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Martin Cromack
Ruffnecks of the North
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:11:00 -
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I was thinking about the effect the warp speed changes may have on Faction Warfare.
It might now be possible to get a tackle on someone in a plex, engage with them and have a fleet waiting in another system who can get to you nice and quickly, even before the fight is over. Also I wonder if the warp speed will effect accelleration gates too.
Might be a slight nerf to the farmers??
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:53:00 -
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I think that acceleration gate warp speeds are fixed, rather than dependent on ship warp speed.
I do think that for a while at least you'll see EAFs / Inty gangs by the bucketload. The sheer deployment speed and ability to lock things down so well is hard to ignore. That does, however, mean that paradoxically T1 / faction frigs become a bit more important, as you'll see more focus on EWAR gangs in Small / Mediums / Gates.
Hyenas are a game changer for small gang warfare though, even moreso than the Sentinel.
As far as counters, look for more fast locking alpha boats. Artillery and railgun platforms for the win, IMO. Our Arty Thrasher fleets will be second only to our Derptron Hordes. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:54:00 -
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Stealth nerf to farmers. |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile.
Imperial Outlaws.
1368
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:43:00 -
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You will have alot less time to decide if you want to engage or run. |
Uppsy Daisy
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.09 19:08:00 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:Stealth nerf to farmers.
Or not.
Now they have some nice new faction Sisters of Eve Cloaky ships to use as well as stealth bombers..
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JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.10.09 20:04:00 -
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Considering that the warp tunnel for a FW plex is rather short, I'd say that the acceleration advantage won't matter. Run the numbers if you choose.
QCATS is Recruiting: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Pixel Navigators
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Posted - 2013.10.09 20:30:00 -
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JAF Anders wrote:Considering that the warp tunnel for a FW plex is rather short, I'd say that the acceleration advantage won't matter. Run the numbers if you choose.
I believe the issue is that a gang of frigates in the next system can now jump in and warp to the acceleration gate in half the time it used to take.
Look forward to more frigate bait ganks after this |
Merely Runaway
The Flowing Penguins
Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2013.10.09 21:15:00 -
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Unless they are fleeted, say goodbye to large ships in lowsec. |
Zappity
Kurved Space
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:07:00 -
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Slight nerf to farmers just because you will be visible on d-scan for a few seconds less.
What could be interesting is fitting a rig to increase your warp speed. Maybe you could catch the farmers that scoot from the Novice to the Small as soon as you land on grid. We'll see.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Mycael
Self-Service Camping
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Posted - 2013.10.11 07:02:00 -
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Plexing mediums solo in a cruiser. Good luck with that. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
OLD MAN GANG
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Posted - 2013.10.11 08:17:00 -
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we did some testing and using interceptor as tackler you can make 25 au warp, activate plex gate and go in and tackle enemy in about 20 sec.
Current time for such operation is more than minute.
So yes, new faster gank tactics may be possible |
Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin
Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:05:00 -
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Those SOE ships + eaf and inty changes are going to completely **** with the FW meta for a while. I for one will be flying nothing expensive till the meta sorts itself out after a few months and I work out whats actually good and what's just fear of the unknown.
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Hrett
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.10.11 13:58:00 -
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Seems like they are going to have to increase warp core strength for larger ships if we ever want to see Battleships anymore.
I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Pixel Navigators
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:23:00 -
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Mycael wrote:Plexing mediums solo in a cruiser. Good luck with that.
Quite a few cruisers are very strong against frigates, this just means that cruisers that are very good against other cruisers but bad against frigates will become less viable.
Wouldn't be of particular concern in an Omen/Stabber/Caracal/Rail Thorax sitting at range though. |
Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin
Amarrian Commandos
318
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:20:00 -
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Someone enters local, you align, dscan shows inty, you warp immediately. Simples. There is a chance that in a short warp an inty may get you between dscans but that's going to be quite a fluke circumstance.
Daytrip pew in a wormhole will be fun. Scan hole down, find pve dude running a site, warp to him and point him before he knows wtf is happening.
Again, not 'that' easy but pretty close to it.
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Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin
Amarrian Commandos
318
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:21:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:we did some testing and using interceptor as tackler you can make 25 au warp, activate plex gate and go in and tackle enemy in about 20 sec.
Current time for such operation is more than minute.
So yes, new faster gank tactics may be possible
sorry for double post, in that circumstance a dscan will pick you up and GTFO. The funny moments will be the plexes near gates..... warp to plex, engage gate and point in sub 5-10 seconds? Probably possible. Anyone able to test this?
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Zeeth Bru
Scurvy Sucks
Monkeys with Guns.
