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Josh Wink
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:10:00 -
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This is probably a question that has been asked a million times before, so apologies. I'm saving for the advanced learning books - about 4.5 million ISK each - and am wondering what the best way would be to accumulate cash for this. At the moment i'm running lvl 1 Internal Security missions for an agent which is okay, but the cash isn't stacking up very quickly. I also tried my hand at mining - but a couple of cargos of Veldspar/Scordite produced next to nothing on the market.
Then curiosity got the better of me; i ventured into 0.0 security space and noticed some pirates with a tasty 175k bounty on each of them. I wonder if i'm in a position to take out these type of NPCs in my Frigate?
What i'm trying to say after all this waffling, is what's the best way for me to accumulate ISK early in the game?
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Darwinia
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:15:00 -
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I'll let you in on a secret.. I've taken out 650K (multiple) battleship spawns with cruiser escort.. with a T1 frigate and fittings.. and the only related skill at 5 was frigate 5. It can be done , just be sure to bring plenty of ammo.
The quickest way to get cash is indeed npc hunting (missions are better, but you have to work your way up the agent levels).
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Josh Wink
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:21:00 -
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Darwinia, that is good news indeed! My set-up is 3x 200mm Autocannons with EMP ammo; 1x Rocket Launcher; 1x Afterburner; 1x Gyrostabliser; 1x Small Armour Repairer; 1x Warp Scrambler. With this i've been taking out the lvl 1 pirates without breaking into a sweat. Any comments on this set up?
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:25:00 -
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You don't need a warp scrambler against NPCs, it is only mean't to prevent other players from warping away. If you really need cash, I think mining is the fastest way when you're new. It is possibly to kill almost anything in a frigate that is fit to put out alot of damage, but it requires experience rather than skill points.
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Chuck Noriss
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Darwinia I'll let you in on a secret.. I've taken out 650K (multiple) battleship spawns with cruiser escort.. with a T1 frigate and fittings.. and the only related skill at 5 was frigate 5. It can be done , just be sure to bring plenty of ammo.
The quickest way to get cash is indeed npc hunting (missions are better, but you have to work your way up the agent levels).
having frigate at 5 (while not noob at all, most dont go to 3 til later in the game) is quite nice with some of frigates and it is totally possible to roundhouse kick some cruisers with a frigate+webber+AB.
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Darwinia
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:29:00 -
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Use the most damaging ammo you have. You might want to drop that WCS and fit a power relay to help your AB/small rep. Rats in 0.0 rarely scramble nowadays.. especially cruisers/BS.
Not so much on setup as some pointers:
- only look for cruiser/BS spawns.. avoid the frigate/destroyer ones - don't approach in a straight line - ever - always keep your afterburner on - if you find yourself taking too much damage warp out and repair - note that I did this with an Incursus with blasters and a shield booster.. I don't know if autocannons have enough tracking for it.
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Josh Wink
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Posted - 2006.01.23 11:31:00 -
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This is all very helpful, thank you all. Has anyone got any further comments on this?
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BlackMoon Thrawn
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Posted - 2006.01.23 13:48:00 -
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I am doing the same as you right now(saving for advanced learning. I have found that doing 1/10 complexes the best way to make money and some decent loot. One of the NPC's drops a "dead space overseers possesions" that is worth around 350,000. I havent tried the drone ones but the serpentis ones are nice. I have my frig skill at 3 and just about everything else at 1 and they are easy. It takes about 20 min to clear it out and thats with picking up loot.
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.01.24 02:43:00 -
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Making money can get a lot easier if you are in a corp or have some friends to gang with. Then you can go along with someone who is flying a larger ship and assist with a complex or a level 4 mission or belt ratting. Bounties are shared among gang members, and shared loot can be pretty worthwhile. If you join a corp that is based in 0.0, you can fly with people that are killing those 1 mil rats and make a fortune without too much risk.
A Rifter will do well against the cruiser and battlecruiser rats you find, but you might find it a bit slow to kill them solo. Teamimg up with someone with more firepower is more efficient. The tradeoff is that they get someone in a fast ship to collect the loot.
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Gabby05
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Posted - 2006.01.24 05:45:00 -
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the biggest iv taken out in a frigate was 175k rat and that took ages, i once tried to kill a 600+ rat with a maller but i just wasnt doing as much damage before it repaired itself (i was using small turrets tho, nos wasnt quite as effective either).
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Electric Cucumber
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Posted - 2006.01.24 07:22:00 -
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I tried destroying a Guristas scorpion with my rifter and I hardly scratched his shields, and he kept regenerating his shield. I was using 3 AC's with EMP and a rocket launcher.
So I guess an incursus will have a better damage output than a rifter?
