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Ubercado
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Posted - 2006.01.24 19:00:00 -
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Hey all. I found 0.4 system with a decent amount of Jaspet and Kernite the other day. My question is, being in this game for about 12 days and having to mine in one ship and then switch to a hauler to move the ore, is the profit for Jaspet worth the risk?
I know that Kernite sells pretty well and at a decent profit but is Jaspet worth more for the minerals or the ore it self?
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Jon Hawkes
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Posted - 2006.01.24 19:11:00 -
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If you want to see exactly how much Jaspet would refine for, you can use the calculator in the site in my signature. From what I recall, Jaspet never yielded a huge amount of Isk for the risk of going into low sec space.
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Lethon Toral
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Posted - 2006.01.24 19:11:00 -
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Kernite beats Jaspet I should think. Jaspet has got some rares (Nocxium and Zydrine), but the amount of isogen you get from Kernite should make more ISK/m3 since Jaspet is considerably bigger than Kernite.
Also refining your ore and selling the mins usually makes more profit, but as you are a new char without any high refining skills a lot of that profit might be put to waste. Thus you're probably better off selling the ore until you get your skills up.
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Kaladr
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Posted - 2006.01.25 00:16:00 -
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Jaspet sucks 
Go for Hemorphite, Hedbergite
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Sonreir
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Posted - 2006.01.25 08:48:00 -
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Jaspet isn't that great, but it's still better than Kernite.
Better to go for Hedbergite or Hemorphite; both of which can be found in some 0.4 systems.
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Dionyssis Kontominas
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Posted - 2006.01.25 10:53:00 -
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Hello,
sorry for extending your Question but do you or anybody else know if Jaspet can be found in a high sec System (ie 0.5, 0.6 etc), or it's only 0.4 and less.
TIA
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.01.25 11:06:00 -
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Jaspet is only found in 0.4 and below. Kernite is found in 0.7 and below if you look at true system security. If you look at in game system security, then kernite can be found in 0.9 and below. I have only ever seen kernite in a single 0.9 mind you, though all my time of playing.
Jaspet mining is not worth it since isogen from kertnite is far higher than it should me. Thus kernite is more profitable than jaspet.
Hemo is approx 10% more profitable at todays prices than kernite at todays prices, but you have to facter in the risk and hauling time, so Hemo is also a loser. You find this in 0.3 and below.
Hed is about 25% more profitable at todays prices than kernite, but since this is only available in 0.2 and below (i have only ever seen it in 0.1 and below) I would factor in hauling time and piracy, so its a waste.
As for 0.0 ores, such as crokite, you can make something like half a million isk a minute mining those, so if you are going to risk your ass, go the whole way!
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Dionyssis Kontominas
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Posted - 2006.01.25 11:30:00 -
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Thanks for your reply. My problem is to find Ore to get Zydrine. As i don't want to go low sec since got podded 3 times the last 3 days and i don't want to buy it because of extraordinary prices, there is no solution for me.
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Sonreir
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Posted - 2006.01.25 11:39:00 -
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Few corrections here guys and gals:
1.) Jaspet can be found in some 0.5 systems. Just like every now again again you come across a 0.7 system with Omber or Kernite.
2.) Jaspet is worth more than Kernite. Maths to prove it:
Kernite stats:
386 Trit pp (per portion)
773 Mex pp
386 Iso pp
1.2m3 pu (per unit)
400 upp (units per portion)
Jaspet has:
256 Trit pp
259 Pye pp
518 Mex pp
259 Nox pp
8 Zyd pp
2.0m3 pu
500 upp
Lets assume 1000m3 per minute mining rate to make the math easy.
At the end of one minute we have 833 Kernite and 500 Jaspet.
That's 2.0825 portions of Kernite and 1 potion of Jaspet.
Take those numbers and multiply them by the amount of each mineral in a portion for each ore type.
