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thedragoon	Posted - 2006.01.21 07:39:00 - [1] How is it that you guys are Pos waring it up north but you said you were not getting into POS wars and you would not own space. the fact that you are trying to pick on a smaller alliance tells truth about the extent RA owned you not just in the POS war but Pvp as well? And how come Pa still have sov in most systems yet you are giving them 1 week to leave. Is it not time Five go to empire where your members might get to mine in peace??? No smak intended i really want to know thease things. What have we killed today - Burn Eden Kill Board
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2006.01.21 07:45:00 - [2] ____________ HC MasiEEE
MrSpock	Posted - 2006.01.21 07:47:00 - [3] End yourself. The one and only Operation Infinite Justice
thedragoon	Posted - 2006.01.21 07:47:00 - [4] Originally by: MrSpock End yourself. I belive i ended you not 2 weeks ago P.S thanks for the loot. What have we killed today - Burn Eden Kill Board
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.01.21 07:52:00 - [5] I thought PA was dead?
MrSpock	Posted - 2006.01.21 07:54:00 - [6] Originally by: thedragoon Originally by: MrSpock End yourself. I belive i ended you not 2 weeks ago P.S thanks for the loot. Lloyd, you can't triple stamp a double stamp. No erasees. The one and only Operation Infinite Justice
LUKKAT	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:06:00 - [7] I know a guy
DJBoo	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:07:00 - [8] I prefer hershey, PA , mmmm love those Chocolates!, viva A Chocolate LA!!!! PA REVOLUTION!!!! LOUD!!!!!!!!!!
Namelesz	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:07:00 - [9] I have elbows!!! "notify: Only ships can be assembled, this is a Elite Frigate."
AngryTex	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:09:00 - [10] I am a BE fanboi!
RedPhoenix	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:10:00 - [11] /me runs around the room naked eating cheetos looking for a beanbag chair
LadyScarlet	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:12:00 - [12] Edited by: LadyScarlet on 21/01/2006 08:15:50 omg end yourself and actuly try to acomplish something in game beside forum trolling or better yet why dont you go pos war ra and tell us in 3-4 months how many pos you had to put up to counter thiers. on a side note atleast pa are alot more fun /me rolls eyes
Trae Tore	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:12:00 - [13] BE has left the station... so what's the new setup now that they nerfed your remote sensor dampened ravens? Is it 5 WCS and run?
Senator Palpatine	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:14:00 - [14] I have read this thread forward and backward, and I can therefore approve of this message. Also, my lightsaber will eat up Nebba's red candle.
Goa'en	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:14:00 - [15] Originally by: LUKKAT I know a guy that know¦s a guy
Cyberslob	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Goa'en Originally by: LUKKAT I know a guy that know¦s a guy I heard about him.
Phantom DarkMagic	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Cyberslob Originally by: Goa'en Originally by: LUKKAT I know a guy that know¦s a guy I heard about him. Was that the guy with the thing?
LUKKAT	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Cyberslob Originally by: Goa'en Originally by: LUKKAT I know a guy that know¦s a guy I heard about him. was a really nice guy now he just a warpcore stab wearing forum *****
Total Hotness	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:17:00 - [19] Thats Hot!
Derikku	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:19:00 - [20] Originally by: Phantom DarkMagic Originally by: Cyberslob Originally by: Goa'en Originally by: LUKKAT I know a guy that know¦s a guy I heard about him. Was that the guy with the thing? He put that thing in that place where the people were that time?
Gildarp	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:20:00 - [21] Can I buy isk directly from Zerender or do I have to go through eBay and pay the eBay fees?
Smith	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:23:00 - [22] I can only assume you are board or you cant fly in EvE anymore because your setups are gimped. Am I correct on either of these assumptions?
Don Shinra	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Smith I can only assume you are board or you cant fly in EvE anymore because your setups are gimped. Am I correct on either of these assumptions? Like a wooden board? Or a plastic board, with a dry eraser? Shinra
Belian	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Smith I can only assume you are board or you cant fly in EvE anymore because your setups are gimped. Am I correct on either of these assumptions? who are you ?
Unknown Subject	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:25:00 - [25] lol this is what happens when people without the facts want to get popular by thinking they have the facts. thedragoon, grow up please.
Phantom DarkMagic	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:25:00 - [26] Originally by: Smith I can only assume you are board or you cant fly in EvE anymore because your setups are gimped. Am I correct on either of these assumptions? who's made of board? I can make stick men out of trees
Smith	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:25:00 - [27] Originally by: Belian Originally by: Smith I can only assume you are board or you cant fly in EvE anymore because your setups are gimped. Am I correct on either of these assumptions? who are you ? Who are you?
