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Karrl Tian
Ice Patrol
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Posted - 2013.10.02 03:34:00 -
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Now highsec players can know the joy of structure shooting. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2057
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Posted - 2013.10.02 03:44:00 -
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the isk sink is still there, just reduced. 5% NPC tax is minimum in highsec (with max skills), player taxes are on top of that.
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4667
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Posted - 2013.10.02 03:45:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:Now highsec players can know the joy of structure shooting.
We'll spread this joy to everyone.
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Mocam
EVE University
Ivy League
307
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Posted - 2013.10.02 04:21:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:$5 says someone monopolizes the POCOs and implements a 100% tax to shutdown all high-sec PI. If we're really lucky Goons will fall for this obvious CCP trap and their hold on null will be broken when a portion of their fleet is off protecting silly pocos while someone else is nibbling away at their nulpire.
Actually I do have questions on this and brought it up to some folks that do PI. They didn't know the numbers but they said it probably wouldn't work out well trying such a stunt.
POCO's are a cost saving convenience. You can jettison the stuff straight to space and pick it up - this costs more and is less convenient.
So if "griefing" is so trivial and easily bypassed, what value is there in not taking them and running them for profit?
Null wants some income to run empires then here's a source but one that may have pretty close to a zero grief factor if they do that for lulz. All I've heard was that if it did cut margins too low doing planetary launches, they'd shut down their PI pickups and weeks on end of that... Who eats the costs with no profits? This isn't a high-profit zone for PI.
Again, I don't know what the cost margin differences are but I'll bet this ends up working out more like lowsec - ~7% tax rate for use vs the current 15% with a steady flow of income for the owners of the POCO - probably null entities looking for steady "free" income. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
4150
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Posted - 2013.10.02 04:30:00 -
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Tithe ISK sink of NPC Customs Taxes will be replaced with the ISK sink of declaring war against Goonswarm.
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Gargep Farrow
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2013.10.02 04:45:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:$5 says someone monopolizes the POCOs and implements a 100% tax to shutdown all high-sec PI. If we're really lucky Goons will fall for this obvious CCP trap and their hold on null will be broken when a portion of their fleet is off protecting silly pocos while someone else is nibbling away at their nulpire.
I doubt this is a trap set up by CCP. It is more a potential case of shooting themselves in the foot, because you know the Goons are asking for this change. It also wont be their nulpire that is lost, it will be their investment in High as sooner or later another threat will pop up in null and smaller alliances will take advantage and ravage Goon POCOS while they keep their fleet in null. They may get their LOLZ out screwing with High sec industry, but it will cost them in the long run if they over do it. |
Flex Carter
Caldari Independant Mining Association
97
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:41:00 -
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So let me get this straight, in Highsec I will still have to pay NPC taxes (which can be lowered from 10% via a skill) but along with the Player own POCO taxes they set?
Why the hell would anyone do PI in Highsec now unless they own the POCO themselves... Every Merc/War DecGÇÖing Corp out there will own hundreds due to the passive income they will generate.
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Ra Jackson
the unified
Negative Ten.
201
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:10:00 -
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Keep in mind that the CCP tax rate is not replaced completely.
Aivo Dresden wrote:You do realise that you can set the tax rate right? Why would anyone go through the trouble of trashing your POCO if you have a low tax rate already?
Because he can set his own high tax rate and make passive isk. |
Ra Jackson
the unified
Negative Ten.
201
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:19:00 -
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Mocam wrote:
Actually I do have questions on this and brought it up to some folks that do PI. They didn't know the numbers but they said it probably wouldn't work out well trying such a stunt.
POCO's are a cost saving convenience. You can jettison the stuff straight to space and pick it up - this costs more and is less convenient.
Plus the fact that you cannot send material down to a planet without a CO. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
529
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Posted - 2013.10.02 11:06:00 -
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Nivo Green wrote:************** So CCP announced that they are leaving the NPC tax on top of the new player tax so this isn't even a valid question anymore. /thread ************** With EVE Online's coming expansion CCP has claimed that high sec custom offices will be able to be replaced with POCO. Many people have claimed that this is either stupid, as high sec resource harvesting sucks, or that the nullsec evil cartels will ruin the game. Regardless of these claims, there are still a ton of people fully living in high sec, and no doubt a large amount of higher tier PI production takes place in high sec around the hubs. Until now this has always been NPC taxed as an isk sink, but with the coming change this will go away for all significant traffic highsec customs offices. My question to CCP is is this a significant ISK sink, and if it is what are they doing to counteract the loss of it if anything at all? If CCP thinks that there will be profitable customs offices, then they will be losing that tax with Rubicon. Looking at tier 4 PI components, there is about 500 billion ISK moved in that market a day globally, with about 45.9 billion moved daily in jita. Even if we only assumed 10% of this market was built in highsec planets, it still amounts to probably 25-50 billion isk a day which is getting taxed in highsec custom offices in t4 alone. Thats about 2.5 to 5 billion isk removed per day if its only 10%. This is not that significant at 10%, but I believe that quiet a lot more PI happens in high sec, and I did not even look at tier 2-3 products which are also likely produced. Anyway CCP likely has much better data on this, and their choice to move forward with it likely means they either don't need the sink, or it's not that big of a deal. 
