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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:42:00 -
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How about one of your devs run a SQL command and give us a snapshot of what the High Sec Custom Offices overall taxes were for the month of Sept, so the community understands the size of the pie being discussed.
I imagine you have already run that command several times already, given you have been fooling with the tax rates and you would not mess with them without knowing the hard numbers behind it.
So why can't you simply publicize the numbers?
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
1568
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:43:00 -
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ask 'em on twitter? |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
697
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:44:00 -
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Because their ruse will be ruffled.
CCP stopped giving us meaningful numbers, now we are like mushrooms, covered in manure and left to grow in the dark. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1279
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:46:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:ask 'em on twitter?
e: they actually talk about stats on twitter, or they used to? is that still a thing ccp does?
Because while a small percent of the player bases fuse the forums, and even fewer read Twitter.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
549
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:50:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:How about one of your devs run a SQL command and give us a snapshot of what the High Sec Custom Offices overall taxes were for the month of Sept, so the community understands the size of the pie being discussed.
I imagine you have already run that command several times already, given you have been fooling with the tax rates and you would not mess with them without knowing the hard numbers behind it.
So why can't you simply publicize the numbers?
Why would they?
More importantly, why *should* they?
CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace!
-á~ Me |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
843
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:12:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Because their ruse will be ruffled.
CCP stopped giving us meaningful numbers, now we are like mushrooms, covered in manure and left to grow in the dark.
I was left in the dark covered in manure once.
That also marked the last time I said to a girl: *sure, Ill try everything once*.
BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Mr Pragmatic
669
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:16:00 -
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I can assure you of one thing. It is over 9000.
Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate
S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
2040
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:18:00 -
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Mr Pragmatic wrote:I can assure you of one thing. It is over 9000.
Well duh.
Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
377
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:18:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:ask 'em on twitter?
e: they actually talk about stats on twitter, or they used to? is that still a thing ccp does?
Yup they do. I've even seen CCP Fozzie say something like, "hey, too big an answer for twitter, here I made a forum post about it instead."
Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
902
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:19:00 -
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Themeparker Carebears, this kind of species knows alot about SQL commands, but unfortunately they know nothing about Sandbox MMO-RPG's.
The Tears Must Flow |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
51560
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:20:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:ask 'em on twitter?
e: they actually talk about stats on twitter, or they used to? is that still a thing ccp does?
Not since Diagoras left. Been gone for almost 2 years now tbh.
People who feel safer with a gun than with guaranteed medical insurance don't yet have a fully adult concept of scary.-á -William Gibson |
Laserak
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:05:00 -
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Came for a Dinsdale Piranha post
Left disappointed when RMT/Goons were not mentioned  |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
2961
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:29:00 -
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Laserak wrote:Came for a Dinsdale Piranha post Left disappointed when RMT/Goons were not mentioned
I dunno, maybe it's me, but when I read that post I kept getting the feeling that he was barely restraining himself from typing something snide about CCP, null sec, goons or null sec (not a typo there, Dinsdale hates null sec twho times).
I just imagine a "not" conspiracy/hate filled post was hard for him to crank out. Somehow, his sig ("Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook.") tells me everything i need to know about the guy behind the keyboard. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6108
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:30:00 -
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uh huhuhuhuhhhhhuhuh....
hard....
uh huhuhuhuhuhh uh huhuhuhuh.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1700
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:50:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Laserak wrote:Came for a Dinsdale Piranha post Left disappointed when RMT/Goons were not mentioned I dunno, maybe it's me, but when I read that post I kept getting the feeling that he was barely restraining himself from typing something snide about CCP, null sec, goons or null sec (not a typo there, Dinsdale hates null sec twho times). I just imagine a "not" conspiracy/hate filled post was hard for him to crank out. Somehow, his sig ("Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook.") tells me everything i need to know about the guy behind the keyboard.
The conspiracy post is pending; either they give him numbers for him to fit his conspiracy to, or the conspiracy becomes not giving him the numbers.
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Kalishka Askulf
UNFRL Fleet Operations
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
60
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:54:00 -
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And they owe you this demand because...?
Betty White knows it |
Chitsa Jason
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
792
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:21:00 -
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I would never give those numbers out tbh. It is open game. Go figure it out its not so hard.