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:10:00 -
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My response to the change:
"THE DERPTRONS, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE, THEY'RE IN MY RACOON WOUNDS! AAAAAAAAAHHHGAWRGLAWGRL"
Tl;dr: I'm okay with this. |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.10.11 18:33:00 -
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Zeeth Bru wrote:My response to the change:
"THE DERPTRONS, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE, THEY'RE IN MY RACOON WOUNDS! AAAAAAAAAHHHGAWRGLAWGRL"
Tl;dr: I'm okay with this.
Yeah, but swapping out resist rigs for HSVO rigs doubles the cost of our derptrons....
... and makes them 60% faster in warp.
Totally worth it. |
Zeeth Bru
Scurvy Sucks
Monkeys with Guns.
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Posted - 2013.10.11 19:19:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Zeeth Bru wrote:My response to the change:
"THE DERPTRONS, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE, THEY'RE IN MY RACOON WOUNDS! AAAAAAAAAHHHGAWRGLAWGRL"
Tl;dr: I'm okay with this. Yeah, but swapping out resist rigs for HSVO rigs doubles the cost of our derptrons.... ... and makes them 60% faster in warp. Totally worth it.
Oh noes! Not a 2-4 million isk derptron!
Bahahaha, TOTALLY worth it! |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
3402
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Posted - 2013.10.12 19:39:00 -
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Quote:New warp acceleration speed to effect FW tactics?
*twiddles finger*
*makes a malicious smile*
Indeed... it will...
MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
*lightning streaks across the sky*
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.10.12 19:46:00 -
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I see even further use of interceptors and other fast warp ships than before. MIxed gangs might be harder to coordinate (but I don't know the specifics of the changes, just the general stuff I've read) |
Catherine Woodville
In Exile.
Imperial Outlaws.
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Posted - 2013.10.12 21:14:00 -
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Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:Someone enters local, you align, dscan shows inty, you warp immediately. Simples. There is a chance that in a short warp an inty may get you between dscans but that's going to be quite a fluke circumstance.
Daytrip pew in a wormhole will be fun. Scan hole down, find pve dude running a site, warp to him and point him before he knows wtf is happening.
Again, not 'that' easy but pretty close to it.
This. Over time I don't think you will see that many more in FW. They are intended as fleet ships. The EAFs may look overpowered in a 1vs1 but if you are flying solo, as is the case with Sentinels when in a turret ship now, as soon as you see one you warp. It will be the same after Rubicon and inties will just be added to the list. Outside of fleet engagements I think people will just avoid them. The same thing happened with Hookbills. At first everyone flew one. Then people realised they were overpowered and wouldn't engage. Now I only see them rarely.
The biggest threat these inties pose is to null sec miners and mission runners. Nullified, capable of entering warp very quickly and then taking seconds to cross systems means you will have very little time to react. I'd be putting the shinies away for a bit as I can see them being used in T3 gangs constantly. |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.10.12 21:22:00 -
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The new warp speeds are a stealth nerf to FW farmers.
The new SOE ships are a stealth buff to FW farmers (at least those with decent skills to fly them. )
So it's a wash out.
The warp speed effects is also a stealth nerf to slow armor gangs and a slight buff to shield skirmishing gangs.
High Five. Yeah!
C'est La Eve . |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.10.13 02:40:00 -
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The warp change will change pvp in general
A lot.
Wont' really stop farmers though since they are cloaky and stabbed.
BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.13 22:21:00 -
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The new meta is going to be bait battleships backed up by swarms of HVO-rigged logi frigates. |
GavinGoodrich
1st MC
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Posted - 2013.10.14 17:08:00 -
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I CANT WAIT!
The problem with eve pvp in a nutshell is: risk adversion and a need to keep KB stats up combined with things that just take too long. Mainly the warps.
I can't wait to come back for rubicon. So much more stuff is gonna die, including my own stuff.. CANNOT WAIT.
Risk adversion sucks, bring on the explosions, and faster/more frequent pvp! |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
476
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:32:00 -
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People will run away from me faster...joy
http://thewaysofthemew.blogspot.com
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Zarnak Wulf
In Exile.
Imperial Outlaws.
1387
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Posted - 2013.10.19 00:11:00 -
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It will push people further into only flying small ships. Right now you can take out a kitey cruiser and have fun getting fights in medium plexes. Swarm of frigates? Align to a celestial and try to pick some off before warping out. When you land align and warp elsewhere - usually entering warp as said swarm lands. That won't be the case after Nov 19. I personally probably will stick to dessies unless I'm in a group. |
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.22 16:30:00 -
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Because Kitsune.
Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
2569
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:14:00 -
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Martin Cromack wrote:Also I wonder if the warp speed will effect accelleration gates too.
As per my testing on Sisi, it does. Jumping into a small plex with an interceptor to insta-point what's in there is the new black.
ShahFluffers wrote:Quote:New warp acceleration speed to effect FW tactics? *twiddles finger* *makes a malicious smile* Indeed... it will... MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... *lightning streaks across the sky*
Sounds good to me. Claw+Taranis gangs everywhere.
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