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Locin WeEda
Red Frog Investments
Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2013.10.09 20:58:00 -
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Chaotica Donma wrote:
Couldn't there be a mechanic in theory that if there is a player interested in hauling items, they could pick up "contracts" (for lack of a better word right now) and move things, getting the 10% fee payout? If there is no player, it is automatically moved by the NPC hauler? I can imagine there would be plenty of opportunities for players to haul given the market volume, so there wouldn't be any shortage of work. Either way, I'm sure people would prefer the player character hauling option, given they're probably less likely to get popped than some AI code.
This has been proposed before (look up Interbus), but I am against it for several reasons:
1. I prefer to have competition between players about delivering the best service, not NPC's
2. I don't like arbitrary price ceilings and floors set by NPC's, whether it is for products or services, and I see no need to introduce a new one, as I prefer prices set by supply and demand among players.
3. Both public couriers and private couriers seems to function pretty well atm, there is no need to make an NPC service doing the same service as players easily can provide now. There is no shortage of people wanting to haul it seems. You have gathering points like Haulers Channel to increase the visibility of your public contracts, and you have several courier services (most notably PushX and Red Frog, but there are others as well).
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Zappity
Kurved Space
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Posted - 2013.10.09 21:03:00 -
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There is nothing wrong with public courier contracts out of Jita to the hubs. They are picked up fast and are cheap (much cheaper than Red Frog).
The problem is that Jita is Jita. People buy and sell stuff there because of the turnover.
If you want to increase activity in the trade hubs you have to make it so that stuff does not have to be shipped out of Jita in the first place.
Local production, reasons to set up elsewhere. Courier services are not the bottleneck.
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Mocam
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.09 22:57:00 -
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To a limited extent I could see some of this but not as broadly as you outline it. No way in hell should cross-hub purchases and deliveries ever be allowed. Convenience shopping is a huge motivator for a great deal of trade in EVE.
What you could do is have each empire & station implement a "protectionism" market schema - "local" goods have lower taxes on them, "foreign" goods have higher taxes on them with no way to negate all taxes via skills & standings.
This would also be tied to sec status of the space stations are in - more protectionism in higher sec systems, less and less as the sec status goes down. Pirate stations wouldn't care what was sold being as their stations are run by thieves so the bulk of what's sold there is stolen.
Simply put; costs go up on for selling from "out of empire" sourcing (pirate goods always taxed a lot out of empire), but the lower the sec status of a system, the less enforceable this ideology is.
Design the tax structure based upon status of the source type - friendly v.s. hostile - (amarr selling in caldari, gallente in minmatar, SOE in gallente, etc.) so that the relationship is expressed in taxes levied.
With respect to interbus and concord stations - they would charge the highest tax rates possible between empires so the equivalent of Amarr goods being sold out of Minmatar space and the like. They are there to service the empires in different ways - not to compete with the empire's taxable markets.
By making costs higher for out of empire, you'd encourage more niche marketing within a given empire. The ability to look up prices cross region wouldn't be a consolidate view but a region by region view. You would have to pick what area you want to look at - not just a list view based upon item across all space.
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Karma Codolle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.09 23:57:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:I'm flying in my Orca on my industry alt right now. I'm going to make an item that cost's more in my region than it does in Jita.
Don't want to buy it from me?
THEN FLY YOUR ******* ASS TO JITA AND BUY IT FROM SOMEONE ELSE!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah I'd rather not. Case in point I just got a wormhole from Cloud Ring to near Rens. Don't have time to go to Jita or my wormhole back might collaspe or someone might pop it. So go to Rens to sell my faction loot. There's a few items listed which Im selling at 150m, one buy order for 6000 isk. The other items I have selling for 100m and 90m and buy orders for them for 43m and 50m. I want to buy a black eagle dlu they're listed for 50m higher than in Jita. I put my items up for sale at reduced prices instead but its likely they'll sti be there in a month. In short, the other hubs other than Amarr, are broken regardless of whether you want to rip people off or not.
Ummm they aren't broken. CCP didn't design trade hubs, they're player driven. So they're working just like the sandbox economy says they should
So all your complaints about something costing you more in rens or whatever compared to JITA and losing money selling outside of jita, that's not ccp's fault that's just how the economy formed.
Go look into eve game history trade hubs have risen and fallen a couple times. JITA wasn't always the main one either if memory serves correctly Yulai used to be the main hub before jita took over.
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Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
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Posted - 2013.10.10 00:18:00 -
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Karma Codolle wrote:
Go look into eve game history trade hubs have risen and fallen a couple times. JITA wasn't always the main one either if memory serves correctly Yulai used to be the main hub before jita took over.
you are correct, it was after ccp had removed some of the old "highways" of space travel that jita became a more central place and went up in popularity.
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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