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Severe McCald
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Posted - 2003.08.25 14:35:00 -
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Having read a number of posts about how great these birds were, I recently had the chance to find out. Unfortunately, by being attacked by one!
I was cruising along in my Osprey (I only fly Caldari, I can't afford a BS and I like drones and cargo space), returning from an agent mission, when I notice a threat window; only yellow. So I check out the threat and find this unter-pirate (neg. sec of -9.9, but bounty of 5000 isk. Yes, I mean 5000 isk!). This guy must have spent his time killing noob ships or someone equally poor. Who would post a bounty of 5000 isk? But anyway, I thought, I know he's in a Blackbird, but 5000 isk! Sh1t, I'll risk it. So I continue towards the gate and get the message: "This ******* is attempting to warp scramble etc,".
Ahhh! Should I hit the Warp Stabiliser and run? But, 5000 isk!!!!! Sod it. I launched my Warrior drones (light scouts - not yet ready with the heavies), target lock (hey, he hasn't used a weapon disrupter or other ECM device to stop me) and commence firing. The Blackbird damage is mounting, no returning fire (WTF is he up to). Suddenly I see a Torpedo in my threat window - yellow. Whats this? No sign of a missile icon, yellow, has he got a partner called Torpedo? Suddenly wake up to the fact that I am under torpedo attack (well it was late) and hit my smart bomb, too late, my shields are down! Kahboom! Smart bomb goes off, two seconds later @sshole (down to about 75% of icon, guess maybe 30% armour and 70% structure left) goes off too. Whew, 7.5% damage to armour! A very nasty scratch.
So I emailed @sshole and thanked him for livening up my evening. He replied that I hadn't killed him and that I was lucky (I suspect English was not his first language). He went on to say that he was not familiar with torpedoes and the first (of the six that he had launched) had obviously destroyed the others. He was also, obviously, not familiar with smartbombs.
In a way he was right - I only saw one torpedo threat and my smartbomb must have killed the others - plus, I ran into @sshole and not someone who knew what to do with a Blackbird. Anyway, apart from sharing my experience, just a reminder that the singer is at least as important as the song.
SM
And Moses was content to dwell with the man:and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter. And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom:for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land. |
Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.08.25 15:11:00 -
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hmf
The BB is still the best cruiser out there so long as the pilot isn't mentally handicapped. (;
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.08.25 15:12:00 -
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You are a very lucky laddie.
If you tried this on a well prepared bb, you would have got a nasty shock, a bb can lock you down, warp scramble and status web you no probs.
The only problem the bb has is its lack of punch, with all this ecm equipment working away its hard to do alot of dmg.
Its more of a support ship (imo).
A bb fitted with only ecm modules working along with a moa or other heavy cruiser can do alot of damage.
Well done for having a go though, alot op player (sometimes me included, run at the first sign of a threat window, never mind a -9.9).
not sure about the torpedoes though, iv heard they are meant to be very poor:).
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Severe McCald
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Posted - 2003.08.25 15:21:00 -
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I was not suggesting that the bb isn't a good cruiser. I was reporting, what I thought was a funny story. @sshole was still in his noob corp. and 5000 isk bounty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If I had seen a serious bounty or a serious pirate corp. I wouldn't have gone close enough for the guy to warp scramble me (or would have used the stabiliser).
On a side issue, has anyone else had experience of torpedo attack? Is it normal for them to appear with a yellow threat icon?
SM
And Moses was content to dwell with the man:and he gave Moses Zipporah his daughter. And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom:for he said, I have been a stranger in a strange land. |
Crimson Rose
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Posted - 2003.08.25 15:41:00 -
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I can't say names. But this one guy destroyed a frig I was in. I am skilled for higher ships but didn't want to risk it in m0o territory. I didn't make it when I ran into a Thorax. Which proceeded to destroy my ship. I got away in my pod and waited a week and went back in my blackbird. I fained "oh no, not again!" Well, I wish I would of had better weapons loaded out. I got him scrambled, webbed and ecm'd. But I could only get his armor half way down before he was able to jump through the gate. (he fired on me first so he couldn't jump for about 60 seconds) During that time, he was asking me how much I wanted! I said I wanted nothing but his ass! But he got away. I will hunt him down another time. Only thing blackbird lacks is fire power. But if you are caught at a belt, planet, or far enough from a gate. You can kiss your butt goodbye. :)
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.25 16:38:00 -
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"The BB is still the best cruiser out there so long as the pilot isn't mentally handicapped. (;"
Best for solo pirating. Although, any one bb loadout can be beaten by a moa, as long as you know the bb loadout ahead of time.
