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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.08.26 07:51:00 -
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Is there a good reason why negative sec people are protected by concord? is it for the newbies?
I can't see why concord kills you for fighting a negative security person. that's why its there right? So you know who is good and who isn't. if you obey the law, you get a positive sec status. if you have any negative, i should be able to blast you to dust on the steps of the galatic capital. doesn't that make sense?
as of now 150 million isk says i'm wrong. =)
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Ruulex DeMors
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Posted - 2003.08.26 07:53:00 -
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EVE has never been newbie friendly, it's one of the reasons it isn't growing (I'm not calling the original poster a newbie). There is nothing in the manual about this (heck the manual was out of date on release).
Polaris members and everyone who posts here agrees that the number of ppl posting here are about 10-15% of the ppl that play the game. So how can they expect to the newbies to know what's going on? The tutorial warns ppl about the threat colors, but I don't recall it saying don't fire in .5 and above space unless the person has a -5.0 sec rating.
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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.08.26 08:00:00 -
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Agreed. I had no clue about securty stuff until my megathron was reduced to ashes. I have been in beta and I guess i should have done a search in the Support pages about "Security status" before engaging in PVP. But that would to easy :P It's confusing, and most don't learn how it works till CONCORD takes you out with 120000 battleships. Then you learn!(i lasted SO much longer in BETA againt CONCORD)
This game is very anti newbie. The tutorial isn't great, the web page isn't that big of a help. the manual is like so out of date it's a joke. As I said...back to mining for a new ship...
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Velthem Cthulhu
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Posted - 2003.08.26 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 25/08/2003 20:21:18
In 0.0 systems you suffer no penalties at all.
Bull crap.. I took a -2.5 for pod'ing a guy that attacked our Indy in 0.0 (HED-GP), come to find out there are "some" 0.0 sectors that still carry a neg security hit because they are still empire space...
personally I think it should be 0.1 if it is going to leave a sec hit, but it seems some dev at CCP thinks they should surprise you with the security hit in 0.0 space.. Retarded if you ask me.
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Drutort
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Posted - 2003.08.26 08:55:00 -
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ya i never got it why you can have a bounty IF you cant be shot at until -5.0
that is just wack... make it that you can only place a bounty on people you can fire up on.
i wonder what ccp thought when they put that?
the system needs to be improved some how.
support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo
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Indira Firebrand
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Posted - 2003.08.26 11:24:00 -
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once thy have a bounty placed on them irregardless of their security rating they should be fair game anywhere!
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Jarrick Camdar
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Posted - 2003.08.26 13:51:00 -
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The system needs to be tweaked so that the bad guys don't say to themselves "Hmm. Looks like -4.9 is a good place to be... I can be a bad ass and not suffer any consequences!"
The game the way it stands is wimping out when it comes to PvP. This game would certainly have an extra thrill if there was a chance you might face combat from players. Right now no one wants to face the consequences.
Jarrick
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.26 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 26/08/2003 14:23:33
Jolo
"I can't see why concord kills you for fighting a negative security person. that's why its there right? So you know who is good and who isn't. if you obey the law, you get a positive sec status. if you have any negative, i should be able to blast you to dust on the steps of the galatic capital. doesn't that make sense?"
... No, it doesn't; your security rating doesn't tell who is 'good' and who isn't. It merely tells who's involved in destruction of property and/or life, without providing any background behind such acts.
Further to the point; if you obey the law, you don't get positive security -- you're just not penalized with negative security. And getting negative security is as easy as activating your smartbomb near a station by mistake, or firing one too many missiles in the 'sanctioned' fight. None of those are actions which would justify 'blasting them to dust' by a self-appointed sheriff. :s
Indira
"once thy have a bounty placed on them irregardless of their security rating they should be fair game anywhere!"
Check this thread to see how easy would that be to abuse.
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Jahbulon
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Posted - 2003.08.26 14:33:00 -
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The problem, as I see it, is trying to mentally reconcile what sec system you're in against the sec of the attacker or wanted person.
The game could make it much, much easier by having a coloured targetting thing, like the yellow / orange / red system now. In other words, use another colour, like blue, to signify "you can fire on this person in this system and you won't take a sec hit or be destroyed by concord". |
Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.26 14:34:00 -
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Not everyone with a negative rating and a bounty deserves to be attacked by a clueless carebear like you.
