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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:10:00 -
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Axhind wrote:Sadly for CCP we can refuse to give them money. People complaining is one thing, but people unsubbing is a different one.
There's no "i have unsubbed"-thread which keeps growing and growing, so i'm sure you understand why i'm a bit confused about the seriousness regarding the issue.
Nonetheless ... there seem to be enough people speaking up, so we might just not yet have reached critical mass. |

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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:05:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Quoted For Truth Bolded For Emphasis This is absolutely ridiculous. Boycotting SOMER for what ? For taking what they are given ? Bullshit.
Why would i not take a million bucks, if somebody offered me a million bucks ?
Blame the one who gives the million, not the one taking it. |

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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:14:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:After years of getting genuinely angry at stuff like this, I grew out of it, because it's silly. So you admit that in the years you genuinely got angry about stuff like this, you simply were silly ?
You know ... I've noticed that we often agree on things. We even agree with this, to some extent.
I personally don't care that CCP did it ... ... but there seem to be enough people who care, so i care with them.
Your opinion is yours ... but saying that people are silly ... ... while at the same time admitting that you were like that ... ... "genuinely" ... makes you look like a questionable character in my eyes. (i lack words to properly describe how i perceive this)
Not sure if it's hypocrisy. Think about it.
You yourself say you got genuinely angry, but now you have grown out of it and it's silly.
That's bull and in no way mirrors a "grown up" opinion. For when *you* do it, it's genuine, but now as you don't, it's silly.
Please correct me if i understood you wrong. |

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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:SooooGǪ T20? Good idea, or best idea? I don't understand why people bring this up. People at CCP didn't know he was doing it, so how do people draw a connection ? These are completely different issues.
It's just superficially connected by the fact that somebody got stuff and nobody talked about it. Back then, though, it was only one guy who didn't have the blessings of CCP to do it. |

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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:29:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:I thought you had more taste than that Scultz...
Naming your alt IHaveCandyGetIntTheVan69.... cmon man. The one is definitely not an alt of the other. |

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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:35:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:Quote: Your opinion is yours ... but saying that people are silly ... ... while at the same time admitting that you were like that ... ... "genuinely" ... makes you look like a questionable character in my eyes. (i lack words to properly describe how i perceive this) I used to do something that was stupid I have grown out of it and realized I shouldn't do it so I no longer do this thing It is no longer stupid? Thanks ... i completely missed this other perspective. |

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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Just because the current dev has more backing than the previous one doesn't change the nature of what they're doing. It only shows that the cronyism has become endemic, which is actually worse than a single guy doing it on his own. They're not different issues GÇö they're the exact same issue with different layers of excuses to cover for it.
The only difference between the two is one of scale: T20 was a lot smaller in size and effect, and less troublesome in terms of policy. Uhm ... yes ... but ... that ... doesn't ... really ... change ... the ... facts ...
In one case, one guy did it without anybody else at CCP knowing it. In the other case, the whole company (or the responsibles) knew it and gave an order to do it.
In one case we have corporate "favouritism" like it is now and in the other ... we don't. (as people call it) In one case, it's CCPs doing and in the other, it's an individuals doing.
You say there is only one difference, (the one you point out) and i point out at least one other difference, which makes them TWO differences already ...
Furthermore, calling it endemic, when the other case was years ago ... ... made by one individual guy without the order of his uppers ... ... which shows that it's pretty much a completely different case ...
... wtf ...
These cases are only connected superficially by the fact that somebody secretly gave stuff to somebody else. |

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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:52:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:When I was a kid, all manner of things were important.
Now that I'm just shy of 40, I can see those thigns for what they are and where. SILLY.
If you can't understand that, I don't know what to tell you. i used to get so many at FASA Interactive/Microsoft because of what they were doing with the Battletech IP. So mad at Lucas Arts because of the Star Wars stuff etc. Eventually, I realized that I was being dumb, there are rwal actual bad things going on in this world and none of it involves video games.
It's ok for a customer to dislike what a company does, but this reaction reminds me of a small protest I was assigned to work at a wal-mart a few years ago. It wasn't over workers rights, or child labor in China. wal-mart had littlerally stopped selling a certain brand of something and people were mad at that. Oh the indignity of having to be forced to shop at Super Target... Thank you for clearing that up for me.
Although i agree that there are worse things going on in the world and although i also agree that people might have to rethink their priorities, you do know perfectly well that everything is just a matter of perspective.
"The" rich-white-girl whining about her first world problems still feels bad about what's going on, even if it seems like a completely ridiculous issue. It doesn't change the fact that the feelings are real.
You call it silly, while completely dismissing their emotional reality. (is there a proper english term for that ?)
This is not "grown up", but "ignorant of how others feel about things".
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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:02:00 -
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Solstice Project's Alt wrote:GǪand that just makes the second case worse than the first. I didn't judge it, but i agree that it's a completely different scale.
Quote:GǪand I'm saying that he second difference isn't actually a difference in what the issue is: devs favouring a single entity under a veil of secrecy. More of them thinking this bad idea is a good idea doesn't change what it is they're doing. Yes ... ... but in one case, CCP had no idea and didn't show any "favouritism" whatsoever.
That's a difference needed to be pointed out, because that's how it went. CCP didn't pull off the "t20", t20 pulled off the "t20". (hahahaha sounds funny XD)
Quote:I'm calling it endemic because the notion that it's ok for the devs to hand out special favours to specific groups for no adequate reason has spread from just one person to a whole bunch of them. What was just a single dev being stupid is now endemic in all of them (and this spread of a bad idea is then trotted out as an excuse for this behaviour). You might have worded it the wrong way, or i misinterpret "endemic". Saying it spread from one guy to the others implies that CCP thought "hey, t20 did it ... we should too" ... which clearly isn't the case. Language barrier ? |

