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Jered Hakaaros
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.02 00:06:00 -
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Greetings people! Im sure many of you, like me, tried to get friends into this game and often failed miserably. I made the experience that it is neither the steep learning curve nor the harsh survivalist-style gameplay this game is known for. No, usually it comes down to two questions, and then its over for most potential newcomers:
1) Can I walk in stations and interact with other players?
2) Can I pilot my ship directly?
After people discover that the answer to those is "no", its over, they either quit or dont try it in the first place, which brings a tear to my eye every time. Even I only tried it because a friend practically threatened me to try this game. Now we all know that piloting the ship directly is simply not technically possible if you want a single-shard universe with massive battles. On the contrary, after getting used to Eve I even complain about other twitch-based space game, because Eve lets me position my ship exactly where I want it. Different method, same or better result.
Which leaves Walk in Stations. Yeah, there will probably be a lot "Posting in another WiS thread" and thats fine. But thats also how it should be! Work on WiS exist, as far as we know, for a better five years, yet has never been implemented. The games growth would rise significantly, and, not to forget, this is the key feature to finally improve on that dreadful female-player rating, which would open Eve up to a whole new crowd of players.
In the end that is no real news, but all people in favor have to stay vocal about this and keep getting heard on a regular basis, otherwise we end up with even more rebalancing or rather underwhelming content. I love this game and want to get people into it, but Eve is just making this task damn hard for all the wrong reasons. |
The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
43
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Posted - 2013.10.02 00:08:00 -
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dude what are you talking about...
the oculus rift is more useful in this game than any other...
I can see more spreadsheets at 1 time |
SpoonRECKLESS
Veldspar United
54
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Posted - 2013.10.02 00:08:00 -
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I'm still here tho. Then again I am a fool for believing in an open sandbox of freedom allowing me to ruin or be ruined by a fellow eve player. WIS is cool idea but it should be its own game when I think of it. Like sims in space with body parts in low gravity.
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Eggs Ackley
49
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Posted - 2013.10.02 00:16:00 -
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Hey there is always Secret World.
Why do you have to walk in stations to interact with others? Is this fashion week? |
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.10.02 01:02:00 -
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Jered Hakaaros wrote:
1) Can I walk in stations and interact with other players?
2) Can I pilot my ship directly?
1) No
2) No
Any questions?
Dust is that way > |
Garandras
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
11
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Posted - 2013.10.02 01:05:00 -
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but you can pilot your ship directly..
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Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
28
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:01:00 -
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I"m going to start kneecapping people who say direct piloting isn't possible because of the servers.
You can howl "EVE has consequences" without context or explanation at whoever you like. This will not make it true. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3013
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:16:00 -
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Eggs Ackley wrote:Hey there is always Secret World.
Why do you have to walk in stations to interact with others? Is this fashion week?
By the same token, why do you need to see a ship to have combat?
EVE could save a bundle by scrapping what they have and making each system into a Checkers board. Immersion be damned!
Some of you people are just too much!
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
488
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:38:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:By the same token, why do you need to see a ship to have combat?
EVE could save a bundle by scrapping what they have and making each system into a Checkers board. Or this. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6082
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:49:00 -
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I think the biggest No-Go in eve history was when they left the "Go back to WoW" button out of the esc menu.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Rhes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
348
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:50:00 -
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You can manually pilot your ship and you can walk in stations. You're wrong on both points. |
Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
30
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:57:00 -
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Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:I"m going to start kneecapping people who say direct piloting isn't possible because of the servers.
Why does the truth make you so angry.
OP: Go look at Star Citizen. Looks like it's more your type. |
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
28
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Posted - 2013.10.02 04:45:00 -
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Literally Space Moses wrote:
Why does the truth make you so angry.
Eve already uses mid-tick caching. If there is a reason direct piloting would be hard to code, it's probably client side.
I have a suspicion that bittervet syndrome is linked to the realization you can have a full rack of neutron cannons, and still be just as impotent as you are when bound by the social contract. |
Mr Pragmatic
666
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Posted - 2013.10.02 04:49:00 -
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I have a dream! That one day eve characters can interact with one another not separated by walls! A dream where WASD makes more sense! A simple dream, but the eveleetists have no idea how stupid they sound.
Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
2952
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Posted - 2013.10.02 04:58:00 -
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Jered Hakaaros wrote:Greetings people! Im sure many of you, like me, tried to get friends into this game and often failed miserably. I made the experience that it is neither the steep learning curve nor the harsh survivalist-style gameplay this game is known for. No, usually it comes down to two questions, and then its over for most potential newcomers:
1) Can I walk in stations and interact with other players?
