Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1248
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:50:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:So you say you have little to no experience with the Proteus, yet you call it OP.
Yes the Proteus can be fit with a huge buffer tank. Guess what you won't be doing with that fit. Yea damage. For one, your DPS will suffer. Then add to that, you can't shoot far past your nose. Then for the icing, you are a slow brick that will be lucky to catch anything and stay in range.
There is a reason many gallente blasterboats get fit for shield tanking. Armor tanking makes them too slow to apply their short range damage.
Sure you can configure it for high DPS. It is still a bit of a brick, so you can easily find your self getting kited to death. Also keep in mind a proteus gets to apply that damage primarily to the highest natural resist of many ships (kinetic/thermal).
So yea it's easy to run the numbers in EFT and conclude the proteus is OP. Go fly one first and then we will talk.
Also keep in mind, with the SP loss, and lack of ejecting, a proteus pilot has to pretty much go all in when fighting, since you are in brawling range. So you're saying it's not OP? 
It is not.
People must start to stop the nonsense of assuming every Proteus pilot or every Proteus they cross have slave sets+hardwirings and strong boosters, armor links running and titan bonus. Then we might actually be able to have a beginning of serious discussion, this is also true for any other T3
After all ships rebalance lately if something T3's are not any more the only viable choice like T3's vs HACs, you can find many ships now doing better and for sure at lower cost. (drop 150 blatrixes over 150 lokis lets see the isk loss war what happens)
Paper stuff like eft/pyfa it's nice, flying them it's another thing, then the environment you play with these ships also affect quite strongly the opinion on how op these might be or not.
Bring officer/faction fits with super links pirate implants sets and strong boosters fits to the discussion brings nothing positive constructive or determinative factor, those are possibilities, not the only possible one to make them worth or it would only mean how bad those ships are.
The regular pilot T2 fitting his ship with T1 rigs no implants yadaya will always have to make trade offs to get either DPS or tank, it's possible to make a good combination of both and this is the reason why T3's are so awesome.
Of course and once again once you start throwing isk at fittings and rigs etc benefits might become exponentially good but again instead of flying T2 fitted command ships or hacs if you throw lots of isk in they also profit exponentially from those fits.
The fact those are not cheapo throw away ships is good, this single factor avoids large fleets of them because not only those can be countered but puts huge holes in alliances wallets when it comes to reimbursement programs, none of them despite propaganda stuff can afford to loose several fleets of those every week for months of war or being in permanent war.
It's more of an awesome tool for smaller entities to harass larger ones which is good.
So to finish this useless point of view and wall of text, why don't you guys start by setting the bases for T3 discussion?
T2 fitted, T1 rigs, no implants and stuff etc.
This is imho the only way to have a decent discussion about T3s and what might be wrong/good/too good and propose ideas.
Let the haters start hating.
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