no if someone is doing an anomaly you dont need probes to find him. in some cases you may need to scan him down but not always. if you allow them to safe E-warp its always needed to scan him. its not fair to make an exception.

and the ammount of EHP doesnt mean **** and is not relevant IMHO the fact that you can fake an DC to get out of bastion mode IS

I think you've missed the point on two accounts here. When the game goes into e-warp (or tries and fails) everything is shut off. So you stop repping, but the rats are still shooting you. If you crash or DC, you're screwed. You aren't repping, and soon your high resist bonus is gone, and you aren't warping away, you're still there getting shot.

If people throw a logoffski to avoid being ganked they can still be caught in space, if you probed them to find them in the first place you can probe them again, as you say, a marauder isn't hard to find.

There's no reason for the ship to remain in place, especially after all modules have been deactivated by the game, capitals with a similar feature have the EHP to survive the rats shooting them, marauders don't. Buffing the EHP is not the issue, allowing the e-warp to go off is.

The stupidity remains because people seem to have this idea in their head that e-warping means you escape and can't be touched at all, despite the fact it's no different to any other ship that pulls the same attempt and logs off, they're still somewhere else in space for 5 minutes, and you can still find them. These people have yet to make a convincing argument as to why the Marauder should be exempt from this.

In short, the ship does not trigger e-warp on DC even when Bastion cycle has finished naturally.

I agree with OP, this is a problem

Kora Ethereal dont you have some mails to go post on the rule violation thread?

And how is this different to any other subcap ship, including expensive fit pirate ships?

The fact it will never attempt an e-warp even after the Bastion module has been switched off at the end of its cycle is a problem.


Also your scenario is false, a ship isn't saved. If the fleet primaries you and you're pointed/scrammed you don't e-warp, if they haven't scrammed you, you're still in space and they've 5 minutes to probe you down and prolong your timer.

I've yet to hear a logical argument as to why this shouldn't be resolved in some form or other. No really, none.

Right.

My non EVE playing Nephew managed to understand the problem and came to the understanding that while capital ships can survive being stuck in space with rats on a disconnect due to large amounts of EHP, a Marauder can't. Therefore it's unfair to compare the two as they are apples and oranges.

He also understands that it's the only subcap that can get stuck due to non disruptor/scram means, and that when you disconnect, all modules are switched off by the game, you have no means of boosting your survival chances beyond hoping you can log back in before the rats eat you.

He also understands that logoffski attempts does not make you invincible and that if you used this trick to avoid other players, you can still be probed down and killed, like any other sub capital.


The fact he can understand that and you can't, means you're either trolling or you're really just thick. The fact that you're dismissing things as irrelevant because they don't suit your argument means that the answer is a likely combination of both.

you know nothing about capitals, eve or life for that matter. things are not always fair and even if it was unfair (which it isn't) if you look at the threat capitals face then you would come to the conclusion that they too melt very fast in a lot of DC situations.

but again its not relevant the only thing they have in common is the bastion/siege/triage module and that module has its ups and downs. if you talk about unfair then propose that all those modules immobilize you but because they might die at a DC there must be a exception on a rule. that sir is unfair.

stating that they always have to probe a ship down so its ok to safe ewarp is unfair, because that is not by definition the case and that is a fact. if i am in a anomaly i can be found by warping to anomalies pretty quick when you combine dscan if it e-warps that possibility isn't there.

you could say i want the ship to change or the bonuses to change so they have better chance at surviving a DC without making them overpowered. but stating that this ship type with a immobilize module should be excluded in the big disadvantage while keeping the advantages is a bunch of BS.

if you don't like it fine don't fly it, or fly the ship without bastion module

i realy hope you have an better attitude in real life...

So you think it's totally ok that Marauders become the only subcap ship that sits in a site with all mods off & dies on a DC when NOT pointed?
Literally, the ONLY subcap ship that has this issue.
If you worry about abuses, then make it Ewarp at the end of Bastion, that's good enough. There is still a 5 minute PvE timer for you to probe them down. If you can't get them in that time, you wouldn't have probed them down before they could warp safely while connected.

Right.

My non EVE playing Nephew managed to understand the problem and came to the understanding that while capital ships can survive being stuck in space with rats on a disconnect due to large amounts of EHP, a Marauder can't. Therefore it's unfair to compare the two as they are apples and oranges.

He also understands that it's the only subcap that can get stuck due to non disruptor/scram means, and that when you disconnect, all modules are switched off by the game, you have no means of boosting your survival chances beyond hoping you can log back in before the rats eat you.

He also understands that logoffski attempts does not make you invincible and that if you used this trick to avoid other players, you can still be probed down and killed, like any other sub capital.


The fact he can understand that and you can't, means you're either trolling or you're really just thick. The fact that you're dismissing things as irrelevant because they don't suit your argument means that the answer is a likely combination of both.

The solution could be to implement mechanic that would initiate warp when bastion cycles out. While bastion is active other active mods could keep cycling. This could also apply to caps. DC, intentional or not, wouldn't do anything player himself couldn't do if he was online.

no, because it already works as intended. the fact that mods go off is to counter abuse so you cant fake a DC to keep tanking till timer runs out and you dissapear. learn to live with the consequences or dont use the bastion/marauder.

If you DC with bastion and you cannot log back in right away then your prob going to die. working as intended. if you think the risk is too high don't use bastion.

Of course it doesn't deactivate when you DC. That would mean you could just alt-f4 every time you got into ****.

Working as itended

Soo, don't use Marauder to avoid the issue?
Cause the only way you're flying a Marauder anymore is with bastion...




Oh, so they shouldn't do what every other sub-cap in the game does?
I guess it is as intended.

Uhh, not sure you're aware of this, but if you dc, your ship warps away if you're not scrambled.
These ships have to de able to drop bastion and warp, as they do not have the EHP to tank without modules.

If you're scrambled/disrupted you wouldn't be able to warp still, which is as intended

Same for the Bastion, your ship will be stuck in space for 60 seconds, with reps off, until the 60 seconds then your ship warps off, like cyno ships.

Its_That_Simple

Agree with OP.

Marauder should emergency warp after DC when Bastion module has finished its regular cycle.

Bastion module should NOT deactivate on DC for emergency warp unless cycle is completed.

I hate bastion as well, but got to agree on this one, ONCE and only ONCE the Bastion module cycle ends, the ship should do an Ewarp, not sit there doing nothing.

... or a ship with a cyno or covert cyno?