2) Can I pilot my ship directly?
After people discover that the answer to those is "no", its over, they either quit or dont try it in the first place, which brings a tear to my eye every time. Even I only tried it because a friend practically threatened me to try this game. Now we all know that piloting the ship directly is simply not technically possible if you want a single-shard universe with massive battles. On the contrary, after getting used to Eve I even complain about other twitch-based space game, because Eve lets me position my ship exactly where I want it. Different method, same or better result.
Which leaves Walk in Stations. Yeah, there will probably be a lot "Posting in another WiS thread" and thats fine. But thats also how it should be! Work on WiS exist, as far as we know, for a better five years, yet has never been implemented. The games growth would rise significantly, and, not to forget, this is the key feature to finally improve on that dreadful female-player rating, which would open Eve up to a whole new crowd of players.
In the end that is no real news, but all people in favor have to stay vocal about this and keep getting heard on a regular basis, otherwise we end up with even more rebalancing or rather underwhelming content. I love this game and want to get people into it, but Eve is just making this task damn hard for all the wrong reasons.
Underlined the main motivation of this post. In short, it's the same ole "appeal to CCPs wallet" thing again.
The existing fanbase has spoken and wants CCP to conentrate on the SPACE part of this spaceship game. Doing other wise would do 2 things:
1. Alienate the existing fanbase
2. Attract people to a SPACEship game who aren't into SPACE.
The 2nd one is the reason CCP is doing the right thing right now. The people who play EVE right now love space ships, mostly don't give a flip about piloting spaceships (I for one play this game because I like being the CAPTAIN of my ship, not it's pilot) and could care less about walking around. Who the hell needs feet when you have Warp Capability? Changing that means EVe would be flooded by these happy-go-lucky themeparkers who wouldn't stay very long no matter what you do.
The OP might think it's a good thing to trade dedicated players (many of whom buy multiple accounts to do even more things in space) for people who aren't interested in the main theme of EVE online (SPACEships), but I think the idea is dumb.
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Rich Uncle PennyBags
EVE Online Monopoly
25
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Posted - 2013.10.02 05:00:00 -
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You can manually pilot your ship by double clicking in the direction you want to go.
Half of your argument is invalid. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
348
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Posted - 2013.10.02 05:06:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The OP might think it's a good thing to trade dedicated players (many of whom buy multiple accounts to do even more things in space) for people who aren't interested in the main theme of EVE online (SPACEships), but I think the idea is dumb.
I remember when SOE tried to trade the existing players of Star Wars Galaxies for new players...it didn't work out so great for them. Same thing would happen to Eve. |
Arrunca
Quator Finance
4
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Posted - 2013.10.02 05:19:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The OP might think it's a good thing to trade dedicated players (many of whom buy multiple accounts to do even more things in space) for people who aren't interested in the main theme of EVE online (SPACEships), but I think the idea is dumb. I remember when SOE tried to trade the existing players of Star Wars Galaxies for new players...it didn't work out so great for them. Same thing would happen to Eve.
Lost my good old Rodian Commando/Bounty Hunter/Carbineer in that downgrade. Went from being able to turn everything within 50 meters on fire with a single shot, to running around like a ******** numb guy on speed. NO THANKS! NOT FOR EVE! |
Eliose Lucian
Midnight Savran Industries
13
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Posted - 2013.10.02 06:06:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
The OP might think it's a good thing to trade dedicated players (many of whom buy multiple accounts to do even more things in space) for people who aren't interested in the main theme of EVE online (SPACEships), but I think the idea is dumb.
What do you mean by trade? Would you really leave the game if they added some more to WiS?  I wouldn't, although I wouldn't really use it either. It would be like current WiS, take it or leave it. I highly doubt CCP would make it a requirement to WALK too your agents.
Sic Semper Tyrannis |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
349
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Posted - 2013.10.02 06:16:00 -
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Quote:they either quit or dont try it in the first place, which brings a tear to my eye every time.
CCP, the best tear extractor ever. 
Protect yourself from CONCORD today! Tinfoil hats, quality product. Styled after pirate hats. |
Tao Dolcino
Confederation Navy Research
Epsilon Fleet
143
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Posted - 2013.10.02 06:29:00 -
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I agree with you OP, i would love to see a true rich and exciting WiS, with some missions, some social interaction, some exploration, crafting materials, etc...