Phantom DarkMagic	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:32:00 - [28] Edited by: Phantom DarkMagic on 21/01/2006 08:40:04 Why dont you choke on a fishbone. I hate you all! Ich bin Schnappi, das kleine Krokodil Komm aus -gypten,das liegt direkt am Nil Zuerst lag ich in einem Ei dann schni-,schna-,schnappte ich mich frei Schni Schna Schnappi Schnappi Schnappi Schnapp Schni Schna Schnappi Schnappi Schnappi Schnapp Edit felt bad about making you suffer the whole song Edit
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:38:00 - [29] Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 21/01/2006 08:39:30 to give a serious answer to the op, i mean u gotta honour ppl who use their mains these days ;), the reds at that time stated they couldnt win the fight with battles, as the 5 could field bigger fleets, and imo better ones, too ;) so they brought in small poses, before dt, rarely anchoring a gun int hem - just usin the small cheap towers as a time sink. a very effective timesink, dreads werent common back then, and even with dreads only the reeeinforced time wouldve bored us out. its a tactic that fits to the alliance Red has become to, with the way poses work now red wouldnt have get a single region back. another big reason is that atuk refused to help doin the borin work, they were up in the north having fun while the rest were doing the ****thing left. think its the atuk leaders in the end, that splitted 5 - we were stronger then every1 at the peak, but the leaders who were unable to get together screwed it up not only atuk - but mainly them, this is one of the main reasons why bob is so strong (respect to BL Molle and gilad there btw) but i also gotta say, atuk is doin now what they seem to be doing best - killing on their own, and they do a good job it seems when u checked the forums recently. my litle honest opinion - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.01.21 08:42:00 - [30] Originally by: thedragoon Is it not time Five go to empire where your members might get to mine in peace??? Originally by: thedragoon No smak intended i really want to know thease things. Lol, yes, no smack intended. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
thedragoon	Posted - 2006.01.21 09:28:00 - [31] Originally by: Snake Jankins Edited by: Snake Jankins on 21/01/2006 08:49:17 Originally by: thedragoon Is it not time Five go to empire where your members might get to mine in peace??? Originally by: thedragoon No smak intended i really want to know thease things. Lol, yes, no smack intended. edit: Well, BE, thought your main target is RA now. Already looking for an alternative ? no TARGET red is in fire :) as for the post talking about our setups being gimped look at the link below. What have we killed today - Burn Eden Kill Board
F'nog	Posted - 2006.01.21 09:34:00 - [32] I'm constantly amazed that Dragoon is still allowed to post here. Originally by: rowbin hod Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
Darkrydar	Posted - 2006.01.21 09:37:00 - [33] IN THE FACE!
The Enslaver	Posted - 2006.01.21 09:58:00 - [34] -------- Shinra Director
Grey Stone	Posted - 2006.01.21 10:09:00 - [35] Edited by: Grey Stone on 21/01/2006 10:09:30 nvm
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.01.21 10:10:00 - [36] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Well. Good post. I`ll try to show you my POV on this. In first few weeks RED lost almost all theyr regions. War was very succesefull for [5]. Here comes first mistake : Lack of noble (or how i need to spell this word, damn ). You know, its very hard to fight your opponent, when you are respecting him. Instead, 5ive guys begin to insult RED. I`m ok with personal insults (i just don`t care about that), but they started to smack our nation ("Russian pigs", anyone ?). Yes, 5ive guys will enter this topic now, and will say "hey, you began that first" - i don`t know who began that. Russians was very angry on that - Fact. So, we began to play this game to win. Anger lead to dedication, in our case. For example, RAT spent 3 days, 17 hours per day online, killing POSes in Immensea. Here is quote from our corp forum (translated to english). Quote: Thug, we are very tired. We haven`t shoot players for 3 days. But if we need to shoot poses to win in this war - i`ll cry, but will shoot em. 16 hours per day. Bright example, eh ? Second mistake : Propaganda. Very little percentage of russian speaking ppl - reading eve-o forums. But 5 start numerous topics, about "Hey, we are uber. Russians - surrender, or