But in a fleet of like 30 ships vs 30 ships... would you really want your whole fleet to only be bb's? I would think mixing EW boats and gunboats would do better.
An EW bb has precious little defence and will be dismantled in short order by a gunboat who is not locked.
Meanwhile, EW bb's aren't exactly the most lethal ship out there in terms of damage.
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Ad'rena
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Posted - 2003.08.25 16:41:00 -
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i remember back in the old days when i was using rockets.. they allways showd up on the threat screen as torpedos.. |
Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2003.08.25 21:23:00 -
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30 BB's properly equipped could come very close to taking out 30 bships. It would all come down to the maneuverability of the bships.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.08.25 21:45:00 -
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im too sure about that comment.
a battleship took out my npc hunting moa in 10 seconds!!! a while back.
I like using my bb, but i know that when i have my medium slots filled with ecm, my bb is very soft.
A couple of scensor boosters and the bb will be in serious trouble:)
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2003.08.25 23:07:00 -
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Yeah it would never work...
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Liscia Thierese
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Posted - 2003.08.26 00:22:00 -
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SM,
As I explained to another poster in another thread, purchasing x ship does not a good PvP player make. I suspect this was yet another n00b (rather than 'newbie'), who read one to many articles about Blackbirds and readily assumed that purchase of the ship automatically confers 'bad ass' status.
Must have been a terrible shock for said player to have his swaggering 'bad ass' status well and truly, shot down in flames.
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.08.26 02:57:00 -
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So you're saying that a Moa can beat a BB if it knows its loadout beforehand?
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Isn't that true for just about any two ships?
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.08.26 11:12:00 -
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a blackbird (imo) should be fitted out with ecm equipment "only" and leave the shooting to other ships, maybe at the most a couple of launchers.
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Shadow Walker
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Posted - 2003.08.26 12:19:00 -
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1 BB could easyily jam a Bs until help arrives, ive done it before, also i think this is notable, i heard a story where 2 vigils completly locked down a BS for liek 3 minutes or mabye even longer, until the big guns showed up and gave him whats his, though if it was 2 Griffins it would have worked better, tho it shows tou the power of EW.
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Shadow Walker
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Posted - 2003.08.26 12:22:00 -
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oya, 3x ECM(depending upon Ship time i.e, ION, white nose etc.) 1xweb, 1xwarp, 1x passive targeter or med booster, which isnt really nessicary, plus 3xnosuferats and a missle launcher is a good setup for a BB for you can completely jam him, suck his cap and wait for your gang members to come finish him.
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Shadow Walker
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Posted - 2003.08.26 12:22:00 -
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but ofcoarse you cannot be a newbie.
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.08.26 13:59:00 -
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The BB's main strenghs are in it's ECM and missiles. If you can't run torps or cruise missiles, then you can't deal any significant damage. Turrets drain the cap too much, and don't inflict enough damage.
If the BB locks you down and proceeds to slowly eat away at you with Torps and Cruise missiles then you're a goner
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.08.26 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Shock on 26/08/2003 16:13:38
It's a fact that too many people in ships like Moas don't care much for ECCM, because if they would, a Blackbird is easily countered.
And for capdraining equipment: the range for those are very limited, you will just have keep at a distance or hope you can run better at low cap then the Blackbird. Quote:
30 BB's properly equipped could come very close to taking out 30 bships. It would all come down to the maneuverability of the bships
Uh yoiu serious? Maneuverabilty? Anyway if 30 Blackbirds encounter 30 Battleships inreality the battleships will ALWAYS win. Two reasons, the lag created will mean that the sturdier vessels have the advantage. Secondly unless the Blackbirds are directed by some divine hand, it's very likely 1 to 5 battleships wont be locked down. Which will result in 1 to 5 dead Blackbirds the next ten seconds, which results in more free battleships which results in more Blackbirds dropping like flies. I think at this rate the entire battle would take 1 minut at most (not minding lag ofcourse).
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.08.26 17:05:00 -
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Quote:
30 BB's properly equipped could come very close to taking out 30 bships. It would all come down to the maneuverability of the bships.
LMAO. I'd be surprised if more than 3 battleships goes down before all the blackbirds are dead.
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Zell
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Posted - 2003.08.26 17:09:00 -
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If 30 blackbirds could take down 30 battleships, then they would'nt be crusiers now would they? 
Why don't you compare ibis's vs mookidds while your at it.