We get 803.845 Trit, 1609.7725 Mex, and 803.845 Iso for Kernite. 256 Trit, 259 Pye, 518 Mex, 259 Nox, and 8 Zyd for Jaspet.
Assume the following prices:
1.8 ISK pu Trit
5.5 ISK pu Pye
14 ISK pu Mex
110 ISK pu Iso
310 ISK pu Nox
4400 ISK pu Zyd
So that's 112,406.686 ISK for our Kernite per minute and 124,599.3 ISK per minute for Jaspet. Not much of a difference, but Jaspet is still worth more.
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.01.25 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 25/01/2006 12:08:47
 Originally by: Sonreir
Few corrections here guys and gals:
1.) Jaspet can be found in some 0.5 systems. Just like every now again again you come across a 0.7 system with Omber or Kernite.
2.) Jaspet is worth more than Kernite. Maths to prove it:
Kernite stats:
386 Trit pp (per portion)
773 Mex pp
386 Iso pp
1.2m3 pu (per unit)
400 upp (units per portion)
Jaspet has:
256 Trit pp
259 Pye pp
518 Mex pp
259 Nox pp
8 Zyd pp
2.0m3 pu
500 upp
Lets assume 1000m3 per minute mining rate to make the math easy.
At the end of one minute we have 833 Kernite and 500 Jaspet.
That's 2.0825 portions of Kernite and 1 potion of Jaspet.
Take those numbers and multiply them by the amount of each mineral in a portion for each ore type.
We get 803.845 Trit, 1609.7725 Mex, and 803.845 Iso for Kernite. 256 Trit, 259 Pye, 518 Mex, 259 Nox, and 8 Zyd for Jaspet.
Assume the following prices:
1.8 ISK pu Trit
5.5 ISK pu Pye
14 ISK pu Mex
110 ISK pu Iso
310 ISK pu Nox
4400 ISK pu Zyd
So that's 112,406.686 ISK for our Kernite per minute and 124,599.3 ISK per minute for Jaspet. Not much of a difference, but Jaspet is still worth more.
In theory, if a system has 1.0 sec status and a true security of -1, you could mine crokite in 1.0 :) Yes Jasp is in systems with a true security of 0.4 or less, even if the actualy security showin ingame is 0.5+
My Mistake. I did not relise that Zyd was selling for 4400 now, almost 1000 more than a couple weeks ago. The Mex from sells at 16 to NPC's such as, for example, Ammar Navy, so I factored this as being a bit higher.
The Intresting thing, is that 2 weeks ago kernite was more profitable due to iso being something like 130pu+, now Jasp is more profitable. Is it enough to convince people to mine jasp insted of kernite (allowing time for hauling and hiding from pirates) ?
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Sonreir
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Posted - 2006.01.25 13:39:00 -
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Probably not. That's why I spent my time mining Kernite. :P
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Tsual
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Posted - 2006.01.25 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
In theory, if a system has 1.0 sec status and a true security of -1, you could mine crokite in 1.0 :) Yes Jasp is in systems with a true security of 0.4 or less, even if the actualy security showin ingame is 0.5+
Me wonders about true security and how to find out about it....
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Plystrain Farnas
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Posted - 2006.01.25 19:54:00 -
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http://pvp.dk/evesys.php to find true sec rating
As a general rule of thumb, the roids go alphabeticaly, in terms of value, with the one exception of mercoxit.
SO Jaspet should in theroy be better than, Kernite.
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SunSzu
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Posted - 2006.01.26 00:09:00 -
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Hehe, the alphabet thing is cool. I would never have thought of that. :)
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.01.26 00:55:00 -
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Spodumain is also out of kilter with the alphabetical values, but who mines the stuff anyway.
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Max Hardcase
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Posted - 2006.01.26 12:27:00 -
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I think the devs made a mistake when they designed spodumain. That or they drank too much firewater....