die". In my opinion - propaganda aimed on mmm (lack of english again ) - ppl, who not intented to fight. Miners got ganked -> unable to mine -> read eve-o forums -> ohnoes, everything is bad -> lets leave this lousy alliance -> whine -> minus morale for all alliance. But what we can see in this time ? Corps, instead of leaving RED - only joined to them. I was very glad to see, that russian players not splitted during hard times, but unite, instead. [SABOT], [DEV1L], [FSP-B], [CWRA] - joined RED in the hardest time for alliance. So, instead of split - 5ive got "omg, they are spreading lie. lets punish em". Because this forum is read only by leaders of RED. So, leader just needed to told his guys - "they called us <insert insult here> - lets kill them". And the last, but not least. Corps in Five - are not equal to each other. ATUK - started this war. Why they couldn`t stay there to the end ? Instead, they used all 5 corps as cannon fodder, and left to the north, searching for easy kills. Yes, they found it. But when they came back - was too late. SNRA & M.Corp - didn`t want to continue this fight. BOS - left on theyr own - to syndicate. Only ATUK wanted to continue fight. They got bored with us (RAT) in Detorid, when every side sat @ pos, and wait for the enemy to make mistake. This is my opinion. Sure, it is biased, but its always intresting to see what happened, from another POV. Hope you enjoyed it. ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust
Haematite	Posted - 2006.01.21 10:21:00 - [37] Edited by: Haematite on 21/01/2006 10:21:23 Originally by: thedragoon Originally by: Snake Jankins Edited by: Snake Jankins on 21/01/2006 08:49:17 Originally by: thedragoon Is it not time Five go to empire where your members might get to mine in peace??? Originally by: thedragoon No smak intended i really want to know thease things. Lol, yes, no smack intended. edit: Well, BE, thought your main target is RA now. Already looking for an alternative ? no TARGET red is in fire :) as for the post talking about our setups being gimped look at the link below. Wonder how long till the mods see that link and remove it. ----- Our Enemy call us GM's, they are not wrong, we are Masters of our Game.
Calisto Cody	Posted - 2006.01.21 10:25:00 - [38] if you ignore the first page we are getting some nice non flame answers to questions many residents of eve have wondered. Signature removed, allowed image dimensions are 400w x 120h. --Jorauk grrrr now i need to ask someone to shrink my sig
Wildmeister	Posted - 2006.01.21 10:27:00 - [39] Also, POS wars changed to an extent, unlike before small tower < medium tower < large tower.
ZedLey	Posted - 2006.01.21 10:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Evil Thug ...story... Theres always 2 sides of it ;)
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.01.21 10:37:00 - [41] Originally by: F'nog I'm constantly amazed that Dragoon is still allowed to post here. BE fit stabs even on the forums mate. "Abdalion has started trying to lock scramble your topic" - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
thoth foc	Posted - 2006.01.21 10:46:00 - [42] Originally by: thedragoon Edited by: thedragoon on 21/01/2006 07:45:50 How is it that you guys are Pos waring it up north but you said you were not getting into POS wars and you would not own space. the fact that you are trying to pick on a smaller alliance tells truth about the extent RA owned you not just in the POS war but Pvp as well? And how come Pa still have sov in most systems yet you are giving them 1 week to leave. Is it not time Five go to empire where your members might get to mine in peace??? Edit I would also like to add was it not PA and co that made your corps leave I,e shinra and M corp? And how does that make you feel? No smak intended i really want to know thease things. how can you claim to be a pvp corp and still not understand how to use a map browser? "PA have sov in most systems" really!?!? everyone seems to under the impression this area is NPC.. u gotta love clueless flamebait.. --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA
Darcuese	Posted - 2006.01.21 10:56:00 - [43] Originally by: thedragoon I just wanna thanks Darcuese for showing me few tricks in PvP I didnt know before....he is like God...I wish I could be like him well...p i s s off....you will never be [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]"I know a brother of Ronaldhino called Rethardihno, and his only 5 jumps away from me in space and usually few posts above me".