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celtic hammer
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Posted - 2003.08.26 18:47:00 -
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I wouldnt say the bb is such a good cruiser on its own, i took 3 out without much problems and all of em were without backup or support. Just launch a few hvy missiles or cruise missiles at em and they go kaboom real fast. The only usefull way for a bb to deployed is in a group of other cruisers as ew ship.
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celtic hammer
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Posted - 2003.08.26 18:47:00 -
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I wouldnt say the bb is such a good cruiser on its own, i took 3 out without much problems and all of em were without backup or support. Just launch a few hvy missiles or cruise missiles at em and they go kaboom real fast. The only usefull way for a bb to deployed is in a group of other cruisers as ew ship.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2003.08.27 00:47:00 -
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Quote:
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30 BB's properly equipped could come very close to taking out 30 bships. It would all come down to the maneuverability of the bships.
LMAO. I'd be surprised if more than 3 battleships goes down before all the blackbirds are dead.
It's easy for you to laugh, since such forces will never meet. But 10 BB's should be able to easily take out 5 or 6 bships. It would just take a well trained group of players. And worst case scenario the BB owners are out 20 million. But if they take out one bship the opponent is out atleast 50 million. I like those odds. It would work well for a long drawn out corp war. One corp could afford to lose big battles and still replace all their ships, the other corp would probably have problems replacing battleships every day. Sadly, its hard to find a group of good players willing to try out such a theory. I have personally kept one battleship locked down for 45 minutes. 1 blackbird can't get through the shields, but a group of them target firing, would have no problems. Also due to the current bugs in the game, a cruiser is guaranteed to target a bship first. (and yes I've already figured in the fact that some of the bships would have eccms)
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.08.27 09:52:00 -
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shamis.
With the right kind of skills, a blackbird can take down a battleship, its not easy though.
Medium slots 3 ecm 1 web and 1 warp scrambler.
And 1 medium capacitor.
High slots are always going to be your main problem,
heavy or cruise missiles could be a good option. 15 mins spent with 1 battleships should be long enough to take it out. (remember to fill your cargo hold with them).
The problem is not knowing what ships are fitted with, you really need to pick your type of ship that you are going to attack.
Its not easy, but i would like to know if anyone has taken a battleship down with a BB.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2003.08.27 10:53:00 -
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I'm sure somebody has taken out a battleship in a blackbird. It is very difficult though. My argument is that when it is x blackbirs vs y bships, all x blackbirds focus fire on 1 bship at a time. So killing them issn't that hard. And just for the record I think ecms's are the wrong way to go, you need 4 multispectral unless you know your enemy, which is too much to sustain on a blackbird without wasting precious slots on cap batteries. There is a better way.
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Gushi
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Posted - 2003.08.27 15:21:00 -
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Blackbird w/3x h-50 launchers, 1x 250rail, 2x stasis webifiers and 2x warp disruptors after the missle fix in the next patch = owned
Take what ya kin... Gives nothin back!!!
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.27 15:33:00 -
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My current Moa setup would annhilate such a blackbird. ;)
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.08.27 16:50:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: Shock on 26/08/2003 16:13:38
It's a fact that too many people in ships like Moas don't care much for ECCM, because if they would, a Blackbird is easily countered.
And for capdraining equipment: the range for those are very limited, you will just have keep at a distance or hope you can run better at low cap then the Blackbird. Quote:
30 BB's properly equipped could come very close to taking out 30 bships. It would all come down to the maneuverability of the bships
Uh yoiu serious? Maneuverabilty? Anyway if 30 Blackbirds encounter 30 Battleships inreality the battleships will ALWAYS win. Two reasons, the lag created will mean that the sturdier vessels have the advantage. Secondly unless the Blackbirds are directed by some divine hand, it's very likely 1 to 5 battleships wont be locked down. Which will result in 1 to 5 dead Blackbirds the next ten seconds, which results in more free battleships which results in more Blackbirds dropping like flies. I think at this rate the entire battle would take 1 minut at most (not minding lag ofcourse).
NO, ECCM IS NOT THE REAL COUNTER FOR ECM, simply example: you need AT LEAST 2 sensor booster to counter 1 sensor damper, there's even MANY med slot moduals don't have any proper counter. and THE COUNTERS FOR MED SLOT MODUALS ARE MED SLOT MODUALS TOO. that's why scorpion and blackbird are overpowered.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2003.08.27 20:49:00 -
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Shhh.
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Ordo Abchao
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Posted - 2003.08.29 07:02:00 -
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I can't say that i've seen a bb take down a bs, but 2 nearly took out 1 apoc and 2 maullers. I've also seem one ill equipped thorax almost take out a mega. |
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