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Mr Gimlet
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Posted - 2006.01.26 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Plystrain Farnas
http://pvp.dk/evesys.php to find true sec rating
I have played this game a long time and I have never heard of this 
Wots it all about then, or am i being a bit of a dullard
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Zilulil
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Posted - 2006.01.27 03:07:00 -
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I hate to jack your thread but i have a question. I hear people talk about ninja mining in low sec. My guess is it is getting into a mining frig and grabbing a load and running. Am i correct?
Originally by: Tuxford
when I standard tech 1 item and a basic item love eachother very much...
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Sonreir
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Posted - 2006.01.27 12:06:00 -
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Well you've got the idea right, but a frig would make a bad ninja-miner. Poor cargo hold. Most people I know use barges. Basically, you mine a belt until pirates or NPCs show up then you warp out and find a new belt. If/when you get a full cargo hold, bring your ore to a station or a safe spot with secure containers.
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Asarah
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Posted - 2006.01.27 14:29:00 -
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Quick guide to Ninja mining:
1) Use a shuttle to insta the densest concentration of high end ore in each belt (make sure you're path back to the station is clear), then insta the station from each belt.
2) Get a good ninja miner, you'll want a ship that has a big cargo hold, decent toughness and good accelleration to get out at a moments notice. The ability to run and the size of the cargo hold are more important than ore/s in ninja mining. I would reccomend the Exequror, 4 modulated deep cores and a 1500 m/3 cargo hold, good acceleration, and 10 times as tough as a barge.
3) Warp in, start locking the roid, while your sensors work align to the station and stop, blast roid(s) till the hold is full and then insta to station, dump load and insta back, rinse repeat.
Good money for very little risk, you can even fit a WCS or two but you'll be cutting down on your Xpanders.
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Arkanor
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Posted - 2006.01.27 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Asarah
Quick guide to Ninja mining:
1) Use a shuttle to insta the densest concentration of high end ore in each belt (make sure you're path back to the station is clear), then insta the station from each belt.
2) Get a good ninja miner, you'll want a ship that has a big cargo hold, decent toughness and good accelleration to get out at a moments notice. The ability to run and the size of the cargo hold are more important than ore/s in ninja mining. I would reccomend the Exequror, 4 modulated deep cores and a 1500 m/3 cargo hold, good acceleration, and 10 times as tough as a barge.
3) Warp in, start locking the roid, while your sensors work align to the station and stop, blast roid(s) till the hold is full and then insta to station, dump load and insta back, rinse repeat.
Good money for very little risk, you can even fit a WCS or two but you'll be cutting down on your Xpanders.
I use an Exequror for just that reason in a 0.3, thinking about moving though, Jaspet isn't as profitable as I had hoped.
WarpCore stabilizers aren't needed really if you set your instas and monitor the local channel closely, can't hurt though.
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Zilulil
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Posted - 2006.01.28 05:45:00 -
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So is this more profitable then Mining Rich Plag and Golden/Silvery Omber in secure space in a Retriever?
Originally by: Tuxford
when I standard tech 1 item and a basic item love eachother very much...
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.01.28 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zilulil
So is this more profitable then Mining Rich Plag and Golden/Silvery Omber in secure space in a Retriever?
Not unless you're heading into 0.0 to bag some gneiss or something.
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Asarah
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Posted - 2006.01.28 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Zilulil
So is this more profitable then Mining Rich Plag and Golden/Silvery Omber in secure space in a Retriever?
Omber and Kern are generally cash cows short of the zyd and meg loaded ores. I wouldn't go out of my way to Ninja mine Jasp or Hem, but I already operate out of .2 and being a producer and factoring for zyd prices of late, ninja mining jasp for zyd saves me money.
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Lurtz
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Posted - 2006.02.01 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Plystrain Farnas
http://pvp.dk/evesys.php to find true sec rating
As a general rule of thumb, the roids go alphabeticaly, in terms of value, with the one exception of mercoxit.
Alpha by rarity, not nec. value. There are 2 exceptions, Spodumain is the other.
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