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Darwinia
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Posted - 2006.01.24 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: Darwinia on 24/01/2006 07:34:58 The problem above is two-fold:
The incursus was using light neutron blasters with AM ammo (T1, but still the most damaging and best tracking gun out there) against serpentis NPCs (whose lowest resist are kinetic/thermal). So it is a combination of best offence vs weakest defence.
You're trying to kill gurista (weak to kinetic/thermal also) with EMP ammo, with autocannons. Wrong damage type and autocannons can have tracking problems when orbiting at high speed.
All high bounty rats have high resists and good tanks.. their damage output mostly sucks, but their tanking and armor HP do not.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2006.01.24 09:52:00 -
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I can attest that the Incursus CLEARLY outdamages a Rifter and is well capable of taking on decent tanks.
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Shinshi Casoyako
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Posted - 2006.01.24 09:58:00 -
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I made this guide a while ago off how to get your first millions. That should be a good start =) . Seriously Have I Not Said How I Can Assist Some One You Are Killing Online? |
Jawas
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Posted - 2006.01.24 14:12:00 -
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It depends on how you've incresed your skills for mining. If you can get enough for a Retriever, a couple of strip minnig modules and 4 or 5 scout drones, earning 2 or 3 million in a couple of hours mining Scordite or Kemite in 0.6 on your own is easy towing a full cargo to base by yourself. If you have a buddy to tow the ore in an Indy, you can easily earn over 6 million in around the same time.
Higher skills for mining, refining and mining barge would produce better yeilds, mine are still quite low ATM but I can pull in around 3 million in two hours.
-- Sig design in training: Remaining time 30 years 20 days, 4 hours, 10 mins, 15 seconds. |
Swiftness
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Posted - 2006.01.24 14:39:00 -
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Or you can buy an industrial ship, get a loan from a friend and do trade-good runs. Play with the market ; NPC stations offer some nice deals, buy cheap, sell for more in another place
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Lau Ketza
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Posted - 2006.01.24 16:23:00 -
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I've been miner since I started, and was pulling in several hundred thousand isk per hour.
However, last night I found a trade run between two stations 3 jumps apart. It involved purchasing 6,451 (max cargo on my hauler) units of mechanical parts at 565 isk and jumping 3 gates to sell them for 672 isk each - almost 700,000 isk profit per run. I did 4 runs in about an hour and made 2.8 million. I just may never have to mine again!!!
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Simon Jax
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Posted - 2006.01.24 17:15:00 -
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Frigate mining is probably not the way to go to make money fast. Even in the Probe you're pretty limited in where/what you can mine efficiently. Oh, you can make a decent profit Jet-Can mining hauling away in an Indy, but it takes a good while.
I don't know enough about the Minmatarr Cruisers, but I can mine pretty efficiently in my Vexor. But that's mostly due to having a large bay full of drones, 4 for mining, and 4 for combat when rats come about.
Try ratting in 0.3 space. There are some pretty consistent BC and C spawns, though there are quite a few Destroyer/Frigate spawns that you may need to avoid in a Frigate.
That said, see if you have a lvl II agent available (show info on your Lvl I rep, click on the corp logo, and find the agent tab, look for a Security lvl II of any quality). While you may want to upgrade to a Cruiser, or a well-fitted Destroyer, lvl II missions tend to not only pay well, but the loot from NPC's will make you quite a bit of money either through straight selling or selling the reprocessed minerals.
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
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Posted - 2006.01.24 18:01:00 -
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Josh, send an evemail to "Kellie's Shadow" ingame. explain your problem, and She'll help you out greatly. tell her that Lochmar sent you.
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Silmenel
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Posted - 2006.01.25 12:44:00 -
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I didn't read all the info above - hope that I write something new Find yourself a corp! Experienced players will help you - either you can go mining with them or doing missions or what ever the corp does - but whatever it is, you (and your wallet) will profit a lot.
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Flax Volcanus
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Posted - 2006.01.25 14:13:00 -
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I spent an absolutely hellish month doing nothing but mining. It got me a small nest egg, but pretty much soured me on mining ever again (except for the occasional corp event). If your battle support skills (e.g., gunner, etc.) are not sufficient to let you put the smack on high-value targets, you could always go after smaller fish, and just do more of them. That is, make up in volume what you lack in margin. Ratting is more fun than mining (to me, anyway), and I usually get more ISK from repro or selling even the junk loot than I do from bounties.
Or, as someone else mentioned, try trading more. I never seem to find a good route, but a corp mate of mine made a lot initially by running soil, parts, garbage -- you name it. And it's about as simple as you can get in Eve -- well, besides AFK mining.
Good luck. |
Jarvin Spoo
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Posted - 2006.01.25 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: Jarvin Spoo on 25/01/2006 15:57:54
Originally by: Chuck Noriss
Originally by: Darwinia I'll let you in on a secret.. I've taken out 650K (multiple) battleship spawns with cruiser escort.. with a T1 frigate and fittings.. and the only related skill at 5 was frigate 5. It can be done , just be sure to bring plenty of ammo.