That's why I am glad, that CONCORD destroyed your ship by protecting the other guy.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.26 14:40:00 -
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I'm amazed by the people who in the same breath, complain about them losing security status and being destroyed by Concorde for attacking another negative sec player, and then loudly declare they should be able to incinerate any negative sec player anywhere.
Killing and podding one person will take you down to -2.5 I think. (If you are at 0.0) I am not sure, because I've never actually destroyed anyone in Empire space, just levied tolls.
However there are thousands of reasons a person might get a small negative security - blowing up someones drone by mistake, shooting someone once by mistake, wayward missiles impacting on stations, poorly timed smartbombs hitting a gate - all kinds of things.
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Amairgen
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Posted - 2003.08.26 15:02:00 -
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Don't suppose you're the Ulstan from DAoC Bedevere are ya ?
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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.08.26 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jolo on 26/08/2003 17:19:05
Molly: Quote:
Not everyone with a negative rating and a bounty deserves to be attacked by a clueless carebear like you.
That's why I am glad, that CONCORD destroyed your ship by protecting the other guy.
please note the other guy was harrassing miners. I am also not a carebear thank you.
I thought you quit anyways, you still here?
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.08.26 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 26/08/2003 18:01:26
How can you be a so called carebear if you're attacking other people and engaging in PvP? That Molly really must be 10 years old.
Oh and about ShockAndAwe, that retard really should be banned for griefing.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.26 17:59:00 -
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Don't pay attention to Molly.
Nobody else does.
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Indira Firebrand
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Posted - 2003.08.26 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Indira Firebrand on 26/08/2003 18:41:23
Edited by: Indira Firebrand on 26/08/2003 18:41:08
Josephine...
I must be stupid because I dont see how that thread relates at all
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Quince al'Pillan
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Posted - 2003.08.26 19:49:00 -
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sure am glad i hadn't read this before concord nuked my battleship too. wish there was some warning. or something. Uberconcord sucks. chalk it up to lesson learned. back to mining!
Well there IS a warning... most people just turn it off immediately. Its a little popup box that comes up when you click to activate hostile weapons. Remember that one?
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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.08.26 20:29:00 -
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it's a pointless warning. there should be some way to tell who you can shoot, when and where.
not have to do some math with decimals.
If an ore thief is firing missles and messing with people on purpose i should be able to cap him.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.27 00:00:00 -
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"I must be stupid because I dont see how that thread relates at all"
... You suggested that anyone with a bounty on their head should be a free target anyone can shoot without consequences. Perhaps presuming the bounties are something that's put only on people who deserve this and thus such treatment... but note, little stops the 'bad guys' from using such system (be it official bounties or otherwise) to their own advantage. The thread i pointed out was just a sample of how it can be done.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.27 03:57:00 -
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"please note the other guy was harrassing miners. I am also not a carebear thank you.
I thought you quit anyways, you still here?"
Just make sure you shoot people with -5.0 or lower and you do not need to start a big whine on the forums.
End of story.
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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.08.27 04:00:00 -
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I forgot Molly was the true voice of the Forums. Don't decide what's fit to print here.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.08.27 04:20:00 -
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After reading your posts from 2 different chars I still see only carebear whining containing words like "exploit", "harassing miners", "bad guys" and so on.
And all because you have lost a ship to an ore thief by shooting him in a high security zone (BTW did he steal from you  ?).
Choose some:
[ ] Know the rules,
[ ] realize that not everyone with a bounty or negative security rating is a "bad guy",
[ ] use secure containers against ore thievery,
[ ] suck it up and learn from your mistake,
[ ] lose a ship due to own nescience,
[ ] call the game broken,
[ ] request a FoF-fire button,
[ ] threaten indirectly to quit,
[ ] post unoriginal whinage on the forums.
And so on.
I have my reasons why I am happy about your loss to CONCORD. Because I have been shot 2 times by buffoons like ROLF and Technolisa who thought that I am a pirate or something (at this time I was a miner). FYI: Criminals have rights too  .
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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.08.27 06:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jolo on 27/08/2003 06:11:03
Secure cans are still jacked. 2 of them dont even work. The person uses missles to splash damage the cans and blow them up. He would warp to every belt, and trahs everyones cans, just to **** people off. Molly why do you have to be so negative. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
BTW: I am no fool, I respect people who respect me, if A pirate blockades a route, and is nice and cool about the situation, that's fine. But some people are in the game just to **** people off and not for fun. Just to amuse themselves at the expense of people who have a different vision of fun gameplay. I can tell when someone is being a ***** and when someone is legitimatly playing a pirate role.
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GRIMS REAPER
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Posted - 2003.08.27 09:13:00 -
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[Pulls out the marshmellows]might as well with the flaming thats going on in this thread.
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Kimi
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Posted - 2003.08.27 09:19:00 -
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"I don't read the endless supply of patch notes as thoroughly as I should ..."
An "endless supply"????????
You must have some serious reading disabilities.
Patches come out about every 3 to 4 weeks.
Patch notes consist of usually 2-3 pages of plain text, max.
IMO, Darwin was right...
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.08.27 10:17:00 -
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It would be helpful if instead of just 'wanted' over all neg status portraits there was 'wanted' for non-kill-on-sight pilots and 'wanted, dead or alive' for kill-on-sight (ie -5 and below) pilots.
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Jarrick Camdar
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Posted - 2003.08.27 18:27:00 -
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"I don't read the endless supply of patch notes as thoroughly as I should ..."
An "endless supply"????????
You must have some serious reading disabilities.
Patches come out about every 3 to 4 weeks.
Patch notes consist of usually 2-3 pages of plain text, max.
IMO, Darwin was right...
Interesting, you think that I'm a Darwinian weak link because I don't carefully read CCP patch notes? I think you need to get outside more : )
I know a lot of people that are currently playing this game on cruise-control. Raising their stats, mining from time to time and waiting for the population to rise and the game to be improved.
Seems its being steered the wrong way.
Whatever a carebear is, it's not me. I loved the RvR in DAoC. I want to see players mix it up. Kill and be killed. It would be great for the player economy, and add a little something to the game... something called, I don't know... excitement?
Argue what you will about how the game should work PvP - but what ShockandAwe has been doing is an exploit, a soft one no doubt, but still not the game working as intended : P
Hey, if he can get away with it and CCP doesn't care, more power to him, I guess. Not sure what's going to happen to the players cruising this game to see if it works out, though.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.27 19:28:00 -
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"Don't suppose you're the Ulstan from DAoC Bedevere are ya ?
Amairgen"
Actually yes, that is me.
And it's pointless (and misleading) to call what ShockandAwe is doing an exploit. Exploits are things people get banned for, usually for taking advantage of a *bug* in the code.
A *bug* should not be confused with a design flaw on CCP's part.
Let me elaborate
- Finding a bug that lets you move around in 1.0 space w/out police attacking you and continually using this to kill players - exploit.
- Being attacked by police in 1.0, but these police being too weak to hurt you, so you go around killing players - not an exploit. CCP should've made the police stronger.
Shockandawe is not taking advantage of a bug. He is taking advantage of people's ignorance. It is CCP's fault (or theirs) that they are ignorant, not ShockandAwe's.
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Battle Arena
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Posted - 2003.08.28 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Battle Arena on 28/08/2003 00:14:10
I've had a run in with this character before. Apparently his reasons for his action are becuase he hates CCP policies about pirate rules, I've not seen him for a couple of days in Tash-Murkon but I remember him saying that all players with bounties should be fair game. In some respects I have to agree with that. He's just a protester trying to make a point which we all feel the same way about.
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Jarrick Camdar
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Posted - 2003.08.28 02:05:00 -
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And it's pointless (and misleading) to call what ShockandAwe is doing an exploit. Exploits are things people get banned for, usually for taking advantage of a *bug* in the code.
Let me reiterate what may not be clear regarding my encounter and destruction: bravo ShockandAwe. I don't blame him, in fact I hope his crusade against the rules as they stand continues and finds success, because as I've stated above they do not encourage conflict which should be central in this game.
BUT this old hair splitting argument about what is and what is not an exploit is nothing but semantics. Go check a dictionary and see what exploit means.
How about this instead - ShockandAwe is "taking advantage" of the mechanics of the game in a way which was not the intention of CCP when they instituted said mechanics, and he is profitting from said "advantage taking". CCP did not originally intend for anyone to be instantly dismantled by cops - it was a patchwork response to *****ing and whining on this very board. And those of us that started this game hoping to be bounty hunters couldn't be more disappointed with the bounty system...
May ShockandAwe's risk free pseudo-pirateness serve to illustrate a need for change, and soon. Amen.
Jarrick
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