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Malus NalJa'ka
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Posted - 2003.08.25 19:05:00 -
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Alright, there are 2 people in the game, OBIWAN JR. and MissEvil who keep stealing my ore while I'm mining and I can't do a thing about it, because shooting them results in getting the cops all over me!!! This is getting seriously out of hand. I was mining for 2 hours with 2 Basic miners ( can't afford anything fancier atm ) and the MissEvil comes by and steals everything out of my container!!!  Yes, secure container, but I find the fact that I have to go away from it and back to it constantly really annoying!! + the giant container has a bug, can't give it a password. And yet, this is a form of pirating we can't do anything against!!! Shoot them, you're podded, let them be, you lose your ore. It's a lose lose situation. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been robbed by these two. I'd suggest they get a warning or something, cuz this is pure anti-play !!!
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John Zeppe
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Posted - 2003.08.25 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: John Zeppe on 25/08/2003 19:10:42
I guess you're a newbie (no offence) in your starter ship? It doesn't take more than an hour or so of mining to afford Miner I's. Are you sure that you're actually using basics, since there is no way to get more than 1 basic except from other players/trashing your ship? 
Anyway they sell for 4-5k.
Edit: More on topic, yes, it sucks. If some of them would just be brave enough to be in a corp... 
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annoing
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Posted - 2003.08.25 19:11:00 -
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Contact me in game and i will supply you with 2 gaussian's for free, so you can mine quicker and get that ore back to base so you can build yourself up.
When you have the isk, you can pay me back
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.08.25 19:12:00 -
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If it's floating in space unsecured... it's not yours. It's free for the taking.
Does it suck? Yep. Is it right? Nope. But thats how it works.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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Malus NalJa'ka
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Posted - 2003.08.25 19:41:00 -
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Unsecured? I was right next to it!! And I don't have the right to shoot!!! That's what I'm talking about. And I am a "newbie" yes, but I have already advanced in ship ranks, have a bestower for Mining ops with corp and a frigate for mining thank you very much  .
Just waiting for those skills to get ready for cruisers ...
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Singular
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Posted - 2003.08.25 19:45:00 -
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See if you can save up for a Secure Mining Container. They come in all different sizes, and allow you to set a password on them so people dont steal your ore =)
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Schadenfreude
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Posted - 2003.08.25 20:23:00 -
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It's real simple people... If you don't want your ore stollen, Dont jettison it. Mine until your cargo is full, then drop the ore off at the station and come back to mine more.
Jettisoning ore may be more efficient, but ore thieves is a risk that comes along with it. Mine the slower/safer way until you can afford to move out to less populated space or until you can find a budy to collect the ore in an Indy...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.25 20:27:00 -
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Hasn't the fact that the can you jettison now holds your information changed the law of ownership over jettisoned material?
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.25 20:32:00 -
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Well you can either go back to the refinery after each load.
Or you can use several secure cargo containers - as many as fit in your indy.
Or you can jettison it and take your chances.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.25 20:34:00 -
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Or just mine in 0.4 space.
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.08.25 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Lola on 25/08/2003 20:42:29
Edited by: Lola on 25/08/2003 20:39:56
You say you "can't do anything about it" yet you can:
1. Not jettison your ore
2. Use a secure container
3. Fly back and forth from belt to station
4. Have someone haul
5. Mine in lower security where you can shoot them
I see the infinite cargo space of jettisoning as almost an exploit. I don't think CCP balanced cargo sizes of ships just so you could ignore your cargo hold and float the ore in space near you. You need to take matters into your own hands and stop trying to get handouts. Either do one of the things I suggested or understand that ore theives are the risk you take for using the "jettison cargo" exploit.
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MissEvil
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Posted - 2003.08.25 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: MissEvil on 25/08/2003 21:11:53
Yeh i'd be annoyed if i spent hours mining ore and somebody came along and took it all. However, im not stupid enough to leave it lying around for anyone to take. Its like leaving your keys in your car and just waiting for someone to come and steal it!
Your right about one thing though, you aren't the only one to be 'robbed' by us two, we had many victims today! Its wrong, yes, but morals never were one of my strongpoints.
The others are right though, if you want to keep your ore just dont jettison it into space in the first place.
By the way, did you want your miner 1, and cargo expanders back? After you fired upon me and subsequently lost your ship, i took the liberty of 'collecting' them  |
Winterblink
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Posted - 2003.08.25 21:18:00 -
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There's what, five THOUSAND star systems and people still ***** and moan about ore theft...
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Jojin
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Posted - 2003.08.25 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jojin on 25/08/2003 21:33:15
I like the reference to leaving your keys in the car and waiting for someone to steal it.