The quickest way to get cash is indeed npc hunting (missions are better, but you have to work your way up the agent levels).
I HAVE to disagree here. There is no way a T1 Frigate can withstand the damage of one battleship much less a multiple spawn. PLEASE....if this is true, contact me ingame and I will pay you to teach me this skill. I just do not see how this is possible. Here is my reasoning: 1. No T1 Frigate in the game could carry enough ammo to get the job done. 2. No T1 Frigate in the game has the sheild/armor/hull to withstand two maybe three hits from a NPC battleship with cruiser escort.
Again....PLEASE....if it is true....teach me how. But I will still be in disbelief until I see it done in person.
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Banyan Cross
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Chuck Noriss
Originally by: Darwinia I'll let you in on a secret.. I've taken out 650K (multiple) battleship spawns with cruiser escort.. with a T1 frigate and fittings.. and the only related skill at 5 was frigate 5. It can be done , just be sure to bring plenty of ammo.
The quickest way to get cash is indeed npc hunting (missions are better, but you have to work your way up the agent levels).
having frigate at 5 (while not noob at all, most dont go to 3 til later in the game) is quite nice with some of frigates and it is totally possible to roundhouse kick some cruisers with a frigate+webber+AB.
Sorry, but I read your name and had to show you this site http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/
V Funny...
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Jarvin Spoo
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Posted - 2006.01.25 21:44:00 -
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So no one is going to say that they truly have killed a Battleship with a T1 Frig with T1 mods?
I really want to learn this feat if it is true. Come on and speak up please.
JS
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ZhinTaki
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Posted - 2006.01.27 01:16:00 -
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Get your ass in a cruiser quick, and do the lv4 complexes. U'll get 3mill in bounty's and 2-2,5 mill worth of loot in 1,5 - 2 hours. Once u get the gunnery skills a bit higher u'll make it in 1.
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VaderDSL
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Posted - 2006.01.27 05:40:00 -
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It has been said but accommpanying people on missions is a good way to make a lot of money, if you find some friends or a corp you have joined, simply ask to join them on the mission, dual running lvl 3's is very profitable for a relatively new player.
The long term player would tank all the damage whikle you could kill the frigates and help with the cruisers, you could always ask for the standard loot as well and get it melted down into minerals for you to sell :)
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Darwinia
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Posted - 2006.01.27 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jarvin Spoo
I HAVE to disagree here. There is no way a T1 Frigate can withstand the damage of one battleship much less a multiple spawn. PLEASE....if this is true, contact me ingame and I will pay you to teach me this skill. I just do not see how this is possible. Here is my reasoning: 1. No T1 Frigate in the game could carry enough ammo to get the job done. 2. No T1 Frigate in the game has the sheild/armor/hull to withstand two maybe three hits from a NPC battleship with cruiser escort.
Again....PLEASE....if it is true....teach me how. But I will still be in disbelief until I see it done in person.
1) It does use a lot of ammo, but a frigate can easily carry 10K of small rounds. I'm not saying that it's a viable way of NPCing, but 10K is enough for 5-6 spawns before you need to resupply
2) The damage output is nothing to worry about since you won't get hit. The most critical moments of this way of fighting is the approach. Once you're in their face and running an AB, they won't hit you nearly enough to overcome your tanking.. yes they get in the lucky shoot or two and on a frigate they can hurt
There are no awe inspiring tricks involved. NPC battleships (and cruisers to a lesser degree) are simply not equiped to deal with an AB frigate.. ever wondered why every PvP setup fits at least 1 NOS nowadays? ------------------------ I don't believe in sigs. |
Multras
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Posted - 2006.01.27 07:30:00 -
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Best way to make money IMO: Get a cruiser first off all, I know its sorta expensive, but get a decent one. Then go dread guristas hunting, or whatever officer class rat is near you. These have high bounties on them, 50k+ for a frig, 300k+ for a cruiser. Kill these and you have a good chance at getting a drop worth multi millions of ISK. So far in my 1 monthish in the game I have killed around 5-6 of them. The first one dropped a 50 mil impolant, next ones dropped 5 mil isk junk, then jsut popped one today that dropped a 30 mil weapon upgrade. They may be hard to find, but just jump from system to system using your scanner to look for them. They arnt really any harder then the normal guys, but I would still reccomend using a cruiser to pop them. U'll see me comin' from a mile off, igniting the skyline. |
CrossWire
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Posted - 2006.01.27 11:15:00 -
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TRADING, thats what I do and I earn about 1.2 million per hour, big easy money with very little risk plus you get to drive a big FO truck. And when I joined Trader Max I got a free truck, insurance and a clone with all the training I needed. All the ISK I earn are mine all mine hehehehahaha!
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