Dillon Arklight	Posted - 2006.01.21 11:10:00 - [44] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Well. Good post. I`ll try to show you my POV on this. In first few weeks RED lost almost all theyr regions. War was very succesefull for [5]. Here comes first mistake : Lack of noble (or how i need to spell this word, damn ). You know, its very hard to fight your opponent, when you are respecting him. Instead, 5ive guys begin to insult RED. I`m ok with personal insults (i just don`t care about that), but they started to smack our nation ("Russian pigs", anyone ?). Yes, 5ive guys will enter this topic now, and will say "hey, you began that first" - i don`t know who began that. Russians was very angry on that - Fact. So, we began to play this game to win. Anger lead to dedication, in our case. For example, RAT spent 3 days, 17 hours per day online, killing POSes in Immensea. Here is quote from our corp forum (translated to english). Quote: Thug, we are very tired. We haven`t shoot players for 3 days. But if we need to shoot poses to win in this war - i`ll cry, but will shoot em. 16 hours per day. Bright example, eh ? Second mistake : Propaganda. Very little percentage of russian speaking ppl - reading eve-o forums. But 5 start numerous topics, about "Hey, we are uber. Russians - surrender, or die". In my opinion - propaganda aimed on mmm (lack of english again ) - ppl, who not intented to fight. Miners got ganked -> unable to mine -> read eve-o forums -> ohnoes, everything is bad -> lets leave this lousy alliance -> whine -> minus morale for all alliance. But what we can see in this time ? Corps, instead of leaving RED - only joined to them. I was very glad to see, that russian players not splitted during hard times, but unite, instead. [SABOT], [DEV1L], [FSP-B], [CWRA] - joined RED in the hardest time for alliance. So, instead of split - 5ive got "omg, they are spreading lie. lets punish em". Because this forum is read only by leaders of RED. So, leader just needed to told his guys - "they called us <insert insult here> - lets kill them". And the last, but not least. Corps in Five - are not equal to each other. ATUK - started this war. Why they couldn`t stay there to the end ? Instead, they used all 5 corps as cannon fodder, and left to the north, searching for easy kills. Yes, they found it. But when they came back - was too late. SNRA & M.Corp - didn`t want to continue this fight. BOS - left on theyr own - to syndicate. Only ATUK wanted to continue fight. They got bored with us (RAT) in Detorid, when every side sat @ pos, and wait for the enemy to make mistake. This is my opinion. Sure, it is biased, but its always intresting to see what happened, from another POV. Hope you enjoyed it. Probably the best post this thread is going to get.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.01.21 11:13:00 - [45] RA guy> Are you guys at war with RA? us> er, yeah RA guy> Ah, that explains everything.....
Mr Raine	Posted - 2006.01.21 11:20:00 - [46] i love mining, i have all the skills trained up and every thing, pls come up here and hold my hand BE, we all need u, cant live with out u, raine,
Mr Raine	Posted - 2006.01.21 11:21:00 - [47] WTS bread for isk,
SATAN	Posted - 2006.01.21 11:30:00 - [48] Originally by: Mr Raine i love mining, i have all the skills trained up and every thing, pls come up here and hold my hand BE, we all need u, cant live with out u, raine, Dont worry, Sooner or later you and yours will be part of our loot run, as you have been before.
Mr Raine	Posted - 2006.01.21 11:33:00 - [49] i was meaning to ask how is the log off timer affecting burn eden now a'days, ?
anister	Posted - 2006.01.21 11:33:00 - [50] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists think its the atuk leaders in the end, that splitted 5 Only 2 corps decided to go their own way, 2 out of 5 is still a a minority ;] BOS has long standing operations that need to be finalised dating back from the beginning of last year, If i remember correctly "Operation Pimpsmack" was what it was originally called at the begining of 2005. Last year it was a case of removing forces from the region, currently it's a case of helping the habitants of the area now. We have not left the [5], Nor do we have any intentions of it. I have probably taken your quote and warped it entirely out of context, my apologies if thats the case =] ___
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.01.21 12:33:00 - [51] lmao Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
Elenia Kheynes	Posted - 2006.01.21 13:03:00 - [52] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 21/01/2006 08:39:30 to give a serious answer to the op, i mean u gotta honour ppl who use their mains these days ;), the reds at that time stated they couldnt win the fight with battles, as the 5 could field bigger fleets, and imo better ones, too ;) so they brought in small poses, before dt, rarely anchoring a gun int hem - just usin the small cheap towers as a time sink. a very effective timesink, dreads werent common back then, and even with dreads only the reeeinforced time wouldve bored us out. its a tactic that fits to the alliance Red has become to, with the way poses work now red wouldnt have get a single region back. another big reason is that atuk refused to help doin the borin work, they were up in the north having fun while the rest were doing the ***thing left. think its the atuk leaders in the end, that splitted 5 - we were stronger then every1 at the peak, but the leaders who were unable to get together screwed it up not only atuk - but mainly them, this is one of the main reasons why bob is so strong (respect to BL Molle and gilad there btw) but i also gotta say, atuk is doin now what they seem to be doing best - killing on their own, and they do a good job it seems when u checked the forums recently. my litle honest opinion Just shut up rexthor. It's a Burn eden bashing thread. everybody should post either of the following: -"[random comment about stabs]" -"[random offtopic]" -"[wahwahwah I don't like Burn Eden]" -"[wahwahwah I don't like fragm]" -"[wahwahwah I don't like something and I needed to post it on this thread because it's a Burn Eden threadÖ]" -"[wahwahwah]" -"badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger" -"[something related to sensor dampers nerf"] Now Rexthor, WHERE THE HELL DO YOU SEE YOU SEE FACTS ? Facts ain't allowed. And I'll make sure you get a forum warning for making a descent post in this thread. Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?*
XoxoTyH	Posted - 2006.01.21 14:15:00 - [53] Nice one, Elenia! _________________________________________________________
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2006.01.21 14:16:00 - [54] Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 21/01/2006 14:17:02 sry olyyy, and ya, i agree with evil htug. in the end the Red alliance were alot more dedicated. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Karrimdra	Posted - 2006.01.21 14:47:00 - [55] Can I be BE loot too? I've never been stupid enought o lose to wcs *****s yet... From nothing to something in just one corp!