In Florida (USA), it is illegal to leave your keys in an un-occupied vehicle and subject to a fine. Like the way many EVE players learn, I learned of this the hard way. I got a ticket for the offense.
I informed the officer I thought the ticketing and offense was absurd, as I was watching the vehicle (as I purchased a news paper from the vending machine). The officer replied, telling me I was only making it easier for a crime to be committed and enticing someone to commit theft when they would not normally do so. He also added in a snide comment, ôAnyways, who would be the first person you would call if your vehicle was stolen?ö Being a little angered and knowing he wanted me to say the police I replied, ôThe insurance company.ö
Perhaps, people who dump valuable unsecured (by container) items into space should receive a security penalty and reaction from Concorde. This would definitely eliminate the ôOre Thievesö and subsequent woes associated with them.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2003.08.25 21:40:00 -
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Heh, I like that. :) But it's more littering, so how about a fine for that? If a concord patrol comes by and sees your containers just sitting there, when you open the container you receive notification that a ticket of the offence has been logged. Then you have x number of days to make payment or you get hunted down (maybe not killed, but maybe get your ship impounded). Give something to do for the Payable tab in the personal wallet.
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SISQO
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Posted - 2003.08.25 21:46:00 -
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If concord ever came to that, I'll change to be a PC pirate and kill everything in sight.
Noobs? Pod. Cops? Pod. Corp Members? Pod. GM's? Pod.
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Galk
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Posted - 2003.08.25 22:12:00 -
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Just do what your average greifer does....
Create an Alt.
Lets face it, the bottom line is, the people going around doing this are just doing it to p**s people off.
The pointless morale high ground above says nothing to me, there's a bottom line to it...
If it wasn't this, it would be something else.
Like i say, play fire with fire and don't let them get to you, use the real exploit of an alt.
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Little wonder why people were, what this person was telling my friends: http://galk.50megs.com/logs/ |
wamingo
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Posted - 2003.08.25 22:13:00 -
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you have a beastower but can't afford miner 1's?
hehe... funny...
change to another system where there aren't so many people - ore theives usually only bother with highly populated systems - unless you picked somebody's "turf" or something.
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2003.08.25 22:16:00 -
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If you dont want to go the secure container route i'd recommend for you to move your mining to a different 1.0 or 0.9 system.
Contact me in game with the system you are in and i'll find you a similar system where you can mine in peace.
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Galk
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Posted - 2003.08.25 22:22:00 -
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Secure containers just litter the place up.
Normally i don't agree when people say that, maybe these galactic dustbin men can do use all a favour and sit there getting the hit points down and blowing them up.
Now that realy would be a good thing.
My policy is allways to clean up quickly whenever i see a dustbin man.
They don't seem to thank me though, im only doing them a favour by blowing my cans up for them.
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Little wonder why people were, what this person was telling my friends: http://galk.50megs.com/logs/ |
BrazHos
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Posted - 2003.08.25 22:26:00 -
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Im really sure all these high minded people posting that its your fault that you were stolen from always do everything the way they portray.
I say BS! Stealing is stealing!
If you open someone elses (OBVIOUSLY ITS NOT YOURS) can, you should see a 10 second warning that ends with your ship being self destructed. If you attempt to take something from the can, you immediately self destruct and go to clone!
(Just as Corps can set permissions on hangars.. individuals could give permissions on cans)
Yeah! Thats how thieves should be treated! As for the thief braggart misevil.. she/he will get there due.. karma has a way of making its way around...
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Freddy Krueger
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Posted - 2003.08.25 22:28:00 -
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There are some sad bastards out there. Gate campers being number 1, followed very quickly by ore thieves. Ore thieves are probably the sort of scum that commit thoughtless crimes in the "real" world. The fact that someone has jetissoned their ore, but is sat right by it using it as a float, should not be an invitation for some scum bag to come along and pilfer it.
The fact that CCP makes it almost impossible to reprimand these scum bags is almost as bad as the act itself. If it were possible to retaliate by blowing the gits sky-high, fair enough, let them get on with their petty theivery; but as the situation is at the moment, it is tantamount to going down the local boozer, and leaving your front door wide open with a sign saying "please rob me".
My advice is this, when you get your ore stolen from under your nose, blow the bastards to pieces. Next time they may just leave you alone. The fact that you WILL get the local constabulary warping directly onto you, means you stand a good chance of being vapourised yourself, but at least it feels good knowing the thieving bastard has been podded.
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slothe
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Posted - 2003.08.25 22:29:00 -
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PLEASE READ THE POST B4 U REPLY
jees he had a secure only they bugged, i dont blame him for being annoyed.
and tho i never experienced it i imagine ore thieves (well any thieves) to be really annoying
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.08.25 22:33:00 -
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If you jettison your ore, you're taking chanses. Usually, it's more profitable to jettison it and fill them to the max.
Part time ore theif (against SA corporations) and part time miner (and have been 'stolen' from as well)
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Klydor
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Posted - 2003.08.25 22:35:00 -
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Wow we really need a search function on the forums or we'll be flogging this dead horse till its nothing more than a roting carcass.
Anyhow, Concord do not care whether its yours or not, what they do care about is violent crimes and murder. Commit those and your in for it.
Buy a few secure containers and make do or do what I did and keep going back to the station when your full. Yes its a pain, but it prevents theivery.
Then when your a little stronger go mine in <0.5 space and if you have your cargo stolen, kill the person who did it.
Whilst in high security space, your safe from the big bad pirates (well mostly) but your subject to ore theives. And vice versa, lifes in eve is harsh and not fair, live with the rules concord make.
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Bele gorri
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Posted - 2003.08.25 22:51:00 -
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That's what had happend to me today
I've been minning in a 0.5 system several days, jettisoning the containers and taking them whith my Indy (working solo) .
Well, I knew the risks.
Today a guy appeared.
He was killing NPC pirates and taking the dropped objects ... and my containers were near.
So he has come and has taken 1 of them (it was a frigate ).
I've run in the station, taken my Indy and remove the containers I had left before appeared again.
It's hard work I know. I'm not a Power Gamer and I'm not in a Corporation . Every loss is a great loss and i know it. But at least the game gives you the chance to use the secure containers.
Think what would happen if there weren't any.
Use them or take the risk .
May be in the future everyone will be able to "mark" the jettisoned containers and make the life a little bit more difficult for the thievs.
One last thing.
The people you have named will be laughing at you.
Its a pitty but it is so.
Don't let them laugh any more and don't waste your time with guys like them.
I hope it had help you
And good luck out there
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Galk
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Posted - 2003.08.25 22:56:00 -
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big bad pirates... or lamers hiding behind alt's.
Yep thought so.
Exploit the alt system yourself... create a missle totting alt in a frigate, have him remained 'cloaked' in the roid field... and you get your vengance without losing nothing.
Ohh and you don't lose any ore, cept for one load, which to a mining battle ship is all of a about 10 mins work
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Little wonder why people were, what this person was telling my friends: http://galk.50megs.com/logs/ |
Skelator
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Posted - 2003.08.25 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Skelator on 25/08/2003 23:04:46
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you have a beastower but can't afford miner 1's?
hehe... funny...
change to another system where there aren't so many people - ore theives usually only bother with highly populated systems - unless you picked somebody's "turf" or something.
I Concur
Why do People who have alot always come back and mine in the N00b's sections??
That ore at least from a Ethical standpoint should be for the N00bs yet I see alot of "So Called Strip mining" Corps in 1.0 space ravaging everything in sight so when a New N00b logs on for his first time he has only Leftovers to pick through
No Really a Good way to keep potential new players.
Whats the matter Big Corps afraid to mine in some lower sectors?
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
StealthNet
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Posted - 2003.08.26 01:20:00 -
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Quote:
If you jettison your ore, you're taking chanses. Usually, it's more profitable to jettison it and fill them to the max.
Part time ore theif (against SA corporations) and part time miner (and have been 'stolen' from as well)
I'm inclined to agree that ore thieves are an annoyance, as much as not being able to retaliate. You say that if you jettison the ore it is subject to stealing, fine! No problem with that, but the guy willing to get it must have some sort of risk too.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.26 02:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jojin on 25/08/2003 21:33:15
I like the reference to leaving your keys in the car and waiting for someone to steal it.
In Florida (USA), it is illegal to leave your keys in an un-occupied vehicle and subject to a fine. Like the way many EVE players learn, I learned of this the hard way. I got a ticket for the offense.
I informed the officer I thought the ticketing and offense was absurd, as I was watching the vehicle (as I purchased a news paper from the vending machine). The officer replied, telling me I was only making it easier for a crime to be committed and enticing someone to commit theft when they would not normally do so. He also added in a snide comment, ôAnyways, who would be the first person you would call if your vehicle was stolen?ö Being a little angered and knowing he wanted me to say the police I replied, ôThe insurance company.ö
Perhaps, people who dump valuable unsecured (by container) items into space should receive a security penalty and reaction from Concorde. This would definitely eliminate the ôOre Thievesö and subsequent woes associated with them.
Oooo...now there's an evil thought I hadn't had yet. Good work!
Hopefully future patch note
- Concord now responds for space littering
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
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