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
554
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:37:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Laserak wrote:Came for a Dinsdale Piranha post Left disappointed when RMT/Goons were not mentioned I dunno, maybe it's me, but when I read that post I kept getting the feeling that he was barely restraining himself from typing something snide about CCP, null sec, goons or null sec (not a typo there, Dinsdale hates null sec twho times). I just imagine a "not" conspiracy/hate filled post was hard for him to crank out. Somehow, his sig ("Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook.") tells me everything i need to know about the guy behind the keyboard. The conspiracy post is pending; either they give him numbers for him to fit his conspiracy to, or the conspiracy becomes not giving him the numbers.
Sort of a "'Heads' I win, 'tails' you lose" proposition. Which is why I'd never give those numbers out, myself. If I'm going to be the butt of a conspiracy theory, I'd be damned if I'd give the whacko any information. Let 'em work for it. Can't see as CCP is going to be any more accomodating than I would be.
CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace!
-á~ Me |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
701
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:38:00 -
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1 is a hard number. It's also got sharp pointy edges.
Anyway, Eve needs some Sharknado's. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
554
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:42:00 -
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Miilla wrote:1 is a hard number. It's also got sharp pointy edges.
Anyway, Eve needs some Sharknado's.
Pi, OTOH, is a kinda fuzzy number. Sorta fades off in the distance, whereever you get tired of calculating.
Pie, on the other other hand, is not a number at all. Nor has it sharp pointy edges.
I have been threatened with being 'stabbed in teh face' with Pie, but never with Pi. I wonder why that is?
CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace!
-á~ Me |
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
575
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:50:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:ask 'em on twitter?
e: they actually talk about stats on twitter, or they used to? is that still a thing ccp does? Because while a small percent of the player bases fuse the forums, and even fewer read Twitter.
How do you know? I'd like to see the link that states this.
"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1280
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:51:00 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:I would never give those numbers out tbh. It is open game. Go figure it out its not so hard.
Malbrick did a lot of leg work, far more than I could.
And his range was very very large, from 100 billion/month to 2 TRILLION/month, in taxes.
It would be very useful, and dead easy for CCP to simply give the community an aggregate value of the taxes for all of high sec.
And as far as you suggesting it is an open game, it is impossible for an individual to nail that number down, especially since one can only estimate how many players utilize a planet, let alone for every planet in high sec.
CCP is the ONLY one who has the current value of the taxes.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
554
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:54:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:ask 'em on twitter?
e: they actually talk about stats on twitter, or they used to? is that still a thing ccp does? Because while a small percent of the player bases fuse the forums, and even fewer read Twitter. How do you know? I'd like to see the link that states this.
Does not the feed itself indicate how many followers the twitter account has?
CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace!
-á~ Me |
To Be Me
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:01:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:ask 'em on twitter?
e: they actually talk about stats on twitter, or they used to? is that still a thing ccp does? Because while a small percent of the player bases fuse the forums, and even fewer read Twitter.
I like forums.
I just dont sypathize with the general public that post in here.
But the reads entertain me.
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1285
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Posted - 2013.10.02 23:52:00 -
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Can you tell me how many people are running specific reactions while you're at it...because of conspiracies or something, not so I can get even more filthy rich...
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16751
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Posted - 2013.10.03 00:05:00 -
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You understand that there is no GÇ£pieGÇ¥ here, right? That the tax rate the NPCs charge will not change? That the only pie is what the players themselves create, which will either be small (due to useful and low tax rates so that people use the planet in question) or non-existent (due to uselessly high tax rates so people don't use the planet).
Oh, and last time we got any numbers on the NPC part, it was 700bn a month across all of EVEGǪ so unless players want to tax themselves out of any kind of PI income, the player-created pie will most likely be in the low hundreds GÇö most of which will simply be the margin between the old and new commodity base costs. A truly pitiful sum.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Black Canary Jnr
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
6
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Posted - 2013.10.03 00:17:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Chitsa Jason wrote:I would never give those numbers out tbh. It is open game. Go figure it out its not so hard. Malbrick did a lot of leg work, far more than I could. And his range was very very large, from 100 billion/month to 2 TRILLION/month, in taxes. It would be very useful, and dead easy for CCP to simply give the community an aggregate value of the taxes for all of high sec. And as far as you suggesting it is an open game, it is impossible for an individual to nail that number down, especially since one can only estimate how many players utilize a planet, let alone for every planet in high sec. CCP is the ONLY one who has the current value of the taxes.
mabrick was lazy. he assumes everyone is gonna spend a month training planetary consolidation to 5 and does a flat average of all the planets in hs for his 19 mill/ planet sum.