Mark A	Posted - 2006.01.21 15:03:00 - [56] Edited by: Mark A on 21/01/2006 15:06:41 At the risk of dignifying this thread with a serious response... With PA it's not a POS war - we've taken down 1 POS so far, and it was more of a demonstration that even a large, heavily fortified POS, is now supremely vulnerable to a dread fleet. PA did try to gank one of the dreads by warping a fleet close in, but our support BS destroyed them all with no losses (and the dreads got a few kills also) while the dread had little trouble tanking their damage. Regarding RA, here's how it went: we played POS wars for a while (with Shinra doing most of the heavy lifting) and it worked, with RA eventually being beaten back to empire. That's probably when the smack peaked, the purpose of which is to rile up your enemy and get them to actually fight. Which it did. Sort of. As someone's already pointed out, the RA vs 5 conflict was at a time when POSs were in, sovereignty was easily obtained and dreads were not widely available. Having not been able to fight us successfully (with the exception of RAT's roving gank squads - props) RA switched tactics. They decided if they couldn't win in PvP they'd win on logistics - essentially they out-hauled us and bored us into submission at the same time. After many weeks of this, RA's sheer persistence paid off and Five decided to leave them to it. Whether this constitutes a victory or not depends on your point of view. However I worry about RA now - they are clearly over-extended and the territories they gained by default are already being eroded. Also with dreads being common now, claiming regions is now back to something you do with combat fleets rather than indys, and as such I think they are in a vulnerable position now. We'll see how that plays out in the next few weeks. I like the russians, always have, and they are never an enemy to be underestimated, that's for sure. ------- There is no lag in...BOARDING SHIP...
aeti	Posted - 2006.01.21 15:29:00 - [57] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Mark A and it was more of a demonstration that even a large, heavily fortified POS, is now supremely vulnerable to a dread fleet. Are dread allowed to tank ALL weapons, mounted on large pos ? Do PA had POS operator, to focus fire on 1 target, and not to spread firepower ? they focused all the pos guns on the same dread, warped their bs in close to the then had them all fire on it as well
Corey Grim	Posted - 2006.01.21 15:49:00 - [58] Originally by: Evil Thug This is my opinion. Sure, it is biased, but its always intresting to see what happened, from another POV. Hope you enjoyed it. That is good post Evil Thug... i would however like to ask you one question about things back then this question is only personal intrest about what happened and i hope we ignore things what happens today ok? so here it goes: why detorid was so high priority to RA when it wasnt so tactically important to you (i mean its location didnt affect RA¦s operations so much as some other station locations) ? if you dont want to answer its understandable but i still had to ask.
