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Vensa Heckler
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Posted - 2006.01.19 18:34:00 -
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In light of recent events, I would like to draw the attention of the people of the summit to a theory I have entertained for a while but never truly believed myself. Now I feel it is time to share this with all of you.
I would like to bring the focus of debate back to the assasination of Emperor Doraim Kor-Azor just half a year ago. As is know to members of the summit, the investigation into the Emperors death was never conclusive with almost everyone but the emperor himself being blamed.
The Cult of St.Tetrimon are founded on the premise of "purifying" the Ammar faith, and, due to certain over-zealousness on their part, were deemed as a threat by the newly formed privy council of that time. Despite the exile of the order, they (as can be seen by the resurgence of Pilots trying to make contact with members of their order today) did not die out.
Consider these facts:
The cult of tetrimon during its exile did manage to express its "dislike" of certain Ammar figureheads, for example the then Heir Doriam of the Kor-Azor family.
The Emperor Doriam is assasinated, and fingers pointed everywhere during the following investigation.
Shortly after this shambles, the cult of tetrimon has its exile repealed by the privy council; thus granting said faction more rights within the system.
My question to you all is, why exactly would the Privy council allow a faction with a history of violence towards ammarian people and hatred of the late emperor, to roam free within Ammar space?
This is of course, just a theory...
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Mazer Kt'luthid
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Posted - 2006.01.19 19:11:00 -
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Don't you read The Scope? They were sure the Blood Raiders/Khanids/Mercenaries did it, with so many suspects, who would suspect the Tetrimon?
The Tetrimon have been trying to speak the truth to the empire for generations, but all of those attempts have failed because of the Theology and Privy Councils exiled them at the start of the minmatar rebellion.
Whether or not the Tetrimon assassinated the emperor, it is irrelevant. The fact that the emperor was assassinated is proof enough that he was not chosen of god and thus in no place to be emperor, I should only hope the same happens to the Theology and Privy councils aswell...
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.01.19 19:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Vensa Heckler
InMy question to you all is, why exactly would the Privy council allow a faction with a history of violence towards ammarian people and hatred of the late emperor, to roam free within Ammar space?
Firstly, the Privy Council and the Theology Council are not exactly the same entity.
Secondly, it was their job to pass judgement on the manuscripts, and they are not finished with them yet. We don't even konw just which portions of the manuscripts have been verified.
It's too early to tell just what the ramifications of this will be.
Having said that, I would be very interested to hear the first reactions of Uriam Kador, Yonis Ardishapur, Articio Kor-Azor and Catiz Tash-Murkon.
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2006.01.19 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 19/01/2006 19:35:01
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Vensa Heckler
InMy question to you all is, why exactly would the Privy council allow a faction with a history of violence towards ammarian people and hatred of the late emperor, to roam free within Ammar space?
Firstly, the Privy Council and the Theology Council are not exactly the same entity.
You need to read the news more closely, paramilitary.
The Theology Council prepared the report and delivered it to the Privy Council which thereafter took the decision to suspend the edict against the Order.
Vensa Heckler therefore asks his question with reference to precisely the correct body.
The Cosmopolite
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Khan Rodak
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Posted - 2006.01.19 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vensa Heckler
The Cult of St.Tetrimon are founded on the premise of "purifying" the Ammar faith, and, due to certain over-zealousness on their part, were deemed as a threat by the newly formed privy council of that time. Despite the exile of the order, they (as can be seen by the resurgence of Pilots trying to make contact with members of their order today) did not die out.
First mistake.
The St. Tetrimon order never died, much less its spirits, teachings and lessons. You must have been distracted or too far out the empire regions to do not know Manu Dei religious order as followers of St. Tetrimon teachings for long time now.
Those pilots you mentioned are just a sample of the much more St. tetrimon followers scatered around many sistems. Even many of them do not knew Manu dei existed so this mistake is understandable.
Originally by: Vensa Heckler
My question to you all is, why exactly would the Privy council allow a faction with a history of violence towards ammarian people and hatred of the late emperor, to roam free within Ammar space?
This is of course, just a theory...
Second mistake.
What is seen as violence to you is no more than a valuable lesson all amarrians should learn and never forget. Pay a litle more attention to Zaragram II (often called the Mad emperor) lesson. That was a brave action made by St. tetrimon, fullfilling the wishes of God. Sometimes ½one man only+ can twist apart the destiny God as gaven us amarrians. Sometimes it takes honourable mans to set things back on the right path.
This mistake can only be understandable by your own origins and delusional ideals.
May God enlight you.
Khan Rodak
Manu Dei Religious Order
Congregatio Executorium Officiarius
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.19 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mazer Kt'luthid
Don't you read The Scope?
The scope used to be reliable and not just a stack of propaganda?
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Khan Rodak
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Posted - 2006.01.19 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
The history is therefore rather patchy and one of violence aimed not so much at the Amarrian people as at those the Order perceive to be betraying the rather corrupt and decayed religion our people sadly continue to cling to.
The Cosmopolite
The most important fact that made many amarrians left religious practice or state things like you about God was the fact that St. Tetrimon Order was forbitten of doing its role as keepers of faith.
Gladly this might be the end of it, therefor, a good start.
Khan Rodak
Manu Dei Religious Order
Congregatio Executorium Officiarius
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Vensa Heckler
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Posted - 2006.01.19 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Khan Rodak
First mistake.
The St. Tetrimon order never died, much less its spirits, teachings and lessons. You must have been distracted or too far out the empire regions to do not know Manu Dei religious order as followers of St. Tetrimon teachings for long time now.
Those pilots you mentioned are just a sample of the much more St. tetrimon followers scatered around many sistems. Even many of them do not knew Manu dei existed so this mistake is understandable.