Isk sink will NOT be removed. The fixed tax wil still be there, just reduced. That probably to ocmpensate the fact atha a LOT of time a lot of POCOS will not be workign because they will be in reinforced mode.
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Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2013.10.02 11:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nerf high sec level 4s. From november all mission rewards are reduced by 10 isk.
Also, nerf megathrons.
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Grunanca
Sickology
Dead Terrorists
84
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Posted - 2013.10.02 12:01:00 -
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SpoonRECKLESS wrote:The amount of wars that will be started by this is the isk sink. Mercs will have even more useful role in high sec, Killing Pocos will become big money.I for one will enjoy the local banter to become common around heavy traffic areas.
You just forget that a killed ship equals insurance payout... Insurance payout is a huge reason behind inflation in this game. Everytime you lose a ship, you put more isk into the game. This combined with no isk sink on doing missions and mining, means that first you produce isk out of air buy materials to make a ship. Then when your ship dies, even more isk comes out of thin air. So mercs killing people will only be bad for inflation. |
Karak Bol
GAZNOROCK Inc.
GANOR INC.
110
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Posted - 2013.10.02 12:49:00 -
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Missions do have an ISK sink: The LP store. |
Phinger
Trantor Mentalics
13
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Posted - 2013.11.27 03:09:00 -
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I do just small PI work already custom office replaced with 35% Tax. Sorry my dabbling in PI is over. Defend it you say.....cant be bothered with our small corp. thanks CCP for removing more aspects of small player groups in this game.
your either a number in a big corp and can do whatever you want but if your small fry its not a sandbox to play in anymore |
Rhes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
463
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Posted - 2013.11.27 04:26:00 -
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Phinger wrote:I do just small PI work already custom office replaced with 35% Tax. Sorry my dabbling in PI is over. Defend it you say.....cant be bothered with our small corp. thanks CCP for removing more aspects of small player groups in this game.
your either a number in a big corp and can do whatever you want but if your small fry its not a sandbox to play in anymore
You should find a friendly Goonswarm or RvB POCO. Our tax rates are very reasonable.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Skelly Boatman
River Nyx
6
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Posted - 2013.11.27 06:20:00 -
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Phinger wrote:I do just small PI work already custom office replaced with 35% Tax. Sorry my dabbling in PI is over. Defend it you say.....cant be bothered with our small corp. thanks CCP for removing more aspects of small player groups in this game.
your either a number in a big corp and can do whatever you want but if your small fry its not a sandbox to play in anymore
You realize you just necro posted a 2mo old thread?
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GetSirrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
65
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Posted - 2013.11.27 06:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nerf high sec level 4s. From november all mission rewards are reduced by 10 isk.
is that "by" or "to"? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5260
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Posted - 2013.11.27 07:18:00 -
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Skelly Boatman wrote:Phinger wrote:I do just small PI work already custom office replaced with 35% Tax. Sorry my dabbling in PI is over. Defend it you say.....cant be bothered with our small corp. thanks CCP for removing more aspects of small player groups in this game.
your either a number in a big corp and can do whatever you want but if your small fry its not a sandbox to play in anymore You realize you just necro posted a 2mo old thread?
why not
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Nivo Green
Stac Enterprises
29
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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:59:00 -
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Phinger wrote:I do just small PI work already custom office replaced with 35% Tax. Sorry my dabbling in PI is over. Defend it you say.....cant be bothered with our small corp. thanks CCP for removing more aspects of small player groups in this game.
your either a number in a big corp and can do whatever you want but if your small fry its not a sandbox to play in anymore
A couple of edit points:
- Sandbox doesnt mean you can do anything you want it means you can TRY to do anything you want
 - PI is not a small player group thing. It is a SOLO thing often involving alt hordes. Dont kid yourself because you were on teamspeak while doing PI
Since this got necro'd anyway I'll go ahead and introduce you to a magical place in eve called:
Its this amazing place in eve where small groups are capable of engaging in:
- Structure Building
- Home Defense
- Massive Carebearing
- Small and varying pvp options
- Exciting challenges
- Space Explosions
- and you guessed it - PI!
All while running far under the radar of "large groups" (also read the boogie goons ("grr") )
Every time a carebear cries about how their small corp can't compete with the big boys it makes me cringe a little. Would you go and try to wrestle a sumo wrestler? No im pretty sure if you wanted to wrestle you would find an organization that let you fight within your weight class. Here is a hint: if you want to do anything substantial as a small group in eve you need to go to wormholes. YOU will always be very vulnerable to larger more coordinated groups than yourself no matter where you go, but wormholes make it much harder to coordinate large groups in. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3736
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Posted - 2013.12.03 20:32:00 -
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Nerf all the things |
M1k3y Koontz
thorn project
Surely You're Joking
422
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:52:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Theoretically the loss of the isk sink will be counteracted by the PI material sink of player destroyable POCOs
Not an isk sink, just an isk transfer. No isk was destroyed with the PI, just a PI material.
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
Boarderline Cartel
1424
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Posted - 2013.12.05 01:19:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:
If we're really lucky Goons will fall for this obvious CCP trap and their hold on null will be broken when a portion of their fleet is off protecting silly pocos while someone else is nibbling away at their nulpire.
I doubt it. The problem is there are so many goons that they can outnumber fleets in nullsec AND protect their high sec assets at the same time. The only way the goons are going down is from within and that's locked down pretty tight. |
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