Ilmonstre	Posted - 2006.01.21 15:56:00 - [59] Originally by: aeti Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Mark A and it was more of a demonstration that even a large, heavily fortified POS, is now supremely vulnerable to a dread fleet. Are dread allowed to tank ALL weapons, mounted on large pos ? Do PA had POS operator, to focus fire on 1 target, and not to spread firepower ? they focused all the pos guns on the same dread, warped their bs in close to the then had them all fire on it as well you can not focus the fire on POS guns they target all on their own and never all guns on 1 target or atleast not what i have seen in the past with POS killing
Amthrianius	Posted - 2006.01.21 16:32:00 - [60] Edited by: Amthrianius on 21/01/2006 16:34:51 Originally by: Ilmonstre Originally by: aeti Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Mark A and it was more of a demonstration that even a large, heavily fortified POS, is now supremely vulnerable to a dread fleet. Are dread allowed to tank ALL weapons, mounted on large pos ? Do PA had POS operator, to focus fire on 1 target, and not to spread firepower ? they focused all the pos guns on the same dread, warped their bs in close to the then had them all fire on it as well you can not focus the fire on POS guns they target all on their own and never all guns on 1 target or atleast not what i have seen in the past with POS killing i think you can (not for sure ), you set it so the rest of the dreads have neutral standings and one dread has a personal standing of negative, so the pos only shoots him, ofc, you need to do this before he warps in. ---------------
Mark A	Posted - 2006.01.21 16:49:00 - [61] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Mark A and it was more of a demonstration that even a large, heavily fortified POS, is now supremely vulnerable to a dread fleet. Are dread allowed to tank ALL weapons, mounted on large pos ? Do PA had POS operator, to focus fire on 1 target, and not to spread firepower ? If you mean manipulating standings to single out 1 target, I'm pretty sure that's an exploit. ------- There is no lag in...BOARDING SHIP...
Cerridwehn Odessa	Posted - 2006.01.21 16:52:00 - [62] Hm.. was kinda interseted in this thread when i read the posters message.. but i read the rest of the first page and its just meaningless crap. Way to goooooooooooo
Kunming	Posted - 2006.01.21 17:07:00 - [63] Burn Eden throws a bone and all the dogs fight over it, BoB pats 5 on the back, some random ppl smack UDIE cause of remote damps, etc etc. Bah we need new kinds of conflict and much more drama, this is too boring to watch.. same ol' same ol' Where is the backstabbing, where is the conspiracy common guys? Website Killboard
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.01.21 17:18:00 - [64] focus fire doesn't work anymore, or our pos operator messed up something... I use no guns... i smack to death.
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.01.21 20:56:00 - [65] Originally by: Corey Grim That is good post Evil Thug... i would however like to ask you one question about things back then this question is only personal intrest about what happened and i hope we ignore things what happens today ok? so here it goes: why detorid was so high priority to RA when it wasnt so tactically important to you (i mean its location didnt affect RAґs operations so much as some other station locations) ? if you dont want to answer its understandable but i still had to ask. Answer is very simple : we (RAT.) - wanted to put here sponsored corps, to earn some money, for corp wallet. When you (CHIMP) started to attack Detorid - i get with all directors on TS - and we decided not to go to Detorid, to fight pos wars, since regions = weakness. I cant tell for RA, since we not linked with them so much, as everyone think. ----------------------------------------------- Ash to Ash Dust to Dust
The Clash	Posted - 2006.01.21 21:17:00 - [66] Originally by: Mr Raine WTS bread for isk, WTB Accounts on Ebay _________________ You can suck my battleship.
Corey Grim	Posted - 2006.01.21 23:05:00 - [67] Originally by: Evil Thug Answer is very simple : we (RAT.) - wanted to put here sponsored corps, to earn some money, for corp wallet. When you (CHIMP) started to attack Detorid - i get with all directors on TS - and we decided not to go to Detorid, to fight pos wars, since regions = weakness. I cant tell for RA, since we not linked with them so much, as everyone think. Thank you for your answer much appreciated.
doly	Posted - 2006.01.22 01:52:00 - [68] he dont you get bored be your self please stop making posting here you already the joke on this forum dont rub it in
Vina	Posted - 2006.01.22 02:15:00 - [69] And now for something that matters. SEASON 2 IS OVER!!! GODDAMNIT!!!! ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Malken	Posted - 2006.01.22 06:15:00 - [70] Fragm have been sighted using Tech3 equipment.
Faith Black	Posted - 2006.01.22 06:59:00 - [71] Edited by: Faith Black on 22/01/2006 07:00:54 Originally by: Evil Thug I cant tell for RA, since we not linked with them so much, as everyone think. well, I think that RAT aren't a part of RA, because they don't want to be involved into the burocratic and industrial alliance buisness, but want the freedom to go wherever they get some pvp action. So if RA has an interesting enemy where they could get some cool fleet fights, then RAT shows up, too. But if RAs daily pvp stuff looks boring, then RAT does their own thing to get some pvp action and fights here and there a bit. RAT are 'pvp *****s', who don't like daily alliance buisness / being under alliance command. (edit: evil filter, I wrote something like prostitutes ) Ok, was not the topic of that thread but, I think it doesn't matter much here.