Please re-read my original statement, i am well aware of the continued existence of cults based around the followings of St. Tetrimon.
Originally by: Khan Rodak
Second mistake.
What is seen as violence to you is no more than a valuable lesson all amarrians should learn and never forget. Pay a litle more attention to Zaragram II (often called the Mad emperor) lesson. That was a brave action made by St. tetrimon, fullfilling the wishes of God. Sometimes ½one man only+ can twist apart the destiny God as gaven us amarrians. Sometimes it takes honourable mans to set things back on the right path.
This mistake can only be understandable by your own origins and delusional ideals.
May God enlight you.
This is dodging the point, the Privy Council is a body that has a say in the governing of the people of Ammar is it not? Why would this governing body allow an organisation that has in the past commited acts of violence towards civilians (be it "honourable" in your eyes or not) to roam free through the territories of the Ammar?
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2006.01.19 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Khan Rodak
The most important fact that made many amarrians left religious practice or state things like you about God was the fact that St. Tetrimon Order was forbitten of doing its role as keepers of faith.
Gladly this might be the end of it, therefor, a good start.
You can certainly dream. I fear the Order will find it rather difficult to suppress those who think as I do in a world where the power of independent capsuleer organisations continues to wax and where expansion into the outer worlds is only increasing.
My own family, a rather diverse and discordant gang of reprobates, heretics and outlaws was not even extirpated in the old days when the Order wielded something close to power supreme in the Empire. How should it achieve its quest for root and branch cleansing of the Amarrian people in these times? The answer, of course, is that it cannot possibly.
The re-emergence of the Order this day, be it temporary or permanent, is simply the introduction of another point of stress in an already weakened and moribund empire.
Good.
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction |
Mikha'il Pelegius
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Posted - 2006.01.19 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: Mikha''il Pelegius on 19/01/2006 21:02:12
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s simply the introduction of another point of stress in an already weakened and moribund empire.
Tainted beliefs, methods, and traditions must be broken down and destroyed for the origonal scriptures and culture to be revived. Truth of government, Empire, Emperor, and God can only come forth through means of destroying the false.
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Vensa Heckler
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Posted - 2006.01.20 19:01:00 -
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I fear the point of the original statement may have been lost in amounst the religious hatred and thus i will re-state said point in a much clearer fasion. I believe that the cult of tetrimon (or an organisation following tetrimons teachings) had something to do with the death of Emperor Doriam II, and that the privy councils current friendliness towards the Cult is a sign that they may also have had a hand in his death.
If we consider the amount of disruption due to the death of Doriam, it would perhaps be naive to think that the edict being suspended (and thus the Cult playing a more open role in society) is a good thing.
I am not trying to induce panic, neither am i attempting to be sensationalist; i am merely warning you of what may be just around the corner.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.01.20 19:11:00 -
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Until such time as the nature of the particular scriptures decided by the Theology Council to be accurate are announced, I would suggest that any conspiracy theories are at best unwarrented.
I would also point out that this is also an internal Amarran issue by all accounts, and that as such any conspiracy theories about it from Caldari have about as much substance as if I decided to say that one of the Caldari Megacorporations was out to destroy Caldari culture utterly and turn you into clones of the Gallente.
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Vensa Heckler
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Posted - 2006.01.20 20:31:00 -
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If you wish to bury your head in the sand my friend then so be it.
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Mikha'il Pelegius
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Posted - 2006.01.20 20:37:00 -
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If you wish to bury your head in the sand my friend then so be it.
Do not confuse patience with fear. Do not confuse waiting for validated information with ignorance.
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Vensa Heckler
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Posted - 2006.01.20 20:44:00 -
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I was never accusing you of being ignorant, its not like there isn't thousands of Matari citizens doing that already.
I was merely asking you to listen to the facts i have presented, instead of disregarding if all in a blaze of fanaticism.
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Mikha'il Pelegius
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Posted - 2006.01.20 20:47:00 -
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I was merely asking you to listen to the facts i have presented, instead of disregarding if all in a blaze of fanaticism.
Your words have been noted, not ignored. But because we understand does not mean we must immediatally act upon them. Hastey descisions based on something that may or may not be accurate is a Gallente trait, not something found in our Empire.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.01.21 08:41:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 21/01/2006 08:42:03
I have no intention of burying my head in the sand.
However, takeing what you say at face value would effectively be a panic reaction and would eleminate any chance of fully understanding what actually is at play in this situation.
In essence, even if you were proven 100% right, the evidence that has been brought to light so far is so unsubstansial that to base any responce on it would be roughly the equivalent of declaring that an entire enemy fleet is about to jump in after haveing seen only a single enemy scout.
Even discounting the basic fact that the Privy Council is Amarran and you are not, that would be enough to discount your argument until much more proof comes to light.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2006.01.21 13:08:00 -
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The cult of St. Tetrimon was responsible for the deaths of over 300 Minmatar children over two years ago. They can all burn in the fires of the nearest sun for all I care.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Khan Rodak
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Posted - 2006.01.21 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sarkos
The cult of St. Tetrimon was responsible for the deaths of over 300 Minmatar children over two years ago. They can all burn in the fires of the nearest sun for all I care.
As far as i know and saw, Ushra'Khan actions have made much more victims among matari slaves, most of them childrens as well, in much less time.
Khan Rodak
Manu Dei Religious Order
Congregatio Executorium Officiarius
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Kaeleron
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Posted - 2006.01.21 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mazer Kt'luthid
Don't you read The Scope? ...
*Kaeleron laughs alot at the prospect of The Scope as a source of reliable information.*
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