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Julia Reave
J-Systems
28
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Posted - 2013.09.28 17:28:00 -
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Actually, KuroVolt, you have a point.
I carefully thought about my wording before not wanting it to appear like that.
The post you quoted came together as an answer to several people who have asked me why I am shooting the monument as something I can point them to.
So naturally, it has been written from a personal point of view.
Neither do I mean to be a leading figure in any of this - what is there to lead anyway? - nor do I care to "shine" by doing this.
People who would like to voice a certain opinion through symbolic means can come and shoot the monument, they don't need me or have to interact with me at all. They can shoot it without me even being there, when I need to log off or need to do other things.
I just kicked it off, since nobody seemed to have started it yet this time, although "monument shooting" has been referenced in some others threads on certain topics recently a few times.
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Reckless Ourtomineng
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:32:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Two abaddons and a cormorant...? Wow..
At least make it interesting and give yourself suspect flags.
There was one Apoc u blind guy.
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
808
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Posted - 2013.09.28 18:48:00 -
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Julia Reave wrote:Actually, KuroVolt, you have a point.
I carefully thought about my wording before not wanting it to appear like that.
The post you quoted came together as an answer to several people who have asked me why I am shooting the monument as something I can point them to.
So naturally, it has been written from a personal point of view.
Neither do I mean to be a leading figure in any of this - what is there to lead anyway? - nor do I care to "shine" by doing this.
People who would like to voice a certain opinion through symbolic means can come and shoot the monument, they don't need me or have to interact with me at all. They can shoot it without me even being there, when I need to log off or need to do other things.
I just kicked it off, since nobody seemed to have started it yet this time, although "monument shooting" has been referenced in some others threads on certain topics recently a few times.
Im just saying: if you really want to leave an impression on CCP, find something new to act as a symbol of everyones frustration with this event.
Dont repeat something that happened in the past, it both reduces the uniqueness of the first event and it also wont affect CCPnearly as much as the first time.
Its like hearing a funny joke for the fifth time, its just not as funny as the first time... |

Julia Reave
J-Systems
29
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:17:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Julia Reave wrote:Actually, KuroVolt, you have a point.
I carefully thought about my wording before not wanting it to appear like that.
The post you quoted came together as an answer to several people who have asked me why I am shooting the monument as something I can point them to.
So naturally, it has been written from a personal point of view.
Neither do I mean to be a leading figure in any of this - what is there to lead anyway? - nor do I care to "shine" by doing this.
People who would like to voice a certain opinion through symbolic means can come and shoot the monument, they don't need me or have to interact with me at all. They can shoot it without me even being there, when I need to log off or need to do other things.
I just kicked it off, since nobody seemed to have started it yet this time, although "monument shooting" has been referenced in some others threads on certain topics recently a few times.
Im just saying: if you really want to leave an impression on CCP, find something new to act as a symbol of everyones frustration with this event. Dont repeat something that happened in the past, it both reduces the uniqueness of the first event and it also wont affect CCPnearly as much as the first time. Its like hearing a funny joke for the fifth time, its just not as funny as the first time...
I see where you are coming from and had thought about this, too.
I chose the monument, since shooting it has become a part of Eve history and its symbolic value has already been established, so the message would be quite clear without many words.
Only later, after I had started shooting it, I realized, posting about it might increase attendance, but chose not to make it a "personal thing", so did on purpose not state anything like "I (personally) started the crusade. Follow my lead!".
Then I had people question why I shoot the monument and added the post, which made you "accuse" me of going for my five minutes of fame.
In the end, it's not about being funny.
I was very well aware before I started this, that some people might consider the whole thing to be pathetic in many ways, especially should the whole thing not take off. This time I just felt I should do something to voice my concern.
Some people might be aggravated about the recent TOS changes, others about Blinkgate, others about...you name it. Like over two years ago, there are several things, people could be concerned about these days regarding the direction CCP is taking.
We will see how it turns out.
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Zaxix
Long Jump.
313
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:03:00 -
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CCP has stated, categorically, that they will not listen to what people say, they will watch what they do. If you keep playing, keep showing up, whether you're protesting or not, they don't care. You're still subbed. They still cash your check or the person's check who bought your PLEX. Bokononist
-á |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
595
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:06:00 -
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They enacted the impersonating rules because they planned on giving those shinies to SOMER, and didn't want anyone to scam people by impersonating SOMER people. Would make CCP look bad. That's my opinion anyway.
And oh yeah... only 2 people shooting the monument that I can see. Not much of a protest yet.  *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |

bloodknight2
Talledega Knights PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
283
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:10:00 -
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Shooting the monument will do nothing as long as you pay your subscription.
You want to hurt CCP and send them a message? Unsubs one of your alt for 1 month. |

HardRockLife
War Decs Inc
4
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Posted - 2013.09.29 00:30:00 -
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SO how do you know that somer doesnt have to give a certain amount of the ISK to CCP as big sink? Or that there wasnt a NDAed choice option between them and eveapalous or others? |

Kalishka Askulf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2013.09.29 00:39:00 -
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HardRockLife wrote:SO how do you know that somer doesnt have to give a certain amount of the ISK to CCP as big sink? Or that there wasnt a NDAed choice option between them and eveapalous or others?
That's the point, nobody knows anything about the history of Somer, nor the exact details of the agreement between CCP and Somer.
What we DO know however, is that only 1 account per IP address is allowed. This means, if you have flatmates or a partner etc who plays EVE, only one may have a Somer account. More than one account per IP, means a ban from the games.
We also know that no matter what the agreement, this is still a very unfair way of distributing said goods. In effect, the leader of Somer has the final say of who gets the ships, and who does not. Agreements or not, that's a very unfair advantage to give to one person in a finite sandbox. Remember, we STILL have to pay Somer in order to have a chance at winning a ship. No matter how you look at it, that's not fair. |

Nomistrav
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
183
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Posted - 2013.09.29 01:33:00 -
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Sort of a dumb thing to protest against, honestly. S'like people getting angry they can't space-can-trap new players in starter systems.
I mean, come on, out of all the creative ways to scam people we're going to grab the torches when someone says it's against the rules to jack over the reputation of a corp/alliance purely out of maliciousness? Can do all sorts of stuff if this is allowed, hell I could claim to be someone else and then start asking for credit card information and then it's suddenly a huge problem instead of a minor altercation.
Not that it matters, CCP doesn't usually bend to the will of a few squeaky wheels. Good luck with your wasted ammo though. |

HardRockLife
War Decs Inc
4
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Posted - 2013.09.29 02:25:00 -
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Kalishka Askulf wrote:HardRockLife wrote:SO how do you know that somer doesnt have to give a certain amount of the ISK to CCP as big sink? Or that there wasnt a NDAed choice option between them and eveapalous or others? That's the point, nobody knows anything about the history of Somer, nor the exact details of the agreement between CCP and Somer. What we DO know however, is that only 1 account per IP address is allowed. This means, if you have flatmates or a partner etc who plays EVE, only one may have a Somer account. More than one account per IP, means a ban from the games. We also know that no matter what the agreement, this is still a very unfair way of distributing said goods. In effect, the leader of Somer has the final say of who gets the ships, and who does not. Agreements or not, that's a very unfair advantage to give to one person in a finite sandbox. Remember, we STILL have to pay Somer in order to have a chance at winning a ship. No matter how you look at it, that's not fair. Well we know CCP did plex bidding to get in to the tournament so its possible they held a similar lottery as to which site could play.
The IP thing is up to Somer and I really dont get why seeing as each account is API linked, username and pwed, instanced and finally they make profit even if some one clicks off every single box with a well coordinated VPN (yes I am going into IT) so really it just sounds like a reasons thing and maybe a mild give everyone a fair shot by preventing multiboxing, which is very much an eve thing. |

Zappity
Kurved Space
476
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Posted - 2013.09.29 02:38:00 -
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Do people get a suspect flag for shooting the monument? And, if not, why not! Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |

Tuggboat
Oneida Inc.
28
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Posted - 2013.09.29 02:54:00 -
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Its nice that buttheads are trying to create content but methinks they just want something dangled in front of them for this effort. Actually its not real good and poorly conceived. The last Jitat monument was Goon driven but at least people thought they were part of it themselves. Man you have to have grassroots for riots and revolutions, if they come from the top like last time, you atl least need to try to make us believe that we are acting on free will instead of being marionettes and muppets.
Back to the storyline screenplay generation software for you all. This doesn't rise to b grade science fiction flick by a long shot.
Thanks for the effort though I think they're will still be no Moons raining down SOE ships for you. Crying over spilt milk kinda deal. Sad story but I don't think that plot sells well, kind of antithetical to the hero theme ya know? |

Kalishka Askulf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2013.09.29 03:56:00 -
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HardRockLife wrote:Kalishka Askulf wrote:HardRockLife wrote:SO how do you know that somer doesnt have to give a certain amount of the ISK to CCP as big sink? Or that there wasnt a NDAed choice option between them and eveapalous or others? That's the point, nobody knows anything about the history of Somer, nor the exact details of the agreement between CCP and Somer. What we DO know however, is that only 1 account per IP address is allowed. This means, if you have flatmates or a partner etc who plays EVE, only one may have a Somer account. More than one account per IP, means a ban from the games. We also know that no matter what the agreement, this is still a very unfair way of distributing said goods. In effect, the leader of Somer has the final say of who gets the ships, and who does not. Agreements or not, that's a very unfair advantage to give to one person in a finite sandbox. Remember, we STILL have to pay Somer in order to have a chance at winning a ship. No matter how you look at it, that's not fair. Well we know CCP did plex bidding to get in to the tournament so its possible they held a similar lottery as to which site could play. The IP thing is up to Somer and I really dont get why seeing as each account is API linked, username and pwed, instanced and finally they make profit even if some one clicks off every single box with a well coordinated VPN (yes I am going into IT) so really it just sounds like a reasons thing and maybe a mild give everyone a fair shot by preventing multiboxing, which is very much an eve thing.
Well, we're not just talikng APi. We're talking audits, funding etc (yes, I know API is good for that in game, but let's face it, Somer is a gambling site too!).
Also, you failed to bring up the concern about the single account per IP. Please tell me, for couples playing EVE, or students gaining an education and sharing a flat who share in EVE (the list goes on, but you get the idea) how is this fair draw? |

Kalishka Askulf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2013.09.29 03:57:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Do people get a suspect flag for shooting the monument? And, if not, why not!
No. But I don#t know why  |

Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
424
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Posted - 2013.09.29 05:34:00 -
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Zaxix wrote: This is stupid. If you want to have an effect on CCP, "demonstrations" are useless. They've said as much themselves. If you want to make an impact, log off. If the Goons actually care about this (as their thread would suggest), then having an entire alliance logoff for a weekend would be a much better indicator to CCP.
Some goons care about it and others don't. I really don't see why that's so hard for you people to understand but it obviously is. |

Zaxix
Long Jump.
319
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Posted - 2013.09.29 06:16:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Zaxix wrote: This is stupid. If you want to have an effect on CCP, "demonstrations" are useless. They've said as much themselves. If you want to make an impact, log off. If the Goons actually care about this (as their thread would suggest), then having an entire alliance logoff for a weekend would be a much better indicator to CCP.
Some goons care about it and others don't. I really don't see why that's so hard for you people to understand but it obviously is. Maybe your leadership shouldn't name threads like Devswarm Op, implying a choherent, singular world view.
Edit: besides, the whole thing is over. CSM thread is out Bokononist
-á |

Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
424
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Posted - 2013.09.29 06:23:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote: Some goons care about it and others don't. I really don't see why that's so hard for you people to understand but it obviously is.
Maybe your leadership shouldn't name threads like Devswarm Op, implying a choherent, singular world view.
I think they (perhaps wrongly) think that most people who will read them are able to perceive and understand irony.
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Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3521
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Posted - 2013.09.29 06:31:00 -
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I unsubbed one account.
Seriously,we won't be bringing back the old unique ships for events. We might give other stuff away that is interesting, but no Guardian Vexor, Opux Luxury Yacht, Fedthron, Impoc, SIR, etc, etc.-á |

