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Money Makin Mitch
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:18:00 -
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seriously? the first thing wasn't enough. you gave them a bunch of scorps too? wow, thats like 15-20bil of free isk per employee... and here I am having worked for my isk to be able to buy one thinking it was a unique ship...lol, you're just spawning them out like candy it seems. |
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:32:00 -
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Miku Yumi wrote:Money Makin Mitch wrote:seriously? the first thing wasn't enough. you gave them a bunch of scorps too? wow, thats like 15-20bil of free isk per employee... and here I am having worked for my isk to be able to buy one thinking it was a unique ship...lol, you're just spawning them out like candy it seems. Just think: all them months grinding level 4 missions to officer fit your marauders in highsec- you could've gotten 20b just by being in the right corporation.. That is- one of CCP's favorite corporations seriously, right. CCP, you're really making me question why i play this game. i thought this game was about competition, about player skill. it feels pretty good when you snag a good deal, when you see that contract with a couple of missing zeroes before anyone else does, when you private message a dude and end up buying out his whole hangar for a fraction of the value. being a businessman in this game can be fun, but you undermine that when you start doing this **** and giving free stuff out to people. it isn't fair for some people to have to acquire items the regular way, through grinding, diligence, patience, and sometimes just plain luck... while you spawn supposedly limited items on a whim. i was only aware of around 90 scorps when i purchased mine, and you decided to spawn out another 30 to give to one corp.... wow.... that invalidates all the work i put into getting isk to aquire mines. it cheaps the value of the ones that were initially won through player participation... you just gave out 15-20bil of free isk to a bunch of dudes... |
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:23:00 -
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Chribba wrote:So even Somer himself realize this is a bit shady and wouldn't be taken well when it hits the world, why else would he ask people to be quiet about it and not everyone sell at once. Nicely done there...
What separates this from a dev giving his own alliance blueprints...? I'd be very interested in hearing from CCP what made the decision to do this.
*sarcasm*But hey maybe this was discussed with CSM and they said it was a good idea...*/sarcasm*
/c yeah, the insider trading **** is pretty lame on behalf of Somer's part, but the blame for this lies squarely on the devs
CCP spawns a bunch of 'limited' ships, gives them to one corp, and then the corp members sell them quietly before anyone else realizes that ~90 ships magically turned into ~120, reducing the value of the item
yeah, nothing shady about that, right guys? guess they couldn't predict this outcome |
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:27:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:What else has been given we don't know about? there was something mentioned about monocles earlier |
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MeBiatch wrote:Maybe its just me but what is the problem? Afaik the ship is vanity and has zero extra bonus over the regular scorpion. .. people who run successful community sites usually get thier accounts for free like mad ani... and people dont seem to mimd about all that... so really I think you guys need to get a grip... the ship is worth 15-20bil... or it was, during the period of insider trading before everyone else realized the supply magically grew CCP basically gave them a bunch of free supercarrier hulls if you want to look at it from an isk value |
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:07:00 -
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ok, so let me make sure i'm getting this straight...
CCP just said it doesn't matter that they gave out a bunch of 15bil ships, because they're going to make the ships worthless anyways? yeah, that just further reinforces the shady insider trading **** that makes this whole thing corrupt... good ole blink employees had over a month to sell their items quietly on the market, while everyone else thought it was a limited ship with ~90 runs... you guys introduced a full 30 new units, gave them all to one corp, and let them quietly unload at top dollar? and now i'm going to get stuck holding the bag because i was foolish enough to buy one thinking they were actually, you know, limited? well, thanks for shitting all over me. i run 6 paid accounts, is that not enough income from me? maybe you can replace that income with some more plex purchases through somer |
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:29:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:right cuss tech II gear is worse then its tech I version and refines to 1 trit but atleast it has a better skin... so rage!? A BPO doesn't refine into anything, so it must be infinitely more suitable than the IshuScorps. i still dont see how people are upset about this. honestly tech II bpo at a time before invention... sure making me look at a door instead of a station... you betcha giving out legacy items from eve lore... well ok kinda making a ship that has no real value and is just a dust collector to give out as prizes and to people who they want to thank for promoting the game... just dont see the rage on the last one. the only reason i can see is there is some sort of entitlement issue here. this is what happens from a generation of every one wins i guess.
go look at the price history of the item. go check the sell orders subforum. you're seriously trying to argue that it has no value? |
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:40:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:how does a vanity item mess with the sandbox? The same way all valuables do. as more are given away as prizes and such will its value not diminish as per the supply demand chart? they were given away in secret, nobody knew about any additional supply. the recipients had over a month to unload their items quietly while everyone else thought there were only roughly 90 units around. naturally, increasing the number of units by a third would drop the price, but somer leadership advised them to act quietly so they could get sell without drawing any attention, which gave them even more of an advantage by allowing them to get top isk for their ships. |
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:41:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Money Makin Mitch wrote: go look at the price history of the item. go check the sell orders subforum. you're seriously trying to argue that it has no value?
its value is not intrinsic... ccp did not set that price... eve players did based on a false assumption that there were a limited number of them. the false assumption might have something to do with the items being given away in secret and permitting somer blink employees to engage in insider trading with said items |
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:41:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:Molic Blackbird wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: CCP are not lying, they stated a while ago that the The Ishukone Scorpion was going to be used as a gift to give those people who run 3rd Party Sites.