I've run sums based off kao jaos and grimmashs numbers and the amount of isk per a month will make pocos just not worth it on the vast majority of hs planets. oh and this was before they announced the nerf in prices for p1 to 4 products.
but since all the carebears can't figure this bit of maths out for yourselves ....
OMG GOONS GONNA TAKE OVER HISEC :cry: |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
429
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Posted - 2013.10.03 08:58:00 -
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Heres a titbit for the 'ohnoes gewns will take everything' crowd
We as an alliance have been concentrating on gathering POCOs in lowsec for the best part of two and a half years, spending massive amounts on gantrys and upgrades, not to mention capital fuel to grind the structures and titan bridges to defend them when they got attacked. Want to know what percentage we managed to get after all that effort and expenditure? Less than 10% and bear in mind this is in lowsec where its way easier to actually project the forces required while still being able to protect them.
Yes Goons are larger than us by an order of magnitude but bear in mind theyre operating in an environment where they cant leverage those numbers anywhere near as well as they can in nullsec. I know goons love to **** with people for lolz and dont really care about money but for the amount of work theyd have to put in in a location they dont normally operate in beyond the gank squads the return compared to something like ramping up freighter ganking or ice interdicting is miniscule.
Note I'm not saying they wont take any at all, obviously thats a dumb idea, just that people are massively overreacting because of one entity that would have to make the biggest logistical effort in the history of EVE for returns which can be best described as miniscule.
And thats something I just dont see happening.
Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1286
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Posted - 2013.10.03 13:31:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Heres a titbit for the 'ohnoes gewns will take everything' crowd
We as an alliance have been concentrating on gathering POCOs in lowsec for the best part of two and a half years, spending massive amounts on gantrys and upgrades, not to mention capital fuel to grind the structures and titan bridges to defend them when they got attacked. Want to know what percentage we managed to get after all that effort and expenditure? Less than 10% and bear in mind this is in lowsec where its way easier to actually project the forces required while still being able to protect them.
Yes Goons are larger than us by an order of magnitude but bear in mind theyre operating in an environment where they cant leverage those numbers anywhere near as well as they can in nullsec. I know goons love to **** with people for lolz and dont really care about money but for the amount of work theyd have to put in in a location they dont normally operate in beyond the gank squads the return compared to something like ramping up freighter ganking or ice interdicting is miniscule.
Note I'm not saying they wont take any at all, obviously thats a dumb idea, just that people are massively overreacting because of one entity that would have to make the biggest logistical effort in the history of EVE for returns which can be best described as miniscule.
And thats something I just dont see happening.
Sorry, but a number that may be the 1 trillion ISK / month range, or higher, well, that is not miniscule.
Of course, it could be 500 M/ month. It could be 2 trillion / month.
It cannot be calculated nearly as easily as say, moon goo.
The amount of any type of moon is readily counted, (I know that many of the cartels had a precise census of every tech moon, and are now doing the same thing with R64's), but the same cannot be said for PI. It is estimates.
Now, I am sure the null sec cartels have a decent estimate of the value of the PI before they ramp up their campaign, but unless CCP fed them precise numbers, even they don't have a true value. And of course, we know that no one at CCP would collude with the cartels to give them that data.
So it is in the best interest of all, including the cartels, to know the true value of the taxes being diverted to the cartels.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning.
The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics
CODE.
641
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Posted - 2013.10.03 13:43:00 -
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You know, a smart person wouldn't be going "Waaagh grr gewns will take ALL highsec planets and leave us with nothing ohhno!"
Said smart person would be thinking "Hmm, what items are bottlenecks for important PI products. Now how many of those planets are out there? Would it be possible to cartel those?"
After that, the smart person would start screwing with the market for the best return on investment when Rubicon drops, and wouldn't be posting conspiracy theories on the forums.
Don't worry miners, I'm here to help!
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