Zappity
Kurved Space
477
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Posted - 2013.09.29 09:11:00 -
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Kalishka Askulf wrote:Zappity wrote:Do people get a suspect flag for shooting the monument? And, if not, why not! No. But I don#t know why 
Yeah, could create some interesting battles.
Not sure how I feel about the Somer thing. Third party fan site giveaways could be good but I've never used Somer and never will. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |

Caliph Muhammed
Perkone Caldari State
543
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Posted - 2013.09.29 09:50:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Zaxix wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote: Some goons care about it and others don't. I really don't see why that's so hard for you people to understand but it obviously is.
Maybe your leadership shouldn't name threads like Devswarm Op, implying a choherent, singular world view. I think they (perhaps wrongly) think that most people who will read them are able to perceive and understand irony.
As a pubbie I understood the premise perfectly. |

Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
534
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Posted - 2013.09.29 10:01:00 -
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About time scammer scum had some sort of rules against them, even if they are as ridiculously limited as this one people are crying and whining about.
The fact that James 315 is crying about it too makes it all the more awesome in my opinion. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
49852
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Posted - 2013.09.29 11:39:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote: The fact that James 315 is crying about it too makes it all the more awesome in my opinion.
2nd-ing that, Sir. Peter Marshall: In "Alice in Wonderland", who kept crying "I'm late, I'm late?"-á Paul Lynde: Alice, and her mother is sick about it. |

Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
867
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Posted - 2013.09.29 11:49:00 -
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I blinked and I think missed the event ..
recap please. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1099
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Posted - 2013.09.29 11:49:00 -
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Zaxix wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:Zaxix wrote: This is stupid. If you want to have an effect on CCP, "demonstrations" are useless. They've said as much themselves. If you want to make an impact, log off. If the Goons actually care about this (as their thread would suggest), then having an entire alliance logoff for a weekend would be a much better indicator to CCP.
Some goons care about it and others don't. I really don't see why that's so hard for you people to understand but it obviously is. Maybe your leadership shouldn't name threads like Devswarm Op, implying a choherent, singular world view. Edit: besides, the whole thing is over. CSM thread is out
Yeah you give us far to much credit, do you have any idea how many bags of cheetos would have to be dispensed to motivate most of us to care about this? This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |

Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
612
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Posted - 2013.09.30 13:04:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:They enacted the impersonating rules because they planned on giving those shinies to SOMER, and didn't want anyone to scam people by impersonating SOMER people. Would make CCP look bad. That's my opinion anyway. And oh yeah... only 2 people shooting the monument that I can see. Not much of a protest yet.  No, they tightened up the language because a player edited Eve wiki pages to make it look like (a) his character was one of Chribba's alts and (b) that the ISD endorsed that alt. He then proceeded to steal trillions of isk in escrow funds as well as the super caps the victims thought they were trading, damaging the reputation of the big C in the process.
Just like in the real world breathtaking douchebaggery on that scale triggered tighter restrictions. |

Reckless Ourtomineng
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.09.30 14:09:00 -
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Cynter DeVries wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:They enacted the impersonating rules because they planned on giving those shinies to SOMER, and didn't want anyone to scam people by impersonating SOMER people. Would make CCP look bad. That's my opinion anyway. And oh yeah... only 2 people shooting the monument that I can see. Not much of a protest yet.  No, they tightened up the language because a player edited Eve wiki pages to make it look like (a) his character was one of Chribba's alts and (b) that the ISD endorsed that alt. He then proceeded to steal trillions of isk in escrow funds as well as the super caps the victims thought they were trading, damaging the reputation of the big C in the process. Just like in the real world breathtaking douchebaggery on that scale triggered tighter restrictions.
Got milk? .. hmm anyway.. this is like shoting newbie in newbie systems, rules should be equal everywhere not on case by case basis, and this just the drop that made vessel overflow, anyway this is now Abandon all hope ye who enter Eve, abandon your self to tirrany and few noobs who support them on forums
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