theRaptor	Posted - 2006.01.22 07:43:00 - [72] Originally by: thedragoon And how come Pa still have sov in most systems yet you are giving them 1 week to leave. Thats funny because the map say's Guristas own Venal. I don't think you trust, in, my, self-righteous suicide.
larietta	Posted - 2006.01.22 11:24:00 - [73] Edited by: larietta on 22/01/2006 11:24:59 when 5 take over the area will thay let people not in there club do missions at the stations around there .
slip66	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:11:00 - [74] Originally by: Darkrydar IN THE FACE! lol
Dracorimus	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:58:00 - [75] Why does it concern BE what 5 do ? -
Flame Bait	Posted - 2006.01.23 10:23:00 - [76] CHEESE. I LOVE CHEESE!!
Der Pfaffe	Posted - 2006.01.23 11:02:00 - [77] Originally by: Shin Ra I thought PA was dead? Soon ______________ "Kill one frighten ten thousand" - Sun Tsu
HatePeace LoveWar	Posted - 2006.01.23 12:58:00 - [78] I think RA themselves will admit PvP wise we were the better of the two. Now that CCP has made some steps towards fixing the POS system were no doubt going to start moving ahead as the game intends.
Darcuese	Posted - 2006.01.23 13:28:00 - [79] Edited by: Darcuese on 23/01/2006 13:29:04 I just need to post in this section of forum cause i didnt for some time. And one day whole universe will realize that "The 5" is one of the best thing that happened in EVE. Green peace sort of....we clean this earth from garbage and dirt [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]"I know a brother of Ronaldhino called Rethardihno, and his only 5 jumps away from me in space and usually few posts above me".
Treebeard dk	Posted - 2006.01.24 12:21:00 - [80] Edited by: Treebeard dk on 24/01/2006 12:22:58 Originally by: thedragoon Edited by: thedragoon on 21/01/2006 07:45:50 How is it that you guys are Pos waring it up north but you said you were not getting into POS wars and you would not own space. the fact that you are trying to pick on a smaller alliance tells truth about the extent RA owned you not just in the POS war but Pvp as well? And how come Pa still have sov in most systems yet you are giving them 1 week to leave. Is it not time Five go to empire where your members might get to mine in peace??? Edit I would also like to add was it not PA and co that made your corps leave I,e shinra and M corp? And how does that make you feel? No smak intended i really want to know thease things. A serious reply on the topic, I know some has been answered already but here is my POV: Regarding to the owning of space and the POS wars, that statement came before the new sovr. rules in RMR and while we could have stayed and fought for the regions like we did for many a months, we saw no future in that, RA clearly had the upper hand with them having a solid playerbase online just before DT albe to deploy POS's. So we basicly decided to end the POS war and do something better, ONLY reason and none else. The rest is none of my business as we left the 5 although your last 2 questions (the ones you added with the edit) I can answer easily: PA had nothing to do with Shinra and M.corp leaving the 5, does not matter what anyone thinks or assume, we left because we had different goals as to what the alliance in generel had, meaning the alliance had no other clear goal than just killing stuff where those 2 corps were missing a clear goal, so we decided for one and went for it and it was not possible within the 5 so we made a new alliance. Thats as much truth as you can handle for one day gents Thug, good post from you and you too Mark, thats the kind of posts I come to read in this forum ! EDIT: typos
Selena Sellion	Posted - 2006.01.24 12:33:00 - [81] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Well. Good post. I`ll try to show you my POV on this. In first few weeks RED lost almost all theyr regions. War was very succesefull for [5]. Here comes first mistake : Lack of noble (or how i need to spell this word, damn ). You know, its very hard to fight your opponent, when you are respecting him. Instead, 5ive guys begin to insult RED. I`m ok with personal insults (i just don`t care about that), but they started to smack our nation ("Russian pigs", anyone ?). Yes, 5ive guys will enter this topic now, and will say "hey, you began that first" - i don`t know who began that. Russians was very angry on that - Fact. So, we began to play this game to win. Anger lead to dedication, in our case. For example, RAT spent 3 days, 17 hours per day online, killing POSes in Immensea. Here is quote from our corp forum (translated to english). Quote: Thug, we are very tired. We haven`t shoot players for 3 days. But if we need to shoot poses to win in this war - i`ll cry, but will shoot em. 16 hours per day. Bright example, eh ? Second mistake : Propaganda. Very little percentage of russian speaking ppl - reading eve-o forums. But 5 start numerous topics, about "Hey, we are uber. Russians - surrender, or die". In my opinion - propaganda aimed on mmm (lack of english again ) - ppl, who not intented to fight. Miners got ganked -> unable to mine -> read eve-o forums -> ohnoes, everything is bad -> lets leave this lousy alliance -> whine -> minus morale for all alliance. But what we can see in this time ? Corps, instead of leaving RED - only joined to them. I was very glad to see, that russian players not splitted during hard times, but unite, instead. [SABOT], [DEV1L], [FSP-B], [CWRA] - joined RED in the hardest time for alliance. So, instead of split - 5ive got "omg, they are spreading lie. lets punish em". Because this forum is read only by leaders of RED. So, leader just needed to told his guys - "they called us <insert insult here> - lets kill them". And the last, but not least. Corps in Five - are not equal to each other. ATUK - started this war. Why they couldn`t stay there to the end ? Instead, they used all 5 corps as cannon fodder, and left to the north, searching for easy kills. Yes, they found it. But when they came back - was too late. SNRA & M.Corp - didn`t want to continue this fight. BOS - left on theyr own - to syndicate. Only ATUK wanted to continue fight. They got bored with us (RAT) in Detorid, when every side sat @ pos, and wait for the enemy to make mistake. This is my opinion. Sure, it is biased, but its always intresting to see what happened, from another POV. Hope you enjoyed it. You are one of the biggest flaming smackers I have ever met, derailing countless good threads. However your opinion on the .5. v RA war is fairly spot on. If ATUK hadn't gone on their joyride to the north, RA would not exist now, and .5. possibly would still be together. Ahh well, this time around we are doing it right and no 100x small POS is going to stop us :P
Selena Sellion	Posted - 2006.01.24 12:35:00 - [82] Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar I think RA themselves will admit PvP wise we were the better of the two. Now that CCP has made some steps towards fixing the POS system were no doubt going to start moving ahead as the game intends. You and your corp werent there, didnt help, didnt participate, barely even gave encouragement. How would you know?
Gunship	Posted - 2006.01.24 13:24:00 - [83] Edited by: Gunship on 24/01/2006 13:25:10 A few remarks to add. First going back to my old CA days there is no question in my mind that RA had and still today have able fighters in there ranks. There is however a growing number of RA pilots with little or no real combat experience apart from being able to monitor local while mining. POS war we lost, but as other has noticed the outcome today might not be the same due to the changes. RA is now as big as CA was, controlling that size of area has already proven to be too much with Mcorp/Shinra/UKC easily being able to take the land they wanted. imho BE and RA are all "Dread"ding the day 5 comes back, thats why they keep making these posts. So you want to join us?
Selena Sellion	Posted - 2006.01.24 14:17:00 - [84] Originally by: Gunship Edited by: Gunship on 24/01/2006 13:25:10 A few remarks to add. First going back to my old CA days there is no question in my mind that RA had and still today have able fighters in there ranks. There is however a growing number of RA pilots with little or no real combat experience apart from being able to monitor local while mining. POS war we lost, but as other has noticed the outcome today might not be the same due to the changes. RA is now as big as CA was, controlling that size of area has already proven to be too much with Mcorp/Shinra/UKC easily being able to take the land they wanted. imho BE and RA are all "Dread"ding the day 5 comes back, thats why they keep making these posts. Logon traps work just as well as a /win button against .5. as anyone else.
Keleborn	Posted - 2006.01.24 15:25:00 - [85] Originally by: thedragoon Edited by: thedragoon on 21/01/2006 07:45:50 the fact that you are trying to pick on a smaller alliance tells truth about the extent RA owned you not just in the POS war but Pvp as well? Is this a Statement or a Question? Please make yourself clear; I do understand your case of ôneeding to postö just make sure you know when you are asking a question and when you are trying to state your foolish opinion. When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite but I don't waste my breath.
thoth foc	Posted - 2006.01.24 15:46:00 - [86] Originally by: Keleborn Originally by: thedragoon Edited by: thedragoon on 21/01/2006 07:45:50 the fact that you are trying to pick on a smaller alliance tells truth about the extent RA owned you not just in the POS war but Pvp as well? Is this a Statement or a Question? Please make yourself clear; I do understand your case of ôneeding to postö just make sure you know when you are asking a question and when you are trying to state your foolish opinion. heh.. most ppl seeing F-E as the 2nd largest alliance after acsn, wouldnt even consider F-E as "a smaller alliance", but ofc we must remember who it was posting --thoth [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA We do not go hunting, cuz hunting infers the possibility of failure.. We go killing...

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