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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:05:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I am a smart and reasonable person.
Although rich-white-girls' issues might be silly or ridiculous, the feelings these issues cause still are pretty much real. Making fun of her would be dumb, but you don't do that anyway.
Thank you. You might be seen in a better light now, too. ^_^ |

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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:11:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:To Be Me wrote:If u guys unsub i will unsub too already got too much **** up with this game, company srsly But that's the point, we (or at least I) don't want to unsub, we are hoping (perhaps in vain) to keep from getting to that point by having our voices heard. If only there was some group who could represent us. You see and THERE lies the biggest issue of them all.
People tend to WAIT, because they hope there's a chance words change anything. The huge issue with this is that the powers-that-are can exploit this to their advantage ... ... by, for example ...
... artificially creating a different issue to divert peoples' attention. ... waiting it out until people have calmed down or fell into apathy, because it's no use.
For example ... imagine the USA had a huge surveillance network and people complained about it. Imagine furthermore, the president of the USA wants to go to war, but hasn't gotten public approval.
There are two issues - seemingly unrelated - and the people won't budge, so the most reasonable thing to do is to create an issue that diverts their attention and/or changes their opinion.
Like ... i don't know ... blowing up manhattan.
I have no idea how well Crowd Control Productions is actually doing with controlling the crowds, though. For some reason i believe they are doing much better than most people would think. |

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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:26:00 -
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I, for one, sincerely thank those who have took the time to respond to my questions/words.
Now, though, Joe will help me relax with Mary Jane. |

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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:43:00 -
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Bronco Platz wrote:Thread has allways be in top. How this happens doesn't matter. Indeed.
People don't say "there's a thread of 65 pages filled with varying opinions", they say "there's a 65 page threadnaught about how CCP ****** up".
*gggggg* |

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Posted - 2013.10.07 20:46:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Fourteen You do know that you are indirectly helping the side that opposes your opinion, simply by posting in this thread ... right ? |

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Posted - 2013.10.07 21:51:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I say "you fellows need to light up some of that "good green" and let your cares fly away"  )
Cameron Freerunner wrote:Tactical Trolling 101: Every time someone posts, the thread is bumped to the top. It doesn't matter what they post, since most people won't read past page 1. If you own the thread, this is good. If you're against the thread, this is bad.
If you had any brains at all, you'd let the thread die. But, please, keep posting. I'm So Meta Even Trolling Around |

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Posted - 2013.10.07 22:47:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Charru Kauppias wrote:I bet 90% of people posting in this just enjoy the drama. Confirming that Chribba is a drama lama. If Chribba is criticizing CCP, maybe they ought to rethink their policies. Totally forgot about Chribba ... If somebody should have gotten stuff, then him... |

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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:33:00 -
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That's it !
The solution to the problem is to create a player division supported by CCP.
Players can ask for funding, in return for content. A fitting minimum requirement to apply would be a plan of what the funds would be used for.
The People (simply add a specific forum) and/or CCP can review these plans and then grant or deny funding.
Players who actually create content, also find supporting individuals.
If a player misuses the funds, he can simply be banned and the ISK pulled off.
This way, those worthy can be found easily and supported individually.
I know at least one guy, who isn't you or anybody not reading this, who could put this to very, very good use.
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Posted - 2013.10.08 01:59:00 -
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Kordran Ke'Azir wrote:A more extreme, but maybe easier to understand analogy would be this:
I used to do massive amounts of crack. I realised (by growing up) that doing it was fricking stupid and was killing me so I stopped. Does previously doing massive amounts of crack now stop me from telling people who still do massive amounts of crack that it's fricking stupid and is killing them? How is that the same ? EvE isn't killing you, so emotional attachement isn't bad per se. |

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Posted - 2013.10.08 10:55:00 -
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Cierra Royce wrote:Solstice Project wrote:This thread now turned into the thread of lots of spoiled little kids...
So many kids complaining about how the other guys soup is better, but at the same time refusing to leave the table out of protest.
"I shouldn't have to unsub"
Decadent, spoiled masses. May CCP never give in. You don't deserve it.
That basically was Jester's point in a nutshell, Shut up or GTFO. No point in trying to persuade anyone they are wrong kinda attitude, just ride this train and you don't complain about the conductor pissing in your soup whilst giving some other dude he likes champagne, super fine soup and caviar, if you don't like it get the **** off at the next stop. No replacement soup and no conductor getting a severe beating to put an end to his shenanigans. However, CCP have seen the error of their ways on many occasions following player protest and complaint, doesn't always happen immediately, and doesn't help that certain player councillors appear to be running interference for them these days, but why just give up without a fight? Please snap back to reality. It's a forum. You write text.
You are *not* putting up a fight !
If you were to put up a fight, in context, you *would* unsub, because that would seriously get their attention.
Text in a forum doesn't. As you can see.
You're crybabies, nothing more. If you were serious, there would be some *real* consequences for CCP.
All you people are are spoiled, decadent children. |
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