoid. I don't dare to join somebody else simply because I can't be sure I know all the technical issues that might open me up for agression from other fleet members (= attack me without Concorde interfering). There have been cases when some other pilot was asking for help with a missions (in a friendly way) and the only reason why I didn't react was not being sure how it even works in the first place. And this is not a troll post. Rather a sad one from a pretty disullusioned EVE palyer about EVE's community and all the griefing going on.
Dervinus Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 9	Posted - 2011.11.03 16:50:00 - [15] - Quote Akina Damaar wrote: I have had an on-off relation with EVE since Dec 2004 and I haven't been in a single fleet yet. This game makes me sadly completly paranoid. I don't dare to join somebody else simply because I can't be sure I know all the technical issues that might open me up for agression from other fleet members (= attack me without Concorde interfering). There have been cases when some other pilot was asking for help with a missions (in a friendly way) and the only reason why I didn't react was not being sure how it even works in the first place. And this is not a troll post. Rather a sad one from a pretty disullusioned EVE player about EVE's community and all the griefing going on. Wow, Just wow. What exactly do you do in Eve, if you have been playing since 2004 and have NEVER been in a fleet??? Why would you ever continue playing this game? And just so you know, I would say that 90% of the players in Eve are actually cool people who are not going to try to scam you at first sight. If you are friendly and ask questions politely, most people will take the time to help you out. How are you ever going to actually learn the mechanics of aggression unless you join a fleet and do something??? (By the way, fleet members cannot shoot you without Concord intervention - so you are safe. The ONLY people who can shoot you without Concord intervention in high-sec are members of your Corporation (unless you are in an NPC corp).) If you took 5 minutes to look this up, you might not have spent 7 years in fear of losing your ship,. - Also, why would you fear losing a ship? I lose at least 1 ship a day and usually get podded 1-2 times a day. Its fun, it doesnt make a difference! Its not like the game ends when you die!!!
RomeStar Ubuntu Inc. Lonely Maple Conglomeration 3	Posted - 2011.11.11 21:02:00 - [16] - Quote Akina Damaar wrote: I have had an on-off relation with EVE since Dec 2004 and I haven't been in a single fleet yet. This game makes me sadly completly paranoid. I don't dare to join somebody else simply because I can't be sure I know all the technical issues that might open me up for agression from other fleet members (= attack me without Concorde interfering). There have been cases when some other pilot was asking for help with a missions (in a friendly way) and the only reason why I didn't react was not being sure how it even works in the first place. And this is not a troll post. Rather a sad one from a pretty disullusioned EVE player about EVE's community and all the griefing going on. Be cautious with fleet invites from random players especially in null sec. Its alot easier to warp in on you then leave fleet then pod your ass not that I have done that before but just saying. Actually the best part is pretending to help some random noob who is missioning in lowsec and wait untill such noob has npc aggro and leave fleet then snipe him/her from 80k away with some nice cruise missles, just saying. EVE brings out the worst in us.
Ninyania alCladdyth Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.11.11 21:30:00 - [17] - Quote RomeStar wrote: [e cautious with fleet invites from random players especially in null sec. Its alot easier to warp in on you then leave fleet then pod your ass not that I have done that before but just saying. Actually the best part is pretending to help some random noob who is missioning in lowsec and wait untill such noob has npc aggro and leave fleet then snipe him/her from 80k away with some nice cruise missles, just saying. Hence why I have zero interest in joining a corp/fleet, nor any interest in low-sec / null-sec / WHs. For me, the reward (pixel money) isn't worth the risk (my time lost due to PVPer asshattery)
Jack Carrigan Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order 212	Posted - 2011.11.13 16:33:00 - [18] - Quote I'm not a new player by any means, but I can look back that far still. I found it useful when I was still flying a frigate/destroyer with a ***fit because I had no idea what I was doing, mainly fitting from rat loot that I found to join fleets and run the deadspace complexes in high sec. Made a few friends, had a few laughs. You just have to be careful, because some people will utilize fleet mechanics to rip you off. So with that, fleets can be fun and useful, but also with any group of people, has its own inherent risks. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives."*
Ariane VoxDei 12	Posted - 2011.11.13 18:08:00 - [19] - Quote E man Industries wrote: As a new polayer did you ever join any fleets? Would joining a fleet help you? Do you feel it would have been more fun to play? I'm halfold (a mere 2006 stripling to the real vets), but anyway: Yes, i joined fleets. Not frequently, but nagged for them and enjoyed them. Yes, joining fleets helped. Helped accomlish things, earn money and more importantly, experience and getting to meet other people/spaceships in a nonparanoid situation. Yes, i would have enjoyed more fleets. More specifically, I flew in mining ops (both as a puny miner and as a hauler), in awe of the craploads the old ones pulled in battleships and barges (no, they didnt undock exhumers for us). I piggybacked on L4 missions in a caracal, on antifrig duty. You should try it, its good stuff and these days concord get really upset if you shoot your fleet members in highsec. Back then they viewed that a bit differently (giving donuts more priority). Also fleets, that is to say small gangs, happen all the time near Arnon, as doing the L1 epic arc there is usually too much for the inexperienced and those low on SP on their own. If you mission, and until you can run L4 efficiently on your own, fleet up with someone. Specially for L2-L4. Mining should always be gone in gangs. For bonus, for the chatter, for less can flipping, for better chance to get to know someone who can refine at no loss.
Khanh'rhh Sudden Buggery 303	Posted - 2011.11.14 13:24:00 - [20] - Quote Akina Damaar wrote: I have had an on-off relation with EVE since Dec 2004 and I haven't been in a single fleet yet. This game makes me sadly completly paranoid. I don't dare to join somebody else simply because I can't be sure I know all the technical issues that might open me up for agression from other fleet members (= attack me without Concorde interfering). There have been cases when some other pilot was asking for help with a missions (in a friendly way) and the only reason why I didn't react was not being sure how it even works in the first place. And this is not a troll post. Rather a sad one from a pretty disullusioned EVE player about EVE's community and all the griefing going on. It's simple. There is only ONE change to aggression mechanics when in a fleet; looting the wrecks of fleet mates DOES NOT aggress them to you. It's not nuanced, it's simple. It's actually safer (unless the person just needs to know where you are ... in which case NOT being in a fleet doesn't make you safe) - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's



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