Where was it stated a while ago? The first time I seen a statement like that from CCP was after this Somer gift was exposed. I doubt it was widely known that CCP intended the Ishukone Scorpion to be frequently used as gifts to third party sites. Question: If it was meant to be given as recognition, then why would CCP and Somer engage in collusion to keep it secret? Generally you "recognize" an organization publically, no? So we can all applaud them for their selfless sacrifice?
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:46:00 -
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CCP still being deliberately obtuse?
yeah, we gave them 15bil ships and let them engage in insider trading, but it's ok, because we're going to flood the market with them anyways! |
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:01:00 -
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Naradius wrote:OK, I'm going to spell this out for the retards.... 1. CCP gave Somer Ish Scorps on the sly (for whatever reason). 2.Somer says to employees - keep it quiet. When you sell them, do it as to not raise suspicion. Why doesn't Somer want to raise suspicion? Is it because they knew that they are worth a lot less now than their current market price, because there are actually 40% more available than the rest of the community were led to believe. Why were they allowed to sell these items into a market that had no idea of their true worth at the time? I can answer that one - because CCP sanctioned it. CCP and Somer knew there were 40% more Ish Scorps seeded...nobody else did. Somer said herself this was a unique thing CCP was doing for them It doesn't matter if it was an Ish Scorp...it's the principle. i purchased one thinking there were x amount in game... boy was i wrong... nice to see everyone with insider information be able to sell theirs first though for top dollar that pretty much ruins the sandbox for me and invalidates the work i do trading. no sense grinding for billions when the dev can spawn 'limited' items on a whim, give them in secret to their buddies to sell at top rate, and then act like nothing is wrong. i really don't want to do this, but it looks like i'm going to have no choice but to let 6 active, paid accounts lapse within next month... still deciding if i want to keep the other 5 accounts training skills after they run out of time, but probably not. so i guess -11 from me in the end. gg CCP. |
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:27:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: ...altering the balance of power in the game (even in a small way), there is something seriously wrong with Eve.
30 somewhat-inferior Scorpion variants that CCP never promised as capped in numbers has altered the balance of the game? Pfftt. Pull the other one - it's got bells on. they sold for 20bil before everyone realized that CCP magically increased the supply for somer. somer also used this secrecy to engage in insider trading and unload a bunch of them before anyone realized the supply had increased. this is ethical how? |
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:23:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:If the CSMs response to this is along the lines of "this is fine, anyone who doesn't agree is just a child who is jealous" then... haha, oh wow
I'll be glad to be done with this company, and with this community, if thats how it works I run 6 'main' accounts and 5 for training toons to sell. If I lose any isk on the SIW I currently possess, it will be due to CCP allowing blink employees to engage in insider trading with them for ~6 weeks. Simply unacceptable. So, I have started letting my accounts lapse, it will be -11 on my end when all is said and done if CCP doesn't do something to fix this and make sure it doesn't happen again. GG. |
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:13:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:Axhind wrote:Sadly for CCP we can refuse to give them money. People complaining is one thing, but people unsubbing is a different one. There's no "i have unsubbed"-thread which keeps growing and growing, so i'm sure you understand why i'm a bit confused about the seriousness regarding the issue. Nonetheless ... there seem to be enough people speaking up, so we might just not yet have reached critical mass. there was one yesterday iirc, but they deleted it |
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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:53:00 -
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Jimmy Farrere wrote:You will all be pleased to hear that because of the uproar from the community SOMER Blink have decided to redistribute this new-found wealth in the most appropriate way they can think of, by generating true, ingame content.
Over the coming weeks the Scorpion Ishukone Watch that were gifted to SOMER Blink members will be auctioned off and the proceeds will be donated to Goonswarm Federation and the CFC. In turn, the CFC will use this isk to form and fund a new squad which will be dedicated solely to taking over hi-sec POCOs when Rubicon goes live. This will serve to accelerate the changes that CCP have made to the game and give both nullsec and hisec players weeks if not months of new content.
I for one would like to thank SOMER Blink for doing the right thing and returning their questionably gained wealth back into active players hands. i find this very hard to believe, got any actual proof? |
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Posted - 2013.10.07 22:43:00 -
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i have read some allegations that CCP Navigator previously worked for Somer blink. is there any confirmation on this? |
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:38:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:The only way out for CCP is for them to pump out Ishukone Scorpions until their market value plumments to something relatively trivial like 500m isk. And do it plenty fast. or they could just take back the 30 they magic'ed, along with any profits from their sale, apologize to the playerbase, and publically censure ccp navigator. but that would require integrity |
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