I would enjoy to play it with my pilot character, and after all, it's what CCP promised. But they have blatantly lied to us, leading to two catastrophs in one :
1) They have released the most shamefully useless expansion of all the history of the video games (Incarna), leading to the biggest riot ever seen in the history of the video games (for now, because i bet the next one will also concern EVE... dunno why, just a feeling  ).
2) Doing that, they have killed the project WiS, or maybe we will get some crumbs again in a few years. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2025
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Posted - 2013.10.02 06:57:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Eggs Ackley wrote:Hey there is always Secret World.
Why do you have to walk in stations to interact with others? Is this fashion week? By the same token, why do you need to see a ship to have combat? EVE could save a bundle by scrapping what they have and making each system into a Checkers board. Immersion be damned! Some of you people are just too much! Mr Epeen
Text-based EVE NAO!
The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
1155
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Posted - 2013.10.02 07:54:00 -
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Jered Hakaaros wrote:1) Can I walk in stations and interact with other players?
2) Can I pilot my ship directly?
1) Yes. The chat function still works while you are walking in stations. As well as market, scamming, declaring war, joining a corporation, and other methods of interacting with other people.
2) Yes. Double-click in space in the direction you want to go. |
Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2013.10.02 08:04:00 -
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Not only can you doubleclick in space for manual piloting,
there are keybinds for acceleration and decelleration.
Not "full speed" and "halt", but actual acc- and decelleration. |
Jered Hakaaros
Viziam
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.10.02 08:15:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Jered Hakaaros wrote:1) Can I walk in stations and interact with other players?
2) Can I pilot my ship directly? 1) Yes. The chat function still works while you are walking in stations. As well as market, scamming, declaring war, joining a corporation, and other methods of interacting with other people. 2) Yes. Double-click in space in the direction you want to go.
Heh, you do not have to convince me :) Im playing this game aint I? Im talking about a great number of potential newcomers. Yes, we have a slowly growing playerbase and thats cool I suppose. For Eve, this might be enough. Is it enough for all other projects CCP has planned? Is it enough to support Dust (which apparently isnt going anywhere), Valkyrie, WoD and an evergrowing New Eden? When I look at the change-logs for Odyssey and the planned ones for Rubicon, I fear that answer is no.
Odyssey made some old players coming back to see the changes, Rubicon will do that too. But what about truly new players, our future legacy? They dont care about exploration changes or High-sec POCOs, because they wont know about any of those things unless they have actually played Eve for a while. So how can we get them to that point?
WiS might be cosmetic, and yeeeah we all know its about "spaceships", old argument there. But a game isnt simply about spaceships, its about immersion. The more players can identify with the game world, the more they feel at home there, and the more likely they are to stay. Yes, it is that simple. Of course, you can all downplay this argument, maybe because you do not want to get your hopes up, maybe because you want to stay elitist, but unless some major change in immersion happens, Eve will continue to alienate the great majority of potential fresh meat. |
Luwc
Easy Co.
Fatal Ascension
10
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Posted - 2013.10.02 08:28:00 -
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http://www.whalethen.com/files/c3d0981ae770f926eedf4eda7505b006.jpeg |
Prince Kobol
953
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:32:00 -
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Whilst having walk in station might be good eye candy, they need to have an effect on game play otherwise what is the point?
Having them for the sake of having them is just a waste of manpower which is better spent on other things
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Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
128
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:34:00 -
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wasdwadsdwadwadasdwadwsdaadsasd |
Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
197
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:37:00 -
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The Greenmachine Greenmachine wrote:dude what are you talking about...
the oculus rift is more useful in this game than any other...
I can see more spreadsheets at 1 time
z-axis mang. profit cubed.
freelance space bum |
Mythrandier
Spacelane Salvage
58
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Posted - 2013.10.02 09:45:00 -
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Jered Hakaaros wrote: The games growth would rise significantly, and, not to forget, this is the key feature to finally improve on that dreadful female-player rating, which would open Eve up to a whole new crowd of players.
Smells like special pleading to me, but IGÇÖll give you the benefit of doubt and ask you to present the evidence you have for such a bold statement.
Rhes wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The OP might think it's a good thing to trade dedicated players (many of whom buy multiple accounts to do even more things in space) for people who aren't interested in the main theme of EVE online (SPACEships), but I think the idea is dumb. I remember when SOE tried to trade the existing players of Star Wars Galaxies for new players...it didn't work out so great for them. Same thing would happen to Eve.
As old SWGvet, I could not agree more.
"It is better to light a flame thrower than curse the darkness." --